Flynn Traded to HOU

[Peezo]

I will be the lone person to defend Kahn....

even though he trades alot of assets he doesn't really give horrible contracts to players and he basically fills the team with guys on rookie contracts or takes on old vet contracts to get draft picks.

Realistically, the Timberwolves still need a few more seasons to let the older teams in the West age before they will ever be able to compete in the playoffs. Them being good right now makes little sense. He turned worthless Darko and misguided Beasley into actual assets. They will not be on the team when the Wolves get good, but they will net more than what Kahn gave up to get them.

Basically,let the Suns regress post Nash, let the Lakers get older, see the Spurs slowly start to creep towards the lottery the next few seasons. Those things need to happen before Kahn really starts putting the real pieces together. Right now he is getting a ton of guys for cheap that could pay off big. Granted he does make some weird moves but I think their is a method this madness somewhere in where he will find the right group of players that will click and make the Wolves competitive for years to come.

If the Wolves play their cards right and be patient, they can be a top 3 team in the West by 2013-2014 along with OKC and Memphis. Kahn is stockpiling talent to beat the Golden States and LA Clippers/Rockets type teams in the standings and getting plenty of young legs/shooters/rebounders to outplay the Mavericks in the 2nd round when they start to fully regress by 2013-2014.

There are other Kahn apologists around here, you're not the only one. I count myself in the bunch, but I think even those of us who like DK agree that the best score you could give him so far is an incomplete. His whole tenure has really been trying to clean up old messes and build for the future. His teams haven't accomplished anything and they have actually regressed. I am believer in most of what he has done. I don't know if he has set us up to be a top three time in the West though, because he has missed a few times too. I always defended his reasoning for taking Flynn instead of Curry, but as of this past season it is indefensible. Going forward that decision will continue to hurt us. So you can defend him, but don't over-credit him either.

[Freddy Rubio]

This move to me seems more like a salary dump and Flynn has more value around the league than this. For a team that still needs so much more right now I do not see this as a good deal in my opinion.

[Wingman]

Basically what I see from these deals is that we used the 20th pick in the draft to dump Jonny's salary and attain a pick that will be around 20 in what will hopefully be a stronger class. I don't put any stock in future 2nds and couldn't care less about the cash. Overall, I like it.

[NewWolvesOrder]

This a meh trade overall, not great not bad. Bottom like none of Flynn, #20 pick or that future pick make us a contender. They are irrelevent. I don't want to rip or praise him for this move. He solved some money issues so good for him and Taylor.

[Klomp]

"Houston is a great situation for me with a coach like Kevin McHale, who's going to let us play," Flynn told the Rockets' website Friday after his introductory news conference. "We're going to run pick-and-rolls. We're going to get up and down the floor. And that's Jonny Flynn's game. That's what everyone knows me from: getting out on the break, creating for others. I can't wait to get back to being the real Jonny Flynn.

"This fits me well perfectly. In the triangle offense, you really don't need a point guard to run the offense. You pass the ball and you go to the corner and wait for it to come back to you. You're not in there making plays. ... It's not a system for young guys wanting to get out and run."

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/124525868.html

[Steve_Holiday]

Jonny Flynn will have to continue speaking about himself in the third person, because in a year or two, no one will be mentioning his name outside of Greece or Israel.

[Steve_Holiday]

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You know, I give up. When dumping your 22 year old 10th pick is a win at all cost, I give.

It seems like there are quite a few posters here who don't understand the concept of a sunk cost.

[younggunsmn]

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You know, I give up. When dumping your 22 year old 10th pick is a win at all cost, I give.

It seems like there are quite a few posters here who don't understand the concept of a sunk cost.

Exactly. Flynn being drafted 6th happened 2 years ago. His value has plummeted since then. He probably should have been drafted in the late teens, early twenties. But blaming Kahn for that in 2011 is dealing in the past (2009). There was no reasonable scenario where Jonny ever would regain anything close to 6th pick trade value, especially with him buried behind Luke and Ricky.

I normally like Brooklyn Bulls takes. I just think not being local he doesn't realized how badly Jonny has sucked the past couple years. The offensive struggles are obvious, but the defensive ones are worse. He has been pretty much the worst defensive PG in the league the past couple of years, and was routinely destroyed by guys like Patty Mills. Matador D doesn't even begin to describe it.

With that said his trade value was very low. basically it was all getting teams to buy that he still has potential and blame Rambis/the triangle/the hip while forgetting the size/length/complete lack of court vision/inability to defend a P/R.

Should Rambis have traded him last season to move up to 10 and take George/henry? Yes. Would Jonny have passed the physical with his hip issues? Probably not.

So look at Jonny's ACTUAL value and look at what Kahn did on Thursday.

This is how I break down the trade:
Jonny Flynn for Brad MIller & Memphis 2013 1st.

20 for 23 & 38.

38 and future 2nd for mucho $.
(original was 38 for houston 2012 2nd if 31-40 and 1.5 mil according to Rockets beat writer).
The amended deal with us sending a 2nd to Hou has to be because we got a ton more cash.
I'm assuming 3 million or more total.

So we traded Jonny for an Insured, essentially expiring contract and a future first likely to be in the late teens/early twenties. I say that's a very good deal at this point.