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WOLVES @ GRIZZLIES (7PM CST) Quest for 2 games above .500

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Re: WOLVES @ GRIZZLIES (7PM CST) Quest for 2 games above .50 

Post#381 » by Dual » Thu Feb 9, 2012 3:02 pm

C.lupus wrote:Here's the way I see the team going forward:

PG: Rubio/Barea (or Ridnour)
SG: ______/Ellington/Lee
SF: Johnson/? (Williams?)
PF: Love/Williams
C: Pekovic/_______

Kahn has to get a legit SG on this team. That HAS to be priority #1. This is my biggest gripe with KAhn so far as a GM. He's done a good job filling out the PG and PF positions and getting the team financially healthy but we have zero SGs outside of Ellington, who is a backup at best and probably an 11th or 12th man ideally. i'd be fine with Johnson as the starting SF in a Bowen-type role if they get a SG that can score (Kevin Martin, OJ MAyo, etc.).


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Post#382 » by abrewbro68 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 4:00 pm

I'm confused about our coach and our fan base.

First with adelman, not one player played more than 30 minutes, and not one player was able to get more that 13 shots. That's just weird to me when supposedly there are guys on this team that can shoulder a scoring load. If that's the case, why so many touches for so many other players.

Next with the fan base. How can you guys be blaming individuals when the coaching was the reason last night because of the reasons explained above? Why not more Williams? Why not more Shots and minutes for Pek and Beasley? Makes no sense to me. I just don't know what we expect as fans if these guys are only getting 27 minutes each. Our 6th man scorer only got 27 minutes of PT last night and shot over 50% and had 13 points. I'm sorry, but if we want more production than that from Beasley or Pek or Williams, they need to play more minutes and get more shots.

Give me the 7 shots from Randolph and the 8 shots from Ridnour and work them back into the game so guys like Williams Beaz and Pek get them instead
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Post#383 » by kmgarnett21 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:01 pm

Narf wrote:Can I just point out the math?

What is our record before Ridnour was starting at SG?
What is our record after Ridnour started at SG?

The problem with Ridnour the last 2 games is his shot broke. If he shoots 4-8 instead of 1-8 we win this game.


That has more to do with Rubio starting and playing more minutes instead of Ridnour starting a different position.
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Post#384 » by kmgarnett21 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:06 pm

Dual wrote:again i like what i saw from Ellington, good D and intensity and we know he can shoot. For me right now he should be our startint SG.
Webster looks pretty bad right now, i guess he will need more games to be competitive.
Beasley is a cancer, a black hole... he has the tools but he doesnt have the IQ :(
It was refreshing watch Barea doing good things finally, i hope he can be the spark of the bench we need.


I've been begging for Ellington getting more playing time. I don't get why he's been on the bench so much the last couple of weeks. He's played the best defense on opposing SGs and he's usually hit as many open shots as anyone else has, he just doesn't get as many looks as Wes/Ridnour have.
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Post#385 » by Krapinsky » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:21 pm

abrewbro68 wrote:I'm confused about our coach and our fan base.

First with adelman, not one player played more than 30 minutes, and not one player was able to get more that 13 shots. That's just weird to me when supposedly there are guys on this team that can shoulder a scoring load. If that's the case, why so many touches for so many other players.

Next with the fan base. How can you guys be blaming individuals when the coaching was the reason last night because of the reasons explained above? Why not more Williams? Why not more Shots and minutes for Pek and Beasley? Makes no sense to me. I just don't know what we expect as fans if these guys are only getting 27 minutes each. Our 6th man scorer only got 27 minutes of PT last night and shot over 50% and had 13 points. I'm sorry, but if we want more production than that from Beasley or Pek or Williams, they need to play more minutes and get more shots.

Give me the 7 shots from Randolph and the 8 shots from Ridnour and work them back into the game so guys like Williams Beaz and Pek get them instead


I take it you didn't watch the game, but just looked at the box score?
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Post#386 » by Krapinsky » Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:29 pm

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He played awful. But who didn't? If you guys think that the biggest issue on this team is Luke Ridnour you are in for a rude awakening.


If it isn't Luke at starting SG, what is it?

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Seems to me we're getting better production and consistency from Luke at SG than we are with anyone else at SF. We need two starting wings, not just a SG.

That said, I'd stress patience is important. For the long term, it might very well be better to play out the year with the current roster, saving our assets for the summer, and maximizing our cap space.
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Post#387 » by weasel » Thu Feb 9, 2012 6:10 pm

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abrewbro68 wrote:I'm confused about our coach and our fan base.

First with adelman, not one player played more than 30 minutes, and not one player was able to get more that 13 shots. That's just weird to me when supposedly there are guys on this team that can shoulder a scoring load. If that's the case, why so many touches for so many other players.

Next with the fan base. How can you guys be blaming individuals when the coaching was the reason last night because of the reasons explained above? Why not more Williams? Why not more Shots and minutes for Pek and Beasley? Makes no sense to me. I just don't know what we expect as fans if these guys are only getting 27 minutes each. Our 6th man scorer only got 27 minutes of PT last night and shot over 50% and had 13 points. I'm sorry, but if we want more production than that from Beasley or Pek or Williams, they need to play more minutes and get more shots.

Give me the 7 shots from Randolph and the 8 shots from Ridnour and work them back into the game so guys like Williams Beaz and Pek get them instead


I take it you didn't watch the game, but just looked at the box score?


Yeah, watching the game should have answered all of your questions/issues/confusement. Everyone was off their game last night and were playing with zero energy. Adelman played all the scrubs the entire 4th quarter because of it.
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Post#388 » by funkatron101 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 6:42 pm

I still have no idea how we should use AR.

He seems to make a good use of his time, in limited spurts. I thought he would have caused matchup problems against Chuck Hayes in the Kings game, but he saw no minutes.
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Post#389 » by kmgarnett21 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 6:53 pm

funkatron101 wrote:I still have no idea how we should use AR.

He seems to make a good use of his time, in limited spurts. I thought he would have caused matchup problems against Chuck Hayes in the Kings game, but he saw no minutes.


He needs to take Tolliver's minutes and play WITH RUBIO ON THE COURT. he always seems to be in the right place at the right time when Rubio's on the court, and Rubio, of course, always sees and finds him at the right time.

AR, in his limited minutes last night, seemed to show more hustle and heart than anyone else on the team. Even though he was severely outmatched guarding Gasol. He's not really a center. If the opponent's center isn't huge or if they're not playing a center at the time, then yes, he can play center. But he's not big/strong enough to guard players like Gasol
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Post#390 » by horaceworthy » Thu Feb 9, 2012 7:26 pm

AQuintus wrote:If it isn't Luke at starting SG, what is it?

The roster's complete lack, not just of a viable SG, but of wings who can knock down outside shots at least semi-reliably.
Why? With the exception of Rubio, none of those guys is a starter. Why shouldn't we expect our starting SG to perform like a starting SG?

Because the starting SG is actually a backup PG pressed into starting duty due to the shortcomings of the roster.
The fact of the matter is that it really isn't even Ridnour's fault at this point. He's playing like crap as the starting SG and actively costing the team wins, but it's Adelman's fault for continuing to put him in that position.

Put it on Adelman if you want, but Kahn and the wings he's placed on the roster would be a better place to direct your ire, since they're the reason Adelman's forced to play Luke heavy minutes at SG.
Even if guys like Ellington and Webster aren't helping us on offense, they at least aren't getting killed on defense like Ridnour. It basically comes down to Luke having to score 10+ points on 50% FGs and 40% 3s to even break even with his impact. Anything less and he's hurting our team more than he's helping it. Ellington and Webster can shoot worse than that and still break even due to their defense (which honestly isn't even that great, just much, much, much better than Ridnour's).

Their on ball defense is better than Ridnour's against opposing 2's, but Ridnour's more proactive off the ball. None of them really bring enough to the table defensively to break even if they're not making shots.

There's no shooter, secondary ballhandler, or disruptive defensive presence among the wings on the roster. When he's on his game, Luke actually brings two of the three to the table. It's far from ideal and puts the team at a disadvantage, but it isn't Luke or Adelman's fault the other wings can't be counted on to provide even one of them.
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Post#391 » by phonzadellika » Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:08 pm

The bench is a complete mess

Ridnour and Ellington basically play the same role right now.

Webster is still learning how to be unbroken this year.

SCB is trying to change his game to fit on the team, except now his shot is broke and he has no touch around the basket. I give him serious kudos because I think he's trying to grow up and develop skills, but it's painful to watch sometimes.

AR is a project who looks desperate...he's desperate for minutes, desperate for a job, desperate for consistency. I think that's why he plays crazy sometimes, trying to prove himself. Not enough minutes at PF to go around.

Darko is Darko, who knows what you're going to get out of him at any given time.

Miller probably can't offer anything but advice anymore.

Derrick Williams gets a pass on inconsistency because he's a rookie. He gets too jerked around on minutes though, how's he supposed to develop?

JJB and Tolliver, to me, are really the only consistent bench players right now, and Tolliver gets way too many minutes for what he brings to the table.

Webster/Darko/Miller definitely need to go
Either AR or SCB and either Ridnour or Ellington should go to
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Post#392 » by Sammyzuko » Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:36 pm

That was a very ugly loss, but let's not make knee-jerk reactions. I chalk that loss up to having played few very intense games on previous nights and our guys just needed a break. This season is tough on the players and it's hard to bring it every night. I anticipate we'll be back to form in our next game.
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Post#393 » by funkatron101 » Thu Feb 9, 2012 10:44 pm

Sammyzuko wrote:That was a very ugly loss, but let's not make knee-jerk reactions. I chalk that loss up to having played few very intense games on previous nights and our guys just needed a break. This season is tough on the players and it's hard to bring it every night. I anticipate we'll be back to form in our next game.

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