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[theGreatRC]

Need DLO back + a PF this off season..(and hopefully a top 3 pick)

If Ant can come into the next season looking like an all-star type player (which he can definitely be after a real off season + training camp + same coach) we won't just be a low level playoff team.

[Sugarless]

Need DLO back + a PF this off season..(and hopefully a top 3 pick)

If Ant can come into the next season looking like an all-star type player (which he can definitely be after a real off season + training camp + same coach) we won't just be a low level playoff team.

[Heimdal]

What do you think we should do in the off season?

*
Edwards - Nowell - Okogie
McDaniels
*
Towns - Reid

*Russell will come back, hog the ball and play no defense.
*Rubio and Minnesota just don't work together. It's mental. There he is going blank and missing bunnies. I swear he didn't miss those in Utah and Phoenix. Should have traded him already.
*JMac makes a good pass here and there, but he's not as efective as his fans think, and he gets completely dominated on defense. Too small.
*Beasley, as I said, is strictly a catch and shoot player, but he's unable to get open often enough. IQ is low and he's a revolving door on defense. I prefer Nowell and I don't necessarily love Nowell.
*Culver is a lost cause.
*Layman. The idea of Jake Layman is much better than his real production. He looks like a 3-point specialist who can't shoot.
*Juancho. No defense, missed layups and missed free throws. Just what the doctor ordered *to avoid at all costs*.
*Vanderbilt. Hustle with no talent whatsoever. Expiring.
*Davis. Salary fodder. Expiring.

Rosas isn't getting Kevin Durant out of that bunch. Give me a razor

[Jedzz]

What do you think we should do in the off season?

*
Edwards - Nowell - Okogie
McDaniels
*
Towns - Reid

*Russell will come back, hog the ball and play no defense.
*Rubio and Minnesota just don't work together. It's mental. There he is going blank and missing bunnies. I swear he didn't miss those in Utah and Phoenix. Should have traded him already.
*JMac makes a good pass here and there, but he's not as efective as his fans think, and he gets completely dominated on defense. Too small.
*Beasley, as I said, is strictly a catch and shoot player, but he's unable to get open often enough. IQ is low and he's a revolving door on defense. I prefer Nowell and I don't necessarily love Nowell.
*Culver is a lost cause.
*Layman. The idea of Jake Layman is much better than his real production. He looks like a 3-point specialist who can't shoot.
*Juancho. No defense, missed layups and missed free throws. Just what the doctor ordered *to avoid at all costs*.
*Vanderbilt. Hustle with no talent whatsoever. Expiring.
*Davis. Salary fodder. Expiring.

Rosas isn't getting Kevin Durant out of that bunch. Give me a razor

sigh

Too much I disagree with and not enough I agree with to bother.

[Heimdal]

^^ I know Jedzz, I know: you are of the opinion Russell is great and Edwards has to be traded. We'll get to see Russell so why bother (however if they keep the pick and select a PG, there will be decisions to make) and nobody is giving a king's ransom for Edwards, so Rosas will keep him even if it's for the 10% chance he becomes great.

[LesGrossman]

The roster is mostly trash, poorly assembled and with gaping holes for certain roles. Still this team managed to play level to the probable coming champion. How? Discipline, less dumb / selfish shots, buy in and passing. Fools / casuals dont understand who really matters for such "wins". The Grizzlies and Jazz of the past had whole groups of guys who were strongly handicapped offensively but dominated this way. Its a matter of "buy-in". If DLo comes back and the whole group goes into a "me first" chucking - no defense - Mode, this will be the worst team that didnt try to tank ever.

[ChiefKeith91]

What do you think we should do in the off season?

*
Edwards - Nowell - Okogie
McDaniels
*
Towns - Reid

*Russell will come back, hog the ball and play no defense.
*Rubio and Minnesota just don't work together. It's mental. There he is going blank and missing bunnies. I swear he didn't miss those in Utah and Phoenix. Should have traded him already.
*JMac makes a good pass here and there, but he's not as efective as his fans think, and he gets completely dominated on defense. Too small.
*Beasley, as I said, is strictly a catch and shoot player, but he's unable to get open often enough. IQ is low and he's a revolving door on defense. I prefer Nowell and I don't necessarily love Nowell.
*Culver is a lost cause.
*Layman. The idea of Jake Layman is much better than his real production. He looks like a 3-point specialist who can't shoot.
*Juancho. No defense, missed layups and missed free throws. Just what the doctor ordered *to avoid at all costs*.
*Vanderbilt. Hustle with no talent whatsoever. Expiring.
*Davis. Salary fodder. Expiring.

Rosas isn't getting Kevin Durant out of that bunch. Give me a razor

sigh

Too much I disagree with and not enough I agree with to bother.

Don’t worry Jedzz I’m off today so I have time lol

The fact that you criticized everyone but Okogie and the volume shooting rookie who gets benched for his play is strange.

Russell- His usage is 29%, KAT is 28%, ANT is 27.2% and Beasley/Nowell is 24%. So they all are “ball hogs” but only 1 is the PG of this team. If you mention defense that needs to be said for everyone not named Okogie or Jaden.

Rubio- His woes could be mental but between Covid and getting older you can’t be mad that he isn’t shooting great or he is t involved.

JMAC- You can’t not play for several games and then expect a player to come out and play his best ball when the rest of the NBA are in a groove already. Basketball is a game of rhythm and runs. That’s why nobody really gets caught up in players early season success.

Beasley- Same as JMAC as far as missing games. He is a gunner, we paid him to be a volume shooter nothing else. He’s our Lou Will/JCraw (I do think he’d be best as 6th man).

Culver- He plays however high or low his confidence is. Those DNP aren’t gonna help him improve or increase his trade value. You have to play him if your looking to trade him.

Layman- Same as Culver

Juancho- Has been our best PF since All star break especially during those Phoenix and Portland wins (Jaden is a 3 IMO). You mention individual defense when the entire team is guilty of that. I agree that FT % should be better.

Vando- Before Jaden started playing, he was our best option at PF so you have to play him. You work with the roster you have even if they aren’t the best. He does have cement hands and needs to work on catch the ball and FT in the off-season whether he’s with us or not.

Davis- Vet minimum every team has this roster spot

Okogie- Above average defender but it doesn’t make up for his offense woes.

Edwards- Horrible off ball defender and volume shooter (20 on 15 shots type player). Needs to work on efficiency and not relying on pull up 3’s. I’d like to see him use more floaters instead of going into 7 ft and expecting a foul call. I give him some slack because they didn’t have summer league or a real training camp last year.

Towns- Needs to assert his Will every single night. He should be shooting more than 5 FTA per game. He needs to command the ball and take no less than 18-20 shots a night if he truly cares about winning. Idk if the cross court softball pass is here to stay but I don’t like it.

Reid- I haven’t seen a 260 lb player on the ground so much since Roy Hibbert . His defense should be better

Nowell- He’s in the gunner role also so I expect him to shoot a lot and have no other real stats.

McDaniels- This kid is the one bright spot right now. Saunders didn’t want to play him over Layman and Okogie but I’m glad Finch does. Throwing him to the Wolves to guard Harden and other teams best players is gonna do wonders for him. He’s starting to put the ball on the floor which will move him to the 3 ultimately.


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[Heimdal]

^^ChiefKeith91. It's not that a disagree with you, it's that I consider your view to be extremely positive, which is fine. I was asked what I'd do this offseason and I replied with the few guys I would keep and the many guys I wouldn't and explained why I wouldn't.

Obviously, if you keep a terrible defender because "hey the whole team don't play defense anyway!" your projected Wolves are going to lose 60 games every season. Also, if being absent for 2 weeks is an excuse to play like poop for several games, again, this is going nowhere. Tons of NBA players miss games, come back and look good quickly. That's called talent. Culver doesn't have it. Beasley had plenty of games like this one before.

Regarding Edwards, I'm not convinced at all he will turn the corner, but I'm sure the easiest way to save the Wolves is
1 Keeping the pick
2 Coaching Edwards to be an all-star
3 Jaden McDaniels

[LesGrossman]

Regarding Edwards, I'm not convinced at all he will turn the corner, but I'm sure the easiest way to save the Wolves is

2 Coaching Edwards to be an all-star

What is that even supposed to mean. Its a #1 pick do you seriously believe he isnt getting all the coaching the Wolves have to offer? That sounds like something SAS would say, as if you could just decide to do that. Why stop with him then, lets coach the whole team to be all stars or at least positions 1-8?

[Jedzz]

^^ I know Jedzz, I know: you are of the opinion Russell is great and Edwards has to be traded. We'll get to see Russell so why bother (however if they keep the pick and select a PG, there will be decisions to make) and nobody is giving a king's ransom for Edwards, so Rosas will keep him even if it's for the 10% chance he becomes great.

The issue is your post was claiming everyone is trash except for Rubio (the one guy you will defend) who was just in the wrong place, wrong fit according to you. When in reality, plenty of these players are good, useful, not perfect, just like Rubio, just being misused and placed in poorly fit circumstances.

I laugh at how the conversation constantly devolves to you hate or love a player or think they are great or garbage. Some of you act like I don't know Dlo hasn't been an allstar defender in his career. I have countless posts saying Russell wasn't my choice. The reality is I could see the team making him a target and they did. Once here, how best to get the most from him. Be real about who they are and build around their positives and negatives. Then they targeted Beasley, refused to move on from JMac...these are their decisions. Not mine. Now, how do we build a team with them...everything should have been geared towards that.

It wasn't. Instead they lobbed two bombs into the middle of those former choices and blew their value to pieces and with them, the possible immediate future they had infront of them. Now they've done what all past failures have done before them. Immediately switched to attaching their jobs to forward looking (years down the road) futures of young draft choices. They never even gave it a single season to really try. But beyond my growing hate for Rosas now, is listening to fans blame these players and accept what we are stuck watching playout claiming it is all their fault.

[ChiefKeith91]

^^ChiefKeith91. It's not that a disagree with you, it's that I consider your view to be extremely positive, which is fine. I was asked what I'd do this offseason and I replied with the few guys I would keep and the many guys I wouldn't and explained why I wouldn't.

Obviously, if you keep a terrible defender because "hey the whole team don't play defense anyway!" your projected Wolves are going to lose 60 games every season. Also, if being absent for 2 weeks is an excuse to play like poop for several games, again, this is going nowhere. Tons of NBA players miss games, come back and look good quickly. That's called talent. Culver doesn't have it. Beasley had plenty of games like this one before.

Regarding Edwards, I'm not convinced at all he will turn the corner, but I'm sure the easiest way to save the Wolves is
1 Keeping the pick
2 Coaching Edwards to be an all-star
3 Jaden McDaniels

Yeah I’m optimistic because while we’re at the bottom of the standings if you look around we don’t belong here with the obvious tankers (OKC, HOU, DET, ORL). Our record is a result of injuries/suspensions, Saunders coaching (5-6 games we should’ve won), and growing pains. I know you can’t wait for a fully healthy team because this is sports and injuries are apart of the game but if you give Finch a healthy lineup of DLo, Ant, Beasley, McDaniels, and KAT they are gonna win more than 11 games. Rosas not addressing the PF position rubbed me the wrong way cause that means he either thinks McDaniel is a 4 which he isn’t or Juancho is the answer which he isn’t either.

I agree with the defense aspect. You need majority of the team to buy in on defense and the effect wit takeover. Ex. When Kyrie was got to Boston he said him, Rozier, Smart and Brown use to compete to see who would have the most steals each game. Little things like that improved their perimeter defense. The immediate answer to our defensive woes is def a PF who can do those things. Whether that be drafting Mobley (I’m interested in a McDaniels, Mobley, and KAT front court) or trading for a Top 10 PF which would cost you young talent and contract fillers.

Players who don’t play for 2 weeks and don’t miss a beat after stars like Playmaking Harden when he got to BKN. I don’t expect that from a spot up shooter. You’ve seen Danny Green break 3 pt records and then not be able to shoot the entire playoffs last year. It happens to everybody, the same shots Beasley is missing are the ones he was making in January.

Agreed keeping the pick is crucial whether you draft or trade it. Ant having a real off season will be the determining factor. I give him til next year, I’m not waiting around like we did for Wiggins. McDaniels won’t get much bigger so he’ll work on his wing game (ballhandling, getting to his spots).


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