The thread where we discuss rebounding

[BlacJacMac]

If one preseason game is a sample, Vando and McD aren’t the answers.


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Vanderbilt had 7 boards in only 17 minutes.

That’s roughly 15 PER36. That’s a strong check in the plus column for him starting.

McDaniels is likely never to be even an average rebounder. Leave him at SF.

Not saying Vando is a good nor a bad rebounder, but give me the team rebounding stats when he's on the floor vs off the floor, not his individual rebounding numbers. He might be good at rebounding because he goes for the rebs when he should be boxing out instead, lots of guys in the league who collect an impressive number of rebs while the team rebounding with them on the floor is awful, and vice versa (Brook Lopez, Adams).

A lot of our guys just don't have the instinct to box out because they were just hunting the individual rebs in high school to seen like better prospects, dude I am like a 5' 11'' 155lbs PG in my amateur league and I always box out my opposing PG at the top of the key or wherever, doesn't matter how far from the basket, because I want to win. How these guys don't have the instinct that boxing out helps winning and that therefor they should always box out is beyond me, coaches in the nba should be destroying guys for not boxing out, just make them watch the tape of them failing until their eyes pop out.

Can do. We were +2.9 ORB, +2.9 DRB and +5.7 TRB when he was on the floor last season.

[wolves_89]

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I still think the biggest issue for the Wolves is roster construction, the team is incredibly small. Playing small can be fine in a lot of situations, but the team needs to have options to play bigger when needed. The Wolves really need to add one or two players that have the size to compete against bigger opponents. I still don't understand why the team was constructed with such a severe lack of depth in terms of size. It limits the flexibility of the rotation and results in a team that can be crippled by one or two injuries. My biggest fear for this team is Towns missing time again, because without him there will be virtually no chance to rebound enough to win.

[KGdaBom]

Vanderbilt had 7 boards in only 17 minutes.

That’s roughly 15 PER36. That’s a strong check in the plus column for him starting.

McDaniels is likely never to be even an average rebounder. Leave him at SF.

Not saying Vando is a good nor a bad rebounder, but give me the team rebounding stats when he's on the floor vs off the floor, not his individual rebounding numbers. He might be good at rebounding because he goes for the rebs when he should be boxing out instead, lots of guys in the league who collect an impressive number of rebs while the team rebounding with them on the floor is awful, and vice versa (Brook Lopez, Adams).

A lot of our guys just don't have the instinct to box out because they were just hunting the individual rebs in high school to seen like better prospects, dude I am like a 5' 11'' 155lbs PG in my amateur league and I always box out my opposing PG at the top of the key or wherever, doesn't matter how far from the basket, because I want to win. How these guys don't have the instinct that boxing out helps winning and that therefor they should always box out is beyond me, coaches in the nba should be destroying guys for not boxing out, just make them watch the tape of them failing until their eyes pop out.

Can do. We were +2.9 ORB, +2.9 DRB and +5.7 TRB when he was on the floor last season.

I'm not surprised at all by that. He's a great rebounder. So all takes is to have Vando on the floor to outrebound our opponents. Rebounding problem solved.

[BlacJacMac]

Not saying Vando is a good nor a bad rebounder, but give me the team rebounding stats when he's on the floor vs off the floor, not his individual rebounding numbers. He might be good at rebounding because he goes for the rebs when he should be boxing out instead, lots of guys in the league who collect an impressive number of rebs while the team rebounding with them on the floor is awful, and vice versa (Brook Lopez, Adams).

A lot of our guys just don't have the instinct to box out because they were just hunting the individual rebs in high school to seen like better prospects, dude I am like a 5' 11'' 155lbs PG in my amateur league and I always box out my opposing PG at the top of the key or wherever, doesn't matter how far from the basket, because I want to win. How these guys don't have the instinct that boxing out helps winning and that therefor they should always box out is beyond me, coaches in the nba should be destroying guys for not boxing out, just make them watch the tape of them failing until their eyes pop out.

Can do. We were +2.9 ORB, +2.9 DRB and +5.7 TRB when he was on the floor last season.

I'm not surprised at all by that. He's a great rebounder. So all takes is to have Vando on the floor to outrebound our opponents. Rebounding problem solved.

So KAT and Vando are going to play 48 MPG?

Vando played 18 MPG last year. That's over 4x his previous career high.

If we start both of them, who comes off the bench and rebounds? We were -2.2 TRB last year when Naz played.

[Calinks]

It looks like a big problem unless the guards really step up the rebounding. Hopefully, we are still looking to add a big if we don't get Simmons.

[KGdaBom]

Can do. We were +2.9 ORB, +2.9 DRB and +5.7 TRB when he was on the floor last season.

I'm not surprised at all by that. He's a great rebounder. So all takes is to have Vando on the floor to outrebound our opponents. Rebounding problem solved.

So KAT and Vando are going to play 48 MPG?

Vando played 18 MPG last year. That's over 4x his previous career high.

If we start both of them, who comes off the bench and rebounds? We were -2.2 TRB last year when Naz played.

Maybe he needs to play 26 or we trade for Simmons.

[Klomp]

Can do. We were +2.9 ORB, +2.9 DRB and +5.7 TRB when he was on the floor last season.

I'm not surprised at all by that. He's a great rebounder. So all takes is to have Vando on the floor to outrebound our opponents. Rebounding problem solved.

So KAT and Vando are going to play 48 MPG?

Vando played 18 MPG last year. That's over 4x his previous career high.

If we start both of them, who comes off the bench and rebounds? We were -2.2 TRB last year when Naz played.

To me, this shows why we need Vanderbilt to pair with Reid instead of Towns. We may not be elite with just Towns, but he can hold his own. Reid cannot at this point.

[BlacJacMac]

I'm not surprised at all by that. He's a great rebounder. So all takes is to have Vando on the floor to outrebound our opponents. Rebounding problem solved.

So KAT and Vando are going to play 48 MPG?

Vando played 18 MPG last year. That's over 4x his previous career high.

If we start both of them, who comes off the bench and rebounds? We were -2.2 TRB last year when Naz played.

To me, this shows why we need Vanderbilt to pair with Reid instead of Towns. We may not be elite with just Towns, but he can hold his own. Reid cannot at this point.

To me this shows we need at least one more legit rebounder. KAT can't do it on his own, and guys like McDaniels and Prince rebound like Guards.

[wolves_89]

So KAT and Vando are going to play 48 MPG?

Vando played 18 MPG last year. That's over 4x his previous career high.

If we start both of them, who comes off the bench and rebounds? We were -2.2 TRB last year when Naz played.

To me, this shows why we need Vanderbilt to pair with Reid instead of Towns. We may not be elite with just Towns, but he can hold his own. Reid cannot at this point.

To me this shows we need at least one more legit rebounder. KAT can't do it on his own, and guys like McDaniels and Prince rebound like Guards.

None of McDaniels, Prince, Layman, or Okogie come anywhere close to providing the rebounding necessary for the PF spot, especially when Reid isn't a very good rebounder either. As you said, it's pretty clear the Wolves need to add a big to balance the roster and salvage the team's ability to rebound.

[Krapinsky]

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This is the guy I wanted Wolves to get somehow. Going to be a solid pro and would have helped our rebounding woes.

[beezy]

Lots of cool stats and lots of great discussion. Bottom line: rebounding is the one factor that will keep us under or over 36 wins. The margin is razor thin. Not a good place to be entering the season. The good vibes will disappear fast if the opponents are jamming second chance points down our throats. I think we have to make a move or two to acquire capable bigs and we will have to let go of some shooting to do so. I say fine. Beasley is obvious. Either of DLo or Pat Bev. Of course we don't WANT to part with them but opposing players naturally miss shots in the course of possessions and what good is our shooting if we can't end those possessions with a defensive rebound. Maybe we only have to part with one of the three to get the right rebounding piece.

[TaylorTag]

I'm not sure we should move DLo or Pat Bev for a rebounder.

Vando is an excellent rebounder. As Klomp said earlier, pairing Vando with Reid should help a lot.

I really liked our McLaughlin, D'Lo, Hernangomez, Vanderbilt, Reid lineup we had going last season. They weren't amazing by any means, but D'Lo showed he could put up points with that group and on the defensive end, we had enough size with essentially three PFs on the floor that seemed like our height caused teams' problems.

I don't see why we can't have a lineup of Beverley, D'Lo, Prince, Vando and Reid play significant minutes.

Regarding a trade, I will be interested to see what the Rosas-less FO will do. Could we get a true PF for Beasely? I know we need shooting and Beasely provides that, but putting up points isn't really my concern for this team

[TaylorTag]

I'm not sure we should move DLo or Pat Bev for a rebounder.

Vando is an excellent rebounder. As Klomp said earlier, pairing Vando with Reid should help a lot.

I really liked our McLaughlin, D'Lo, Hernangomez, Vanderbilt, Reid lineup we had going last season. They weren't amazing by any means, but D'Lo showed he could put up points with that group and on the defensive end, we had enough size with essentially three PFs on the floor that seemed like our height caused teams' problems.

I don't see why we can't have a lineup of Beverley, D'Lo, Prince, Vando and Reid play significant minutes. I would think that group could hold up its own.

I also still think our starting lineup should be D'Lo, Ant, McDaniels, Vando and KAT. If Finch is starting Okogie because he wants a disruptive on-ball defender, I think McDaniels could do the job. He seemed to cause guards problems last year out in the perimeter, which should allow Vando to stay closer to the rim for rebounding.

What these preseason games don't provide us is who the closing lineup will be. By the time the 4th Quarter comes around the starters are done for the night.

Regarding a trade, I will be interested to see what the Rosas-less FO will do. Could we get a true PF for Beasely? I know we need shooting and Beasely provides that, but putting up points isn't really my concern for this team

[beezy]

I'm not sure we should move DLo or Pat Bev for a rebounder.

Vando is an excellent rebounder. As Klomp said earlier, pairing Vando with Reid should help a lot.

I really liked our McLaughlin, D'Lo, Hernangomez, Vanderbilt, Reid lineup we had going last season. They weren't amazing by any means, but D'Lo showed he could put up points with that group and on the defensive end, we had enough size with essentially three PFs on the floor that seemed like our height caused teams' problems.

I don't see why we can't have a lineup of Beverley, D'Lo, Prince, Vando and Reid play significant minutes. I would think that group could hold up its own.

I also still think our starting lineup should be D'Lo, Ant, McDaniels, Vando and KAT. If Finch is starting Okogie because he wants a disruptive on-ball defender, I think McDaniels could do the job. He seemed to cause guards problems last year out in the perimeter, which should allow Vando to stay closer to the rim for rebounding.

What these preseason games don't provide us is who the closing lineup will be. By the time the 4th Quarter comes around the starters are done for the night.

Regarding a trade, I will be interested to see what the Rosas-less FO will do. Could we get a true PF for Beasely? I know we need shooting and Beasely provides that, but putting up points isn't really my concern for this team

I think you have to give quality to get quality. Our current rebounding situation is untenable no matter how you shuffle the deck chairs.

[Klomp]

Bottom line: rebounding is the one factor that will keep us under or over 36 wins. The margin is razor thin. Not a good place to be entering the season. The good vibes will disappear fast if the opponents are jamming second chance points down our throats.

I don't know if I'd go that far. One observation I'd make about the defense/ending possessions is that this defense will have a greater propensity to collect steals. Edwards, Okogie and Beverley each had two steals the other night and only Edwards played 20 minutes. Obviously that ratio won't hold up, but it also can help explain some of the rebounding difficulties.

[KGdaBom]

Bottom line: rebounding is the one factor that will keep us under or over 36 wins. The margin is razor thin. Not a good place to be entering the season. The good vibes will disappear fast if the opponents are jamming second chance points down our throats.

I don't know if I'd go that far. One observation I'd make about the defense/ending possessions is that this defense will have a greater propensity to collect steals. Edwards, Okogie and Beverley each had two steals the other night and only Edwards played 20 minutes. Obviously that ratio won't hold up, but it also can help explain some of the rebounding difficulties.

People always call Kevin Love a horrible defender. I've always disagreed with that. His DEFENSIVE rebounding ended so many possession for our opponents it made up for some of the other aspects of his defense. I'd call him average.

[m2002brian]

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