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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#21 » by The J Rocka » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:04 pm

I think I would rather keep Beasley and go after Afflalo, a wing that can defend. I'm not entirely opposed to a Beasley-Thorton swap, if this was our only realistic option to grab a solid young SG.
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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#22 » by Rashoismydad » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:41 pm

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Rashoismydad wrote:I remember people scoffing at trade proposals for another high volume, inefficient scorer who doesnt play defense (Jefferson). I bet those deals would look pretty damn good now, and this will be no different.


How will this be different when we get another high volume, inefficient scorer back in this deal?


I guess I am not saying we jump at the chance to trade him for Thornton, just saying it would be much better to come away with Thornton now than what we will eventually get for Beasley (nothing). Hes still more efficient than Beasley and fits a positional need (although I think were ok @ 2) while clearing a bit of a logjam. If you think we are going to get a player better than thornton for Beasley, you are kidding yourselves.

I suggested a lot of deals for Jefferson along these lines. Ones where we didnt rape the other team (so our homer fans hated them) but when compared against what we actually got would have been great deals. We will have a bunch of people say no way to a deal like this, then in a year when Beasley is gone for nothing will look pretty foolish.
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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#23 » by [RCG] » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:12 am

The J Rocka wrote:I think I would rather keep Beasley and go after Afflalo, a wing that can defend. I'm not entirely opposed to a Beasley-Thorton swap, if this was our only realistic option to grab a solid young SG.


Same here. Maybe dump Pekovic and open up cap-space for Afflalo... Would solve the SG spot.
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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#24 » by Krapinsky » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:14 am

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The J Rocka wrote:I think I would rather keep Beasley and go after Afflalo, a wing that can defend. I'm not entirely opposed to a Beasley-Thorton swap, if this was our only realistic option to grab a solid young SG.


Same here. Maybe dump Pekovic and open up cap-space for Afflalo... Would solve the SG spot.

Then you have Webster, Johnson, Afflalo, Beasley, and Williams all needing time at the 2-3.
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Post#25 » by GopherIt! » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:38 am

not after we trade Johnson and Williams for Kobe.
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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#26 » by JMillott » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:36 am

I would have to see what else I could get for Beasley before i'd jump on Thorton, something is certainly up with Thorton that we don't know about.

He was talentwise and position wise exactly what the Hornets needed next to Chris Paul, David West, Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza. He was a local kid from LSU and had shown that he could do it the year before on the Hornets when Paul went down playing legit and efficient 20/4/2 basketball after the allstar break.

He then proceeds to lose the starting SG job to both Willie Green and Marco Belinelli last year with the Hornets getting murdered at SG and on the wings overall. So why is a proven young local kid with an obvious talent for scoring 20+ PPG stuck on that bench?

I'm not the worlds biggest Beasley fan obviously but in this case even i've got to wonder if the evil known is better then the evil unknown? I understand he fits a positional need and that he obviously has the offensive talent to be a 22/4/4 or better guy in terms of production but something seems wrong here.
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Post#27 » by PG24 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:29 am

shangrila wrote:Wouldn't it just be swapping one mildly inefficient no defence player for another?


Agreed. I'd rather hold on to Beasley and see what if any improvements he brings to the court this year than be locked into a brand new contract with Marcus Thornton.
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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#28 » by [RCG] » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:26 pm

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The J Rocka wrote:I think I would rather keep Beasley and go after Afflalo, a wing that can defend. I'm not entirely opposed to a Beasley-Thorton swap, if this was our only realistic option to grab a solid young SG.


Same here. Maybe dump Pekovic and open up cap-space for Afflalo... Would solve the SG spot.

Then you have Webster, Johnson, Afflalo, Beasley, and Williams all needing time at the 2-3.


I would assume Beasley could be moved. Webster not getting minutes isn't that big of a deal to me. Williams can get minutes behind Love at the 4. And injuries are bound to happen during the season. Afflalo is the best fit at the 2 spot. Johnson is a 2/3. Beasley & Williams are 3/4s. I'd rather have too much talent than not enough.
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Post#29 » by shangrila » Mon Aug 1, 2011 5:00 am

And if you have too much than none of it would get realised. They need minutes to develop.
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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#30 » by The J Rocka » Mon Aug 1, 2011 5:19 am

If it comes down to Afflalo vs. Webster for minutes, you go with Afflalo. Johnson to me will always be that solid role player, he would be a great spark off the bench. Beasley can get the majority of his minutes at SF while Williams plays more PF.


Not the best at figuring out minutes for everybody but for the depth chart something like this:

AR/Darko/Love
Love/Williams/AR
Beasley/Williams/Johnson
Afflalo/Johnson/Webster
Rubio/Ridnour/Lee

Move Pek, Ellington, possibly Webster, and DNP Hayward & Miller
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Post#31 » by Krapinsky » Mon Aug 1, 2011 5:28 pm

Afflalo may have just passed Kirk Hinrich as the most overrated player on the Wolves forum.

Afflalo only played great for a few months stuck between Billups and Melo.
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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#32 » by BeasleyTheBeast » Mon Aug 1, 2011 5:54 pm

Foye wrote:I'll keep Beasley.


this w/o thinking twice.

What is up with the Beasley hate Wolves Nation?

Seriously, Beasley is talented, he is only 22, offensive scoring wizard, and hasn't reached his ceiling.
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Post#33 » by BeasleyTheBeast » Mon Aug 1, 2011 6:00 pm

Reading what you guys have to say about Beasley,...... doesn't anyone here remember Beasley wasn't even 50% from Jan to mid March?

He was balling until he got injured and it seem like everyone forgot.

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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#34 » by BeasleyTheBeast » Mon Aug 1, 2011 6:05 pm

adding to what i said............here are some footage off Michael Beastley before he was injured 8-) .................straghit beast

btw i suggest you put the volume @ full blast and hear what the commentators say about Beasley

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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#35 » by The J Rocka » Tue Aug 2, 2011 2:31 am

Krapinsky wrote:Afflalo may have just passed Kirk Hinrich as the most overrated player on the Wolves forum.

Afflalo only played great for a few months stuck between Billups and Melo.

I like him mainly for his defense. I don't think too many are overrating him nor am I trying to. I just believe if you can get him for a solid price, look into getting him.
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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#36 » by southern wolf » Tue Aug 2, 2011 11:48 am

I'd do it. It's a close call based on pure value, but I love the fit. I want a decent SG badly.
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Re: MIN - SAC (Beasley for Thorton) 

Post#37 » by Krapinsky » Tue Aug 2, 2011 4:10 pm

Our SG was a rookie last year. Afflalo has now had four years in the league to figure it out. He essentially got to play the "Ariza/Bowen" role on the Nuggets -- hit spot open three's and play defense. However, since we don't have a Billups/Anthony or a Ginobilli/Parker/Duncan combination on our team, we need more out of our starting SG spot than a role player.

Besides, Wes should surpass Afflalo this year. If not, he's a huge bust.
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