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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#101 » by Killboard » Tue Jan 5, 2021 2:27 pm

Jedzz wrote:First just want to say, the other 29 teams don't have a roster like this one. Houston no longer even resembles what Rosas was aiming at.

So you are saying the PF has to be able to shoot to draw defender out of the paint, right? Juancho isn't the only player that can be found to do that if he's struggling, and you might get back more then just that. Besides I can count how often we are getting Edwards and Culver to charge into the paint on one hand. Ryan apparently doesn't ask them to. Culver is already starting to immitate Wiggins moves, even if it looks better. None of these guys are hitting that paint with any intent of finishing at the rim much or going through any defenders. Edwards = 1, Juancho =1 in Denver game. That's with Juancho playing. If once a game is the number, I guess we can do without. But there are players out there available that can shoot 3s, can pass, can defend with good size and can move well. I've been pushing a name, there are more.


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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#102 » by Jedzz » Tue Jan 5, 2021 2:50 pm

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Jedzz wrote:First just want to say, the other 29 teams don't have a roster like this one. Houston no longer even resembles what Rosas was aiming at.

So you are saying the PF has to be able to shoot to draw defender out of the paint, right? Juancho isn't the only player that can be found to do that if he's struggling, and you might get back more then just that. Besides I can count how often we are getting Edwards and Culver to charge into the paint on one hand. Ryan apparently doesn't ask them to. Culver is already starting to immitate Wiggins moves, even if it looks better. None of these guys are hitting that paint with any intent of finishing at the rim much or going through any defenders. Edwards = 1, Juancho =1 in Denver game. That's with Juancho playing. If once a game is the number, I guess we can do without. But there are players out there available that can shoot 3s, can pass, can defend with good size and can move well. I've been pushing a name, there are more.




Good inside effort from Culver that game, good post. Yet, still only two of those possessions did he leave his feet and get up on the rim. I heard them say "sticktoittiveness" and that fits. Going strong at that rim, twice. He came from baseline both sides though, and pretty much was our guy there and want to see more.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#103 » by Killboard » Tue Jan 5, 2021 3:18 pm

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Jedzz wrote:First just want to say, the other 29 teams don't have a roster like this one. Houston no longer even resembles what Rosas was aiming at.

So you are saying the PF has to be able to shoot to draw defender out of the paint, right? Juancho isn't the only player that can be found to do that if he's struggling, and you might get back more then just that. Besides I can count how often we are getting Edwards and Culver to charge into the paint on one hand. Ryan apparently doesn't ask them to. Culver is already starting to immitate Wiggins moves, even if it looks better. None of these guys are hitting that paint with any intent of finishing at the rim much or going through any defenders. Edwards = 1, Juancho =1 in Denver game. That's with Juancho playing. If once a game is the number, I guess we can do without. But there are players out there available that can shoot 3s, can pass, can defend with good size and can move well. I've been pushing a name, there are more.




Good inside effort from Culver that game, good post. Yet, still only two of those possessions did he leave his feet and get up on the rim. I heard them say "sticktoittiveness" and that fits. Going strong at that rim, twice. He came from baseline both sides though, and pretty much was our guy there and want to see more.


His confidence is a work in progress. But all his points, except for a corner 3 were inside. He (and Edwards) are better when they can get some space to drive instead of settling for jumpers.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#104 » by Dewey » Tue Jan 5, 2021 3:18 pm

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Jedzz wrote:First just want to say, the other 29 teams don't have a roster like this one. Houston no longer even resembles what Rosas was aiming at.

So you are saying the PF has to be able to shoot to draw defender out of the paint, right? Juancho isn't the only player that can be found to do that if he's struggling, and you might get back more then just that. Besides I can count how often we are getting Edwards and Culver to charge into the paint on one hand. Ryan apparently doesn't ask them to. Culver is already starting to immitate Wiggins moves, even if it looks better. None of these guys are hitting that paint with any intent of finishing at the rim much or going through any defenders. Edwards = 1, Juancho =1 in Denver game. That's with Juancho playing. If once a game is the number, I guess we can do without. But there are players out there available that can shoot 3s, can pass, can defend with good size and can move well. I've been pushing a name, there are more.




Good inside effort from Culver that game, good post. Yet, still only two of those possessions did he leave his feet and get up on the rim. I heard them say "sticktoittiveness" and that fits. Going strong at that rim, twice. He came from baseline both sides though, and pretty much was our guy there and want to see more.

Is there a stat for "leaving ones feet to get high above rim" ? He went strong 7 times and finished under control ...
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#105 » by thinktank » Tue Jan 5, 2021 4:27 pm

Dewey wrote:Is there a stat for "leaving ones feet to get high above rim" ? He went strong 7 times and finished under control ...


The Wolves need more guys taking it to the rim aggressively.

I'm ecstatic about what I see from Culver.

Now keep working on that jumper.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#106 » by Jedzz » Tue Jan 5, 2021 5:17 pm

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His confidence is a work in progress. But all his points, except for a corner 3 were inside. He (and Edwards) are better when they can get some space to drive instead of settling for jumpers.


Right, inside now because he's been 1-12 from 3 over the past four games including 1-4 that game. By all means, head inside. The team needed someone to besides Beasley who we need to stay out at the 3 more to help with space.

Culver and Edwards should be skying at that rim more with energy making defenders think about the next one. Find his confidence by doing so. Take your own space by going in strong, finishing strong, not weak. I still agree, good to see him working in there. He's doing much more for this than Edwards will it seems. I just take issue with all the talk that these are our larger and more athletic wings when they are so shy at the rim. Reminds me of big bone collector trying to put his shot back 3 to 4 times playing patty cake with the rim. Get off your heels and slam that home. Use that standing vert.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#107 » by Jedzz » Tue Jan 5, 2021 5:23 pm

Dewey wrote:Is there a stat for "leaving ones feet to get high above rim" ? He went strong 7 times and finished under control ...


No, there isn't. Which is why we must talk about the need for players doing so. He didn't "go strong" 7 times. He did so twice, the rest is just working the paint and baseline and yes we need someone to. "Under control" is a good point and maybe the reason he doesn't attack with more fury yet. The opposite would be Okogie really attacking a rim with less control at times. We saw Culver go strong once and actually miss the dunk, right? Maybe that's why he still avoids doing so at times to maintain more control. But these are reasons these guys are all still "in progress" players that should be playing off bench minutes and the team needs someone that already can do more often in games.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#108 » by Norseman79 » Tue Jan 5, 2021 5:27 pm

I want to see a lineup of Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Vanderbilt, and Reid just once for a five to ten minute stretch. Call it a hunch, but I am guessing it would be productive.
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Post#109 » by Jedzz » Tue Jan 5, 2021 6:23 pm

Norseman79 wrote:I want to see a lineup of Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Vanderbilt, and Reid just once for a five to ten minute stretch. Call it a hunch, but I am guessing it would be productive.


Rubio can dish for others well, but he's going to get mighty cranky when none of them are doing what they should or in the expected place. I imagine we'd see plenty of Rubio arm motioning trying to get guys moving. Then again, he and Dlo both have had to do that for Layman and others.

All of those guys save for maybe Reid need to get that ball in their hands before they decide to do something yet. Reid at least can anticipate for putbacks. Culver is showing a little of that awareness too. But cutting and making themselves a target? Idk.
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Post#110 » by Dewey » Tue Jan 5, 2021 7:18 pm

Norseman79 wrote:I want to see a lineup of Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Vanderbilt, and Reid just once for a five to ten minute stretch. Call it a hunch, but I am guessing it would be productive.

Best case scenario right now ... Reid and Vanderbilt rotate at the 4. Force Layman and Hernangomez to fight their way back defensively,and if nothing else, just try them in a smaller role at the 3 to help stretch the floor and hope some shots fall.

Rubio/McLaughlin ... Limited DLo

DLo/Ant/Culver/Beasley/Okogie/Nowell ... Hodge Podge

Davis/Vanderbilt vs. Layman/Hernangomez ... switch it up?

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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#111 » by minimus » Tue Jan 5, 2021 9:03 pm

Norseman79 wrote:I want to see a lineup of Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Vanderbilt, and Reid just once for a five to ten minute stretch. Call it a hunch, but I am guessing it would be productive.


This will be fun for sure, but you need at least one shooter to make it work in offense.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#112 » by Norseman79 » Tue Jan 5, 2021 10:00 pm

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Norseman79 wrote:I want to see a lineup of Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Vanderbilt, and Reid just once for a five to ten minute stretch. Call it a hunch, but I am guessing it would be productive.


This will be fun for sure, but you need at least one shooter to make it work in offense.


Yeah, I would just unleash Edwards in that lineup. I am not talking about starting the game like that, but it would be nice to see them come into the game together. Like Rubio, Edwards and Vanderbilt checking in for DLo, Beas, and Juancho.
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Post#113 » by wolves_89 » Tue Jan 5, 2021 11:45 pm

Norseman79 wrote:I want to see a lineup of Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Vanderbilt, and Reid just once for a five to ten minute stretch. Call it a hunch, but I am guessing it would be productive.


That would be my preferred bench unit when Towns and Okogie are back. The group lacks shooting, but would be pretty good on defense and should be able to score enough.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#114 » by Killboard » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:42 am

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Norseman79 wrote:I want to see a lineup of Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Vanderbilt, and Reid just once for a five to ten minute stretch. Call it a hunch, but I am guessing it would be productive.


That would be my preferred bench unit when Towns and Okogie are back. The group lacks shooting, but would be pretty good on defense and should be able to score enough.



I like every of them in a vaccum. But how Edwards and Culver could drive to the rim with Vanderbilt and Naz defenders cloging the paint? Naz can kind of shoot, maybe he becomes a 3 point threat down the road, but right now he hasn't shown he can damage teams from outside. Edwards pretty much the same. He has a nice stroke and isn't shy, but isn't a knock down shooter off the dribble just yet.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#115 » by Jedzz » Wed Jan 6, 2021 12:47 am

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Norseman79 wrote:I want to see a lineup of Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Vanderbilt, and Reid just once for a five to ten minute stretch. Call it a hunch, but I am guessing it would be productive.


This will be fun for sure, but you need at least one shooter to make it work in offense.


Yeah, I would just unleash Edwards in that lineup. I am not talking about starting the game like that, but it would be nice to see them come into the game together. Like Rubio, Edwards and Vanderbilt checking in for DLo, Beas, and Juancho.


What does "unleash Edwards" mean in that post, that situation?

Right now if you "unleash" him in my mind he's going full on Georgia Bulldog and Rubio is no longer needed or good for the group.

If you instead mean do everything you can to get him cutting for Rubio dishes, well yeah.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#116 » by Norseman79 » Wed Jan 6, 2021 1:24 am

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Norseman79 wrote::cry:
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This will be fun for sure, but you need at least one shooter to make it work in offense.


Yeah, I would just unleash Edwards in that lineup. I am not talking about starting the game like that, but it would be nice to see them come into the game together. Like Rubio, Edwards and Vanderbilt checking in for DLo, Beas, and Juancho.


What does "unleash Edwards" mean in that post, that situation?

Right now if you "unleash" him in my mind he's going full on Georgia Bulldog and Rubio is no longer needed or good for the group.

If you instead mean do everything you can to get him cutting for Rubio dishes, well yeah.


All of the above. You actually call plays, designed for him to cut, designed for pnr, designed for back picks, iso....you know, actually coach the game
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Post#117 » by urinesane » Wed Jan 6, 2021 5:54 pm

Would people really be upset with James Wiseman anchoring the defense right now instead of Edwards playing hero drive ball?
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Post#118 » by Klomp » Wed Jan 6, 2021 6:22 pm

urinesane wrote:Would people really be upset with James Wiseman anchoring the defense right now instead of Edwards playing hero drive ball?


The desire for Wiseman is no doubt amplified by the absence of Towns. If Towns were here, Wiseman would be getting under 20 minutes a game. The potential for a greater role would also be a more difficult path due to the presence of Towns.

We will never know for sure how Wiseman would've been here. Maybe he'd be great. Maybe he'd be mediocre. The amount of success one has for one franchise cannot be automatically translated into the same success for another franchise.
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Re: The "Rosasian Roster" in 2020 

Post#119 » by urinesane » Wed Jan 6, 2021 10:54 pm

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urinesane wrote:Would people really be upset with James Wiseman anchoring the defense right now instead of Edwards playing hero drive ball?


The desire for Wiseman is no doubt amplified by the absence of Towns. If Towns were here, Wiseman would be getting under 20 minutes a game. The potential for a greater role would also be a more difficult path due to the presence of Towns.

We will never know for sure how Wiseman would've been here. Maybe he'd be great. Maybe he'd be mediocre. The amount of success one has for one franchise cannot be automatically translated into the same success for another franchise.


Very true, but at some point they have to get some legit size at PF. It's not fair to ask Layman and Juancho to produce at that position when they are severely out muscled constantly on defense (then we expect them to have a spark on offense where they get few opportunities while Edwards and DLo play hero ball).

The lack of a legit PF is creating a domino effect throughout all aspects of the game.
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Post#120 » by Klomp » Thu Jan 7, 2021 12:16 am

urinesane wrote:
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urinesane wrote:Would people really be upset with James Wiseman anchoring the defense right now instead of Edwards playing hero drive ball?


The desire for Wiseman is no doubt amplified by the absence of Towns. If Towns were here, Wiseman would be getting under 20 minutes a game. The potential for a greater role would also be a more difficult path due to the presence of Towns.

We will never know for sure how Wiseman would've been here. Maybe he'd be great. Maybe he'd be mediocre. The amount of success one has for one franchise cannot be automatically translated into the same success for another franchise.


Very true, but at some point they have to get some legit size at PF. It's not fair to ask Layman and Juancho to produce at that position when they are severely out muscled constantly on defense (then we expect them to have a spark on offense where they get few opportunities while Edwards and DLo play hero ball).

The lack of a legit PF is creating a domino effect throughout all aspects of the game.

If they viewed Wiseman (or Towns) as a PF, I think Wiseman would've been the pick.
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