Jordan McLaughlin RFA Status

[wolves_89]

I feel a little bad for McLaughlin in that his RFA status is likely a severe limitation on his bargaining position. It's pretty obvious that no other teams are willing to make an offer the Wolves wouldn't match (I'd guess if a team was willing to offer $3+M a year they would have done so by now). The situation for McLaughlin is even worse since accepting the qualifying offer means going back to a two-way contract (my bet is he would accept the QO if it was a one year NBA minimum contract followed by UFA). At this point it seems inevitable that McLaughlin ends up with a deal for less money per year and more total years than he wants.

[Jedzz]

I feel a little bad for McLaughlin in that his RFA status is likely a severe limitation on his bargaining position. It's pretty obvious that no other teams are willing to make an offer the Wolves wouldn't match (I'd guess if a team was willing to offer $3+M a year they would have done so by now). The situation for McLaughlin is even worse since accepting the qualifying offer means going back to a two-way contract (my bet is he would accept the QO if it was a one year NBA minimum contract followed by UFA). At this point it seems inevitable that McLaughlin ends up with a deal for less money per year and more total years than he wants.

If I was him I wouldn't sign any multi year unguaranteed hinkie crap. They've gone out of their way to assure he'll struggle to get court time and to take advantage of his position financially.

It's sucks because you don't want to be on the outside of a season this late in the game. But this is how the team has taken advantage of this... It's sad because they won't do it to a more expensive player to save many millions but they will do it to these cheap players that saves them neglible amounts. The risk is there he's out of basketball if other teams refuse to see what kind of player he clearly is. But I still take the risk and bail on this treatment. With Bucks paying 7M to a player just like him whos well over 30 there are signs teams will use players like this and once free of Wolves control he'll find a role. If that means Wolves can control this one year of his and bury him, so be it. Surface next year playing for someone else. To hell with Rosas taking advantage of players like this. They are tossing around little 1.5 deals like water. They couldn't have offered him a real league min guaranteed deal? Forget it. They gave him court time to prove himself a little. Thank them for that but don't let them use that against him forever.

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[KGdaBom]

If and hopefully when McLaughlin signs does that mean one of RHJ or Nowell have to be out?

[UnFadeable21]

If and hopefully when McLaughlin signs does that mean one of RHJ or Nowell have to be out?

Yes we would be at 16

[Jedzz]

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Same thing they did to Nowell, trying to remove their rights to play anywhere else for years at the lowest possible dollar without adding any guarantees to the money. Why sign these? Sure, it could be your only chance at that first million. That's a big deal and that's what the team is hoping they think. But this isn't like Bazz turning down a 40 million deal thinking he could get more. It's not the same as Nowell having to decide before being allowed to show anything at all, not even summer camp. It's not as hard to expect to find a real league min deal with another team, not with what McLaughlin showed is possible from him on an NBA court. Find a new agent that will talk to different teams.

[winforlose]

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Same thing they did to Nowell, trying to remove their rights to play anywhere else for years at the lowest possible dollar without adding any guarantees to the money. Why sign these? Sure, it could be your only chance at that first million. That's a big deal and that's what the team is hoping they think. But this isn't like Bazz turning down a 40 million deal thinking he could get more. It's not the same as Nowell having to decide before being allowed to show anything at all, not even summer camp. It's not as hard to expect to find a real league min deal with another team, not with what McLaughlin showed is possible from him on an NBA court. Find a new agent that will talk to different teams.

I disagree. JMAC is a mixed bag. His defense is poor, his size means he doesn’t rebound well. His shooting went way up in the second half but if it reverts to his career average (factoring in G league, college, and first half of last season,) then his shoot is less valuable then you think. Add the Covid empty seats which lowers revenue and compresses the cap, I doubt anyone wants to pay anything serious to JMAC. He is a two way or a 3rd string PG. teams would rather draft PGs or sign two ways rather than tie down the roster spot for a multi year deal.

The good news for JMAC is that if MB is suspended pending the resolution of his legal drama then a roster spot will be open for him (assuming RHJ gets the other one.)

[Baseline81]

I may be in the minority, but if the Wolves lose either Rubio or Russell for significant time, a third PG is not the difference between a playoff run and a high draft pick. If McLaughlin won't accept Rosas' terms, take the qualifying offer and head into next offseason as an unrestricted FA.

[thinktank]

I’d love to ride pine for a 1.5 million.

Get paid to learn the pro game.

Somebody always gets hurt.

[Jedzz]

I disagree. JMAC is a mixed bag. His defense is poor, his size means he doesn’t rebound well. His shooting went way up in the second half but if it reverts to his career average (factoring in G league, college, and first half of last season,) then his shoot is less valuable then you think... )

I'll stop right there and read no further. You have no idea what you are talking about. None. Your words are empty and false.

His defense isn't poor. His size isn't ideal but it's not without many examples across the league.
His defensive IQ is high. His energy on both ends is high. He's not Kawhi on defense. So what. You act like his defense has to be all-world to deserve even minor deals and backup roles?

>Highschool - watch some flim - amazing.
>College career shows good to great shooting. Watch some game film. The league talent finders have slept on this guy other than he ultimately made it on the court.
>Summer league decent shooting, small sample size
>Gleague showed good to great shooting.
>NBA, again, showed great shooting.

At each level you see a short transition time of lower numbers and then he takes off. It's consistent and he did it now at the highest level as well. Displayed everything you could hope to see from much more lauded prospects coming in. Led the offense as good as a starter might and this was a player in his rookie playing year that wasn't even with the team when the season started.

Anyone not understanding his first couple of ugly NBA game chances had everything to do with transitioning is a moron. These kids get jerked up from the Gleague to join a team cold. All it took him was a few ugly games and then off to the races he went. I saw those first few games and thought the team was nuts playing him too. But once you see that transition happen, you know better or should. You didn't see Culver handle the transition that well. You absolutely never saw Culver take the reigns as PG like JMac did and Culver was a top 6 pick with all the positive chatter and belief from fans and the team itself. This is the same mistake prone team evaluators that are now trying to relegate him to the lowest deal and role on this team they can this year. Absolute morons through and through to not take full advantage of what he can do with higher roster role than initially planned at much lower numbers than you would normally have to get that production from. Instead we focused team assets and cap now on another two draft guards, a #17 and millions on Rubio. They could have stuck with Dlo/Jmac and focused more on SF/PF sized two way studs. Probably could have gained a pick for next year. Heck they still could have gotten Edwards all the same. Nope. They are going a different way. As such they should have cut JMac free like they did rescinding Marin's QO.


Educate yourself on this then come back if you want to quote and talk with me. I've had enough of chatting with people thinking and posting stuff like this.

[winforlose]

I disagree. JMAC is a mixed bag. His defense is poor, his size means he doesn’t rebound well. His shooting went way up in the second half but if it reverts to his career average (factoring in G league, college, and first half of last season,) then his shoot is less valuable then you think... )

I'll stop right there and read no further. You have no idea what you are talking about. None. Your words are empty and false.

His defense isn't poor. His size isn't ideal but it's not without many examples across the league.
His defensive IQ is high. His energy on both ends is high. He's not Kawhi on defense. So what. You act like his defense has to be al-world to deserve even minor deals and backup roles? There are starters and many role players his size. They are still getting drafted today at that size. One big difference, he's one of the few that actually produce on the court.

>Highschool - watch some flim - amazing.
>College career shows good to great shooting. Watch some game film. The league talent finders have slept on this guy other than he ultimately made it on the court.
>Summer league decent shooting, small sample size
>Gleague showed good to great shooting.
>NBA, again, showed great shooting.

At each level you see a short transition time of lower numbers and then he takes off. It's consistent and he did it now at the highest level as well. With sustained minutes in the new year he absolutely went wild with his chances out there. Displayed everything you could hope to see from much more lauded prospects coming in. Led the offense as good as a starter might and this was a player in his rookie playing year that wasn't even with the team when the season started.

Anyone not understanding his first couple of ugly NBA game chances had everything to do with transitioning is a moron. These kids get jerked up from the Gleague to join a team cold. All it took him was a few ugly games and then off to the races he went. You didn't see Culver handle the transition that well. You absolutely never saw Culver take the reigns as PG like JMac did and Culver was a top 6 pick with all the positive chatter and belief from fans and the team itself. This is the same mistake prone team evaluators that are now trying to relegate him to the lowest deal and role on this team they can this year. Absolute morons through and through to not take full advantage of what he can do with higher roster role than initially planned at much lower numbers than you would normally have to get that production from. Instead we focused team assets and cap now on another two draft guards, a #17 and millions on Rubio. They could have stuck with Dlo/Jmac and focused more on SF/PF sized two way studs. Nope.


Educate yourself on this then come back if you want to quote and talk with me. I've had enough of chatting with people thinking and posting stuff like this.

It’s obvious you feel very strongly about this. Since my goal is neither to fight nor troll I will remove my opinions and just state facts. Fact, Dlo is our first string PG. fact Rubio is our second string PG. Fact, the following numbers are from basketball reference and I am including the link below. I will leave it up to you to determine how much he deserves based on these numbers and whether the wolves should negotiate him into a contract with as little commitment as possible while maintaining the greatest degree of control (the ideal for an NBA team when negotiating with a 3rd string player.)

Stats: 19.7 MPG: PPG 7.6: TRB 1.6: APG 4.2

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mclaujo01.html

[Jedzz]

I disagree. JMAC is a mixed bag. His defense is poor, his size means he doesn’t rebound well. His shooting went way up in the second half but if it reverts to his career average (factoring in G league, college, and first half of last season,) then his shoot is less valuable then you think... )

It’s obvious you feel very strongly about this. Since my goal is neither to fight nor troll I will remove my opinions and just state facts. Fact, Dlo is our first string PG. fact Rubio is our second string PG. Fact, the following numbers are from basketball reference and I am including the link below. I will leave it up to you to determine how much he deserves based on these numbers and whether the wolves should negotiate him into a contract with as little commitment as possible while maintaining the greatest degree of control (the ideal for an NBA team when negotiating with a 3rd string player.)

Stats: 19.7 MPG: PPG 7.6: TRB 1.6: APG 4.2

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mclaujo01.html

FACT: you are arguing this subject like a moron might.

What on on earth does stating who is the known starter and second string PG have to do with this discussion so far? Absolutely none and has nothing to do with your original claims. None.

I know they chose a different route. That doesn't mean their choice was the best option they had. That doesn't mean the player they overlooked the value of is horrible. It just means they aren't taking advantage of a good thing.

You would love to keep his first couple of ugly games coming in cold from the Gleague in those averages for the season and claim not to notice the severe impact those couple games had skewing his numbers great numbers later. But it's completely moronic to do so.

I won't take the time to show you his numbers again after he made a clear transition to this level. I've alreay done it here. Go find it. There maybe isn't another Point Guard on this roster now with full compliment of production and efficiency numbers like his the rest of that season showed, yet the team is dumping over 46 million into the point guard role right now for this upcoming season without him. That's how screwed up this all his from what it could be. That's why I suggested all summer that drafting any PGs high would mess up a good thing they had here. I didn't foresee the Rubio trade for #17 coming, but it's the same effect.

Somebody in that front office or coaching group knew enough to bring JMac in. My only guess is they aren't powerful enough to have bullied the prospect of him being the direct Dlo backup plan going forward. Other less visionary, less frugal people must have more control.

They chose to go a different way. I know that. That's why I'm suggesting they cut him free so he can catch on elsewhere. But why some of you feel you can't speak honestly about these things I have no idea. It's as if you were to admit who he is than you might have to admit the team screwed something up again and your heart just can't take that or something.

[urinesane]

I disagree. JMAC is a mixed bag. His defense is poor, his size means he doesn’t rebound well. His shooting went way up in the second half but if it reverts to his career average (factoring in G league, college, and first half of last season,) then his shoot is less valuable then you think... )

It’s obvious you feel very strongly about this. Since my goal is neither to fight nor troll I will remove my opinions and just state facts. Fact, Dlo is our first string PG. fact Rubio is our second string PG. Fact, the following numbers are from basketball reference and I am including the link below. I will leave it up to you to determine how much he deserves based on these numbers and whether the wolves should negotiate him into a contract with as little commitment as possible while maintaining the greatest degree of control (the ideal for an NBA team when negotiating with a 3rd string player.)

Stats: 19.7 MPG: PPG 7.6: TRB 1.6: APG 4.2

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mclaujo01.html

FACT: you are arguing this subject like a moron might.

You can have a different opinion from someone without them being a moron, you're better than this.

[urinesane]

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Plays better than a 3rd string imo.

[Jedzz]

It’s obvious you feel very strongly about this. Since my goal is neither to fight nor troll I will remove my opinions and just state facts. Fact, Dlo is our first string PG. fact Rubio is our second string PG. Fact, the following numbers are from basketball reference and I am including the link below. I will leave it up to you to determine how much he deserves based on these numbers and whether the wolves should negotiate him into a contract with as little commitment as possible while maintaining the greatest degree of control (the ideal for an NBA team when negotiating with a 3rd string player.)

Stats: 19.7 MPG: PPG 7.6: TRB 1.6: APG 4.2

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mclaujo01.html

FACT: you are arguing this subject like a moron might.

You can have a different opinion from someone without them being a moron, you're better than this.

Yes maybe I should be. My bad, but I did say this is how one might. I didn't call him one. I called what the team chose to do moronic. But if he's going to sit here quoting me to post things like this over and over I'm running out of better ways to describe it. Should I just call him a Troll instead? He's trolling me obviously.

His post about " Fact, Dlo is our first string PG. fact Rubio is our second string PG. " is just trolling.

If I'm dealing with people that won't see his first couple bad games as his transition period and how that skewed the great numbers later than I don't want him quoting me anymore and ringing my notify bell anymore. I had to tell him so. Repeatedly throwing generalized season averages of a rookie at me is trolling in my book. It's either trolling or someone that doesn't think beyond what's for dinner on a given day.

[Jedzz]

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Plays better than a 3rd string imo.

Agreed. To me there is no way anyone rational and honest, with any kind of eye for basketball talent, with any desire to see this team have more success, can look at that and say pfft, 3rd string or cut him., two way worthy and that's it, don't care... That's a rookie doing all that and that clip doesn't show the half of it that game. gtfo of my way if that's their take. I don't have time for them anymore if that's how they think.

My gripe is always what's best for the team to improve itself. This was a mishandling of a player value miss. I'm not likely to get over such misses unless they can win big regardless of the misses. Ten years from now I'll remember when Rosas pooched this opportunity to lock in the PG rotation more cheaply and have a better offseason. I hope their alternative direction pays off in a big way this season.

[Baseline81]

Plays better than a 3rd string imo.

From the Timberwolves' perspective, he will be behind both Rubio and Russell. I am not sure how any rational person can argue that.

Unfortunately for McLaughlin, Rosas has him between a rock and a hard place. Not many teams have space left. And because he's a restricted FA, they know the Wolves will match a minimum offer.

[Jedzz]

Something I don't take into account enough is how some people involved in pro sports seem to think really short term about things like ticket sales and spinning up fan bases about a team to drive whatever sales. So short term in fact they actually might believe a top 10 pick that ends up a total bum is still a better bet because of the amount of ferver it can put a fan base into before a season and initially drives sales. The problem is that's all ultra short term if the drafted player is a bust and the team will lose more and it all dries up. If the draft pick is average, maybe they don't get worse in any big way but the hyped moment and sales dry up. If the team doesn't vastly improve on bad records and results those short term sales will always dry up.

They might even market the heck out of us for years trying to keep false hype and hope about a player long beyond a bust decision should be called such as we had with the Wiggins era here.

I forget often that these people are in this mode all the time. That they might not care if an undrafted kid is the next jordan lite or even just a great backup, or could even become a great 6th man. Because it's really going to be hard to spin up a mass of fans about an undrafted player with a major role in the short term. But the faulty thinking I believe exists here is that if that undrafted player helps the team win more, and allows the team to focus more resources on filling other holes, the team ultimately starts to win at a much higher rate, fans get in a tizzy for this now long haul and higher hopes building by the game and sales go through the roof on everything. But I suppose that's just too many words to explain this and too much time to wait for a return. Got to make that splash draft choicec or splash trade for the short term wow.

[winforlose]

Plays better than a 3rd string imo.

From the Timberwolves' perspective, he will be behind both Rubio and Russell. I am not sure how any rational person can argue that.

Unfortunately for McLaughlin, Rosas has him between a rock and a hard place. Not many teams have space left. And because he's a restricted FA, they know the Wolves will match a minimum offer.

Thank you, you seem to understand my point. He is our third string if he signs with us. Our goal is to give him as little as possible while maintaining as much control as possible. Other teams are not beating down the door for him.

Reasonable people can disagree about his value. Reasonable people cannot disagree about the above facts. As for his stats, Jed if you think I am wrong show me something, anything that proves your point. The best way to objectively evaluate a player is through stats. If you want to show me different stats that tell a more complete story, then please do so. Otherwise, stop name calling and come up with some other means of proving your point.

[Jedzz]

I’d love to ride pine for a 1.5 million.

Get paid to learn the pro game.

Somebody always gets hurt.

And if you could be as good as the players you are watching but forced to sit and watch? If you would be alright with that than you don't belong in pro sports. At least not the type of players I want to see on a team. They work their tails off for opportunities and then sieze them. Like he did.

I don't think he has much to learn. I think he came into this league well ahead of most rookies in game IQ and knowing what he can do. Doesn't mean he didn't have to get used to the speed and demands of this level. But yeah that was no normal rookie dusting Kawhi and George like they don't matter.