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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#641 » by Klomp » Wed Aug 4, 2021 10:49 pm

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Klomp wrote:Teams don't just trade their best players unless the offer is way too good to be true or they feel there's no other option. We're not at either point and never have been there with Towns.


And we keep sucking with that softass.

How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#642 » by Note30 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 10:53 pm

Klomp wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
Klomp wrote:Teams don't just trade their best players unless the offer is way too good to be true or they feel there's no other option. We're not at either point and never have been there with Towns.


And we keep sucking with that softass.

How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.


He's a great 2nd option
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#643 » by KGdaBom » Wed Aug 4, 2021 10:55 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:Odds are we get worse by trading KAT instead of better. Put me in the camp that thinks trading him would be an extremely bad idea.


The point to sell KAT was at least 1.5 years ago when he was still valued highly around the league. That's when selling high was still possible. Pretty sure I even posted this on here back then. Since that point, basically everything in the organization has gone down the toilet as predicted and no progress whatsoever with regards to becoming a winning organization.
At this point what is left is the decision is between selling low on KAT and acquiring a couple assets for the future OR being a mediocre team for years to come.

The decision that needs to be made is pretty clear IMO clear off the roster whatever you can and acquire assets for the future to build around Edwards and McDaniels. Towns is gone in 2024 at latest. More likely even earlier.


I had thought that maybe he’d even be traded when we didn’t get our pick this year. That maybe we were just waiting to see if we’d luck out and keep it or lose it and trade KAT.

The only saving Grace may be if he plays well and stays healthy he builds up value by deadline or next draft.

Our best value with KAT is keeping him and having his talents to help us win games.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#644 » by Battletrigger » Wed Aug 4, 2021 10:59 pm

Klomp wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
Klomp wrote:Teams don't just trade their best players unless the offer is way too good to be true or they feel there's no other option. We're not at either point and never have been there with Towns.


And we keep sucking with that softass.

How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.



Phoenix Suns:

18/19: 19/63
19/20: 34/39
20/21: 51/21 NBA Finals.

Minnesota Timberwolves :

18/19: 36/46
19/20: 19/45
20/21: 23/49 without their own draft pick and most of the season being the worst team.

Let's talk about fact and results.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#645 » by KGdaBom » Wed Aug 4, 2021 10:59 pm

Note30 wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
And we keep sucking with that softass.

How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.


He's a great 2nd option

Booker is a very good player. Neither he nor Paul carried them to the finals. It was the injuries that all the other contenders had that brought Phoenix to the finals. They are by no means legit contenders going forward.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#646 » by KGdaBom » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:02 pm

Battletrigger wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
And we keep sucking with that softass.

How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.



Phoenix Suns:

18/19: 19/63
19/20: 34/39
20/21: 51/21 NBA Finals.

Minnesota Timberwolves :

18/19: 36/46
19/20: 19/45
20/21: 23/49 without their own draft pick and most of the season being the worst team.

Let's talk about fact and results.

You have a 144 post history. Out of those how many have been about the Wolves and how many have been negative? I don't mind seeing posts pointing out some problems. We certainly have some. However, if just about all your posts are negative you get into what I call whining. I see plenty to be positive and excited about.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#647 » by Battletrigger » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:10 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
Klomp wrote:How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.



Phoenix Suns:

18/19: 19/63
19/20: 34/39
20/21: 51/21 NBA Finals.

Minnesota Timberwolves :

18/19: 36/46
19/20: 19/45
20/21: 23/49 without their own draft pick and most of the season being the worst team.

Let's talk about fact and results.

You have a 144 post history. Out of those how many have been about the Wolves and how many have been negative? I don't mind seeing posts pointing out some problems. We certainly have some. However, if just about all your posts are negative you get into what I call whining. I see plenty to be positive and excited about.


Sorry, next time I want to post something I will ask your permission.

Most post are negative cause this team is bad since KG years except Butler year and we were humillated as a team for the second best player in this team history, all the 'stars' we have are soft and weak mentality and the team should be in a shopomore hands but we continue insisting in a player that has proven no apt to be a number one player. Plus, we were the worst team most of the year, we lost our pick and have very big holes in the roster with many crap players.

But hey, if you want to be blind no matter, like you said last year. This team without Edwards plus Wiseman is a contender.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#648 » by Neeva » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:12 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
Note30 wrote:
Klomp wrote:How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.


He's a great 2nd option

Booker is a very good player. Neither he nor Paul carried them to the finals. It was the injuries that all the other contenders had that brought Phoenix to the finals. They are by no means legit contenders going forward.

The cp3 contract and impending contracts for ayton and bridges who will get overpaid by a lot will keep them on a threadmill until Booker wants out, just watch.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#649 » by shangrila » Wed Aug 4, 2021 11:44 pm

Battletrigger wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
And we keep sucking with that softass.

How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.



Phoenix Suns:

18/19: 19/63
19/20: 34/39
20/21: 51/21 NBA Finals.

Minnesota Timberwolves :

18/19: 36/46
19/20: 19/45
20/21: 23/49 without their own draft pick and most of the season being the worst team.

Let's talk about fact and results.

And what do the injury histories look like?
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#650 » by Klomp » Thu Aug 5, 2021 1:12 am

Battletrigger wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
And we keep sucking with that softass.

How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.



Phoenix Suns:

18/19: 19/63
19/20: 34/39
20/21: 51/21 NBA Finals.

Minnesota Timberwolves :

18/19: 36/46
19/20: 19/45
20/21: 23/49 without their own draft pick and most of the season being the worst team.

Let's talk about fact and results.

This year we are likely to be in a similar vein as the 19-20 Suns. That doesn't guarantee a trip to the Finals the year after, but it does show that it is possible to gradually build your way to success.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#651 » by Foye » Thu Aug 5, 2021 7:53 am

KGdaBom wrote:
m2002brian wrote:
Foye wrote:
The point to sell KAT was at least 1.5 years ago when he was still valued highly around the league. That's when selling high was still possible. Pretty sure I even posted this on here back then. Since that point, basically everything in the organization has gone down the toilet as predicted and no progress whatsoever with regards to becoming a winning organization.
At this point what is left is the decision is between selling low on KAT and acquiring a couple assets for the future OR being a mediocre team for years to come.

The decision that needs to be made is pretty clear IMO clear off the roster whatever you can and acquire assets for the future to build around Edwards and McDaniels. Towns is gone in 2024 at latest. More likely even earlier.


I had thought that maybe he’d even be traded when we didn’t get our pick this year. That maybe we were just waiting to see if we’d luck out and keep it or lose it and trade KAT.

The only saving Grace may be if he plays well and stays healthy he builds up value by deadline or next draft.

Our best value with KAT is keeping him and having his talents to help us win games.


Not possible as long as your GM keeps trading away the best supporting cast players for cap space.
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Re: 2021 Draft thread 

Post#652 » by Battletrigger » Thu Aug 5, 2021 10:10 am

Klomp wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
Klomp wrote:How many years did Phoenix suck with softass Booker. He still hasn't carried his team anywhere. The one year they were good was because CP3 carried them. Phoenix should totally trade Booker.



Phoenix Suns:

18/19: 19/63
19/20: 34/39
20/21: 51/21 NBA Finals.

Minnesota Timberwolves :

18/19: 36/46
19/20: 19/45
20/21: 23/49 without their own draft pick and most of the season being the worst team.

Let's talk about fact and results.

This year we are likely to be in a similar vein as the 19-20 Suns. That doesn't guarantee a trip to the Finals the year after, but it does show that it is possible to gradually build your way to success.


Well, I hope you are right, with Kuminga I'd be more optimistic.

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