Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Nick K]

No. Philly board says we’re overrating Ant. Are they taking to account he’s 19 and had a terror post ASG season after a shaky start?

He’s 19, can’t even get into a bar.

He’s likable and marketable

He wanted to be here with zero drama pre draft

Did I mention he’s 19? Like he’s still under his parents insurance 19? He’s closer to age to my 6 YO daughter and 3 YO son than he is to my 36 YO old ass.

I agree. MIN fans and front office love the guy, and I don’t think we would trade him for Simmons.

I only am posting because I was listening to Dane Moore yesterday, and he said that if MIN had gotten a top three pick, that it would have been a foregone conclusion they would have built around the timeline of the Top 3 guy (franchise level?), Ant and McDaniels, rather than Towns-DLo! I don’t know if I’d go that far - all these players haven’t reached their prime, and having stars on rookie deals allows you to afford max deals on KAT and DLo. Rosas said last week he wants to build on both timelines.

I don’t know, but I think Dane’s statement gives me a lot of comfort that the Wolves aren’t trading Anthony Edwards, so I wanted to pass it along.

I'm no longer a Dane fan. He's wrong far too often. I don't know where he comes up with some of his stuff.

[jpatrick]

I find Dane enjoyable to listen to but his takes are generally horrible. Just listened to him talk about how he would be tempted to take Kuminga #1 in this draft (did say he’d still have Cade ahead of him). Horrible.

But he’s entertaining. And he’s a bit curmudgeonly, but I also like Britt Robson.

His draft analyst friend. I think he’s an assistant at one of the small schools around here. So bad. I think he had Devin Vassell #1 last year. Awful.

[shangrila]

I find Dane enjoyable to listen to but his takes are generally horrible. Just listened to him talk about how he would be tempted to take Kuminga #1 in this draft (did say he’d still have Cade ahead of him). Horrible.

But he’s entertaining. And he’s a bit curmudgeonly, but I also like Britt Robson.

His draft analyst friend. I think he’s an assistant at one of the small schools around here. So bad. I think he had Devin Vassell #1 last year. Awful.

Canis was pushing that, it might have been the same guy given they promote Dane's podcast.

If he's in that groupthink bubble it doesn't surprise me that his takes are bad.

[Nick K]

I find Dane enjoyable to listen to but his takes are generally horrible. Just listened to him talk about how he would be tempted to take Kuminga #1 in this draft (did say he’d still have Cade ahead of him). Horrible.

But he’s entertaining. And he’s a bit curmudgeonly, but I also like Britt Robson.

His draft analyst friend. I think he’s an assistant at one of the small schools around here. So bad. I think he had Devin Vassell #1 last year. Awful.

I agree. I've read Britt going back to 1992 when he wrote for "The Reader" a local paper. His ideas don't reach me either anymore. They used to.

I wonder how much these guys think for themselves and use common sense? How muh of it is media group think? I don't know. I get plenty of solid ideas from the 2 boards I'm on. Then a lot of it is experience and common sense.

Some of these trade ideas where we give away the house make my head spin. Same with trading Kat so we can go into another 5 year rebuild. Sheesh!

[shrink]

I like both Dane and Brit, and I love the way they interact. It sounds like a knowledgeable father and son talking Timberwolves over a few beers.

I’m with you, that I also don’t always agree with Dane’s takes, but I LOVE that he understand the CBA and salary cap. I have spent fifteen years waiting for a guy like this. Hearing local and national talking heads publish information that flat out would be illegal by CBA rules has been like fingernails on a blackboard to me for a long long time. We are coming into a new generation where people are learning the rules (Gupta’s trade checker helped make people interested), and many of you probably ended up here at RealGM (rather than other fan sites) because you wanted to understand this too, and be more “real.”

I am so glad that so many of you are here! And for that reason, I appreciate Dane too.

[Klomp]

Dane is a great listen, but I often find myself disagreeing with him.

[IceManBK1]

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How about 3 way with cavs and Philly?

Sexton and Beasley to Philly
Rubio+Culver+Hernangomez+2 1sts via Min to Cavs
Simmons to Min

[Note30]

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How about 3 way with cavs and Philly?

Sexton and Beasley to Philly
Rubio+Culver+Hernangomez+2 1sts via Min to Cavs
Simmons to Min

Jesus, just hand over Ant and Mc Daniels while you're at it.

Sexton and filler would be a great haul for Simmons, much less Beasley and 2 1sts.

I'd actually rather trade take out a piece or so and trade DLo and get both Simmons and Sexton

[IceManBK1]

Um Culver and juancho are trash.. Even Cavs don't want them. But gotta include them as salary fillers.

[IceManBK1]

How about we engage indiana in 3 way.. But we don't get simmons. Instead we'll get turner and McDermott and George Hill in a sign and trade.
Min out: Beasley and Rubio+Culver+one
protected 1st
In: Turner+McDermott+George Hill

Ind Out: Brogdon+filler+1st rder
In: Ben Simmons, Rubio

Phi Out: Ben Simmons and George Hill
In: Brogdon, Beasley, min(1st), ind(1st)

Dlo/Bolmaro/jmac
Edwards/Hill/okogie/novelle
McDaniels/McDermott/layman
Turner/Vanderbilt/Huancho
Towns/Reid

Still have MLE

We'll have very good depth.

[shrink]

How about we engage indiana in 3 way.. But we don't get simmons. Instead we'll get turner and McDermott and George Hill in a sign and trade.
Min out: Beasley and Rubio+Culver+one
protected 1st
In: Turner+McDermott+George Hill

Ind Out: Brogdon+filler+1st rder
In: Ben Simmons, Rubio

Phi Out: Ben Simmons and George Hill
In: Brogdon, Beasley, min(1st), ind(1st)

Dlo/Bolmaro/jmac
Edwards/Hill/okogie/novelle
McDaniels/McDermott/layman
Turner/Vanderbilt/Huancho
Towns/Reid

Still have MLE

We'll have very good depth.

I like the concept better with Miles Turner, and we know IND like Simmons. Unfortunately, they already named their price for Simmons at Brogdan and a 1st. I don’t think they’d add Miles Turner to that price, if the only other pieces they got back were low value Rubio and Culver.

[jpatrick]

Um Culver and juancho are trash.. Even Cavs don't want them. But gotta include them as salary fillers.

I agree with you. If we can get Simmons for Rubio, Beasley, and two first (protected), you do it.

Players like Juancho and Culver are negative value. Maybe Culver is neutral. Maybe.

[IceManBK1]

How about we engage indiana in 3 way.. But we don't get simmons. Instead we'll get turner and McDermott and George Hill in a sign and trade.
Min out: Beasley and Rubio+Culver+one
protected 1st
In: Turner+McDermott+George Hill

Ind Out: Brogdon+filler+1st rder
In: Ben Simmons, Rubio

Phi Out: Ben Simmons and George Hill
In: Brogdon, Beasley, min(1st), ind(1st)

Dlo/Bolmaro/jmac
Edwards/Hill/okogie/novelle
McDaniels/McDermott/layman
Turner/Vanderbilt/Huancho
Towns/Reid

Still have MLE

We'll have very good depth.

I like the concept better with Miles Turner, and we know IND like Simmons. Unfortunately, they already named their price for Simmons at Brogdan and a 1st. I don’t think they’d add Miles Turner to that price, if the only other pieces they got back were low value Rubio and Culver.

they don't need turner anymore after getting Simmons. Rubio could start for them after they trade Brogdon. Plus Rubio's exp contract is a bonus for them.

[Note30]

Um Culver and juancho are trash.. Even Cavs don't want them. But gotta include them as salary fillers.

I agree with you. If we can get Simmons for Rubio, Beasley, and two first (protected), you do it.

Players like Juancho and Culver are negative value. Maybe Culver is neutral. Maybe.

Yeah no, our picks are far too valuable to just toss two at a guy who can't shoot.

Our picks because we are so bad are inherently more valuable than most other picks.

Of were spending two plus picks the return better be Damian Lillard level returns.

[Note30]

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

[MoeGreene]

Shhh, Sixers fan here, don't say that too loud. People might come to understand what we know.

Btw, we want no parts of Rubio either.

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

[Slim Tubby]

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

Very interesting take, Note. There’s a lot of truth squeezed in there.

Ricky + McDaniels > Simmons and it’s also $17M cheaper, too.


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[jpatrick]

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

Simmons is flawed yes. I would not trade Ant, Towns, or an unprotected pick for him. I would even struggle to include McDaniels as part of the package but I also have an irrational liking of him.

Think about what you typed. If you could fuse Rubio’s ball handling/playmaking, top 10-15 in the NBA passing ability, into Okogie’s body with Okogie’s defense (but better, Simmons finished second in DPOY), and then make that player 6’10”? That’s pretty good.

The fact he flat out doesn’t shoot makes him a really difficult fit on most NBA teams. He needs to be paired with a center that can space the floor and other shooters. Much like Draymond Green. Good thing we have the best shooting big man of this generation.

At the end of the day, my best offer is Beasley, Rubio, and two protected firsts. I’d other neutral/negative value goes out (Culver, Juancho, Vanderbilt, etc), it’s fine too.

The money worries me yes. But the cap is expected to go up significantly, which makes all these max deals a lot better. Put it this way, much better to have a player on a max signed under the old cap than signed under the one after this TV deal is signed.

[Nick K]

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How about 3 way with cavs and Philly?

Sexton and Beasley to Philly
Rubio+Culver+Hernangomez+2 1sts via Min to Cavs
Simmons to Min

Why does MN have to send 2 firsts? Philly isn't in the best negotiating position either. They have thrown Simmons under the bus and Simmons wants out. Philly should get less than fair value.

I'd trade Beasley, past #6 Culver ( who still has a chance to be good), Okogie (great defense), Juancho and maybe 1 first. If they don't like it I'm just fine living without Simmons. On to the next guy.

If the trade goes down I do think it's a 3 way deal.

[King Malta]

Dane is a great listen, but I often find myself disagreeing with him.

Likewise.

I don't always find Dane and Britt agreeable (Britt in particular can be such a killjoy sometimes) but their banter and discussion is fun to listen to and offers different perspectives on the team.

We're lucky to have a fair bit of quality media to consume regarding this team IMO