Trading Flynn

[horaceworthy]

We had a great opportunity to use a large amount of raw cap space. We moved Jefferson for cap space. What became of it?

Beasley, Darko, and Ridnour. All of whom are more valuable than Flynn and Pekovic.

Beasley and Darko were already in fold when Jefferson was traded. The room Jefferson opened up was used on Ridnour, Tolliver, and taking on Curry's contract in order to get Randolph.

[revprodeji]

Are we even under the cap to sign a vet role player? If we could get a vet that would contribute to the 9-man rotation then of course you make this trade. My understanding is that the salary cap situation has lost its flexibility and we are just going to use it to resign the young guys we have now.

Kahn, please go away!!

[horaceworthy]

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreads ... SXc&gid=19

Wyn says there's about $16M in cap, but then there's the Rubio caphold (about 3M), the Wolves pick (about 4-5M), and the Memphis pick (about 1.5M).

So about $6.5M in flexibility? I think I'm missing something, though, so if a bigger cap geek like shrink could chime in that would help.

[Yes We Kahn]

Yeah I was just looking at those numbers as well. I would be very surprised if we didn't have some cap room.

[revprodeji]

I thought we had a discussion already about the "myth" of cap space?

[dunkonu21]

I really want Xavier Henry as our starting SG. I'm all about mismatches, however it'd be awesome to have a more traditional SG and have Wes be 6th man.

Flynn and 2nd rounder for Xavier Henry?

Rubio/Ridnour
Henry/Wes
Beasley/Wes
Love/Pekovic
Darko/Kristic

Trade Webster and Randolph for Nenad Kristic

[shrink]

Wyn says there's about $16M in cap, but then there's the Rubio caphold (about 3M), the Wolves pick (about 4-5M), and the Memphis pick (about 1.5M).

So about $6.5M in flexibility? I think I'm missing something, though, so if a bigger cap geek like shrink could chime in that would help.

I think you have it all, and thanks for pointing out how the cap space allowed us to get Randolph without giving up any assets. The only thing I'd mention is the timing, which I think goes like:

Rubio's cap hold would be at $2.9 mil, but it's not in place right now. However, if we sign him before May 31, we'll undoubtedly give him the standard 20% raise, so that would be $3.5 mil off the cap.

Picks don't have cap holds now, or even after Tuesday's lottery. They bite into the cap when they become actual signed players after the draft. The MEM pick's hold is $1.17 mil, and our pick would be $3.2-$4.42 mil, depending on where we land (#4-#1). And again, our pick, and probably the MEM one, would be offered a 20% bonus. I think it's likely we trade at least one of these picks.

However, like many of these discussions, it all may be a moot point, since we don't know what will happen under the next CBA. Will the league lower the lux line? Will there even BE a lux line? I'm trying to remain patient before I do another geeky bellyflop into the lux pool this summer.

[revprodeji]

Sounds good to me. I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifications.

Establishing a solid 9 man rotation with consistent roles needs to be a priority this summer. A lot of that has to do with coaching, but we need to tweek some things. Too many players of a similar skill level that all need minutes to develop. Trimming the fat could be a big plus.

1.) Is Ridnour content with 20-25 min off the bench developing Niño Jesús.
2.) How do we use both Webster and Johnson properly. (I like both. Think a healthy Webster could be a very good 6th man)
3.) What do we have in Anthony Randolph.

[the_bruce]

Flynn, Tolliver, Ridnour for Calderon?

Flynn - meh
Ridnour - meh
Calderon - double meh
Tolliver - opens up minutes for randolph only reason I'd do it

[[RCG]]

Flynn, Tolliver, Ridnour for Calderon?

Flynn - meh
Ridnour - meh
Calderon - double meh
Tolliver - opens up minutes for randolph only reason I'd do it

Heck no.

[revprodeji]

That is terrible.

[younggunsmn]

Wyn says there's about $16M in cap, but then there's the Rubio caphold (about 3M), the Wolves pick (about 4-5M), and the Memphis pick (about 1.5M).

So about $6.5M in flexibility? I think I'm missing something, though, so if a bigger cap geek like shrink could chime in that would help.

I think you have it all, and thanks for pointing out how the cap space allowed us to get Randolph without giving up any assets. The only thing I'd mention is the timing, which I think goes like:

Rubio's cap hold would be at $2.9 mil, but it's not in place right now. However, if we sign him before May 31, we'll undoubtedly give him the standard 20% raise, so that would be $3.5 mil off the cap.

Picks don't have cap holds now, or even after Tuesday's lottery. They bite into the cap when they become actual signed players after the draft. The MEM pick's hold is $1.17 mil, and our pick would be $3.2-$4.42 mil, depending on where we land (#4-#1). And again, our pick, and probably the MEM one, would be offered a 20% bonus. I think it's likely we trade at least one of these picks.

However, like many of these discussions, it all may be a moot point, since we don't know what will happen under the next CBA. Will the league lower the lux line? Will there even BE a lux line? I'm trying to remain patient before I do another geeky bellyflop into the lux pool this summer.

Picks have cap holds for the teams that own their rights starting on the first day of the new NBA year (July 1). This hold does not count in trades though (unsigned picks still count as zero for salary-matching purposes). Rubio's cap hold went back on the books on the day after the last regualr season game was played and will stay on our books until the first game of next season is played, or he is signed. But for trade purposes his salary still counts as zero in a salary-match, which is kind of weird because trading him technically opens up cap room for us, but we can't use him to match salary with another team in a trade. So trading a cap hold player is useful (If it gets you under the cap to make a deal work), but useless for 125% matching purposes.

[younggunsmn]

What exactly will cap space do for us?

We had a great opportunity to use a large amount of raw cap space. We moved Jefferson for cap space. What became of it?

Anthony Randolph and the dried flaky husk of Eddy Carry's career.

Depending on whether Rubio's cap hold is back on or not (I think he signs by draft day anyway so it's a moot point) we're at 3.8 mil of 2011 cap left or just over 1 mil.


With our only tradeable deals all small deals it is going to be really hard to salary match a big contract on draft day, and trading to be consummated with cap space later (ala kirk hinrich to wiz last year) is going to be next to impossible with the lockout looming and CBA rules/Cap in complete limbo.

we have flynn, lazar, wayne, and tolliver to use essentially as 2012 expirings on draft day.
Those 4 deals amount to about 7.5 million.
Then you throw in one of Darko/Pek and you get to 11.8 million. Under that scenario we could take back about 14.75 million in salary (2010-11 $).

Enough to take back Iggy, Bogut, Ellis, or Bynum (but a lot of "assets" to give up and a lot of guaranteed 2012 contracts for another team to take on).

[younggunsmn]

Back to the subject, I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) to see Kahn deal him straight up for cap space to a team with a trade exception or cap space leftover looking for a reclaimation project. His inability to get anything for him at the deadline despite heavy shopping does not bode well for him. He's been the worst defensive PG in the league now 2 years running.