winforlose wrote: MN7725 wrote:
Let me know if it's just me, but I would NOT trade Vando for Collins if the option was on the table
Collins played well in the playoffs
Vando is a Try Hard that is effective because of his energy level relative to everyone else (credit to him!), but in a playoff situation everyone's intensity is pretty equal, and so players like Vando that lack ball skills tend to get played off the court
having said that, Collins doesn't make a ton of sense giving how ball dominant ANT/KAT/Russell are, chemistry and players accepting roles is hugely important
There is a difference between simply hustling, and having good rebounding technique. V8 is consistent enough that you have to assume he could rebound high level in the playoffs. His free throw shooting and and shot percentage at the rim also support his viability in the playoffs. We both know his defense is more than adequate. The only real question is whether V8â€™s lack of mid range and deep shot is more of a liability than his other various contributions? I struggle to find a way to get to yes on that question. V8 is a guy who generates more points off rebounds and forcing turnovers than most 5th scoring option role players generate in points. Moreover, as he finds new ways to improve his cutting and rolling V8â€™s value is increasing, not decreasing. For the money V8 is a huge value, maybe even one of the most valuable contracts in the league.
To replace all the rebounding, defense, extra possessions, and added pace that V8 brings is no easy task, and frankly Gupta would be smart not to try.
just pointing out that there are "82-game players, then there are 16-game players" as Draymond Green says
again, not really a fan of Collins
would likely be significant diminishing returns adding another expensive offensive player, he'd be getting fewer shots than at ATL and isn't the type to do the screening, floor running, defensive effort, boxing out
I've said all season I think Wolves would be more impacted going after another guard/wing who could create, I'd be more interested in Bogdan than Collins if Wolves were dealing with the Hawks
but then my guy Nowell is finally getting consistent minutes, so it becomes the same argument
why pay Bogdan 10x as much as Nowell