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[Nick K]

I still don’t know how I’d feel about moving Towns to PF. KAT isn’t nearly as bad as he looked tonight. He wants to be as good as Jokic and he’s just not. If someone like Turner came at a discount, I wouldn’t fight that move though.

If our lotto ball comes up, I want Suggs/Cunningham. Get Rubio to the bench for his last year and keep DLo off the ball.

Heck, Mobley is good too. Just really hope we get lucky. What we really need is just more talent. Ant is Ant. Not sure Towns and DLo are the 2/3 on a championship team though.

I'm convinced if Towns is a #2 on a team you have one hell of a #1. Kat is exceptional in many areas but nobody is perfect and he has a couple of weaknesses. He has to improve there. I think he will.

We do need more talent for depth period. I'm loving our future.

KAT seems like the guy who would have issues to be #2 though. I think best to move on from him, hes fools gold. Along with him send DLo to greener pastures. Rubio should be let go as well obviously. This team can go somewhere...man even the Knicks played well this season, why should the Wolves never be able to?

Remember when Kat was hurt and we coldn't win a game without him?

On the season Kat averages 25 pts, 11rebs and 5 asts per game. He shoots 48% from the field and almost 40% from 3. He makes 86% of his free throws. Why is that "fools gold"? Why would you want to move a player like that? I don't understand your thinking. Explain it to me.

[winforlose]

I'm convinced if Towns is a #2 on a team you have one hell of a #1. Kat is exceptional in many areas but nobody is perfect and he has a couple of weaknesses. He has to improve there. I think he will.

We do need more talent for depth period. I'm loving our future.

KAT seems like the guy who would have issues to be #2 though. I think best to move on from him, hes fools gold. Along with him send DLo to greener pastures. Rubio should be let go as well obviously. This team can go somewhere...man even the Knicks played well this season, why should the Wolves never be able to?

Remember when Kat was hurt and we coldn't win a game without him?

On the season Kat averages 25 pts, 11rebs and 5 asts per game. He shoots 48% from the field and almost 40% from 3. He makes 86% of his free throws. Why is that "fools gold"? Why would you want to move a player like that? I don't understand your thinking. Explain it to me.

Not only do I agree with everything you said, I want to add that when KAT is off the floor either because of foul trouble or resting, other teams pounce on us. KAT isn’t just a dynamic scorer who can rebound well and make a lot of good passes for every bad one, he is the 7 footer who can hit step back 3s and split the defense in the low post. KAT is one of the hardest bigs to scheme against and it creates so many open shots for guys like Dlo, MCD, Ant, Beasley, Nowell, ect...

KAT’s biggest weakness is his foul trouble which often comes from being too emotional. On the one hand I had hoped he would grow out of some of his issues. On the other hand, he just had one of the worst years a human being can go through. Losing his mother, losing six other family members, almost losing his father. If you read some of KAT’s comments about his own Covid infection he talks about nights were he thought he might die. KAT playing through all he has been through (especially at the level he is performing,) all while battling a very injured wrist is nothing short of miraculous. There is nothing foolish about his gold.

[Nick K]

KAT seems like the guy who would have issues to be #2 though. I think best to move on from him, hes fools gold. Along with him send DLo to greener pastures. Rubio should be let go as well obviously. This team can go somewhere...man even the Knicks played well this season, why should the Wolves never be able to?

Remember when Kat was hurt and we coldn't win a game without him?

On the season Kat averages 25 pts, 11rebs and 5 asts per game. He shoots 48% from the field and almost 40% from 3. He makes 86% of his free throws. Why is that "fools gold"? Why would you want to move a player like that? I don't understand your thinking. Explain it to me.

Not only do I agree with everything you said, I want to add that when KAT is off the floor either because of foul trouble or resting, other teams pounce on us. KAT isn’t just a dynamic scorer who can rebound well and make a lot of good passes for every bad one, he is the 7 footer who can hit step back 3s and split the defense in the low post. KAT is one of the hardest bigs to scheme against and it creates so many open shots for guys like Dlo, MCD, Ant, Beasley, Nowell, ect...

KAT’s biggest weakness is his foul trouble which often comes from being too emotional. On the one hand I had hoped he would grow out of some of his issues. On the other hand, he just had one of the worst years a human being can go through. Losing his mother, losing six other family members, almost losing his father. If you read some of KAT’s comments about his own Covid infection he talks about nights were he thought he might die. KAT playing through all he has been through (especially at the level he is performing,) all while battling a very injured wrist is nothing short of miraculous. There is nothing foolish about his gold.

Right on all! The guy isn't perfect but no one is. We're lucky to have him. Keeping out of foul trouble and controlling his emotions are clearly a work in progress but Coach Finch will help him there I'm sure.

Look at how emotionally cool and collected Ant and McD are. Amazing for their age. Kat can learn from them too.

Think about this, Kevin Durant is a 38.4% 3 pt shooter career. I have the highest respect for KD. Kat is a 39.6% career 3 pt shooter. Even the great Reggie Miller shot only 39.5% from 3 career. How great was he? To have a big man in today's game who can do what Towns does is truly remarkable.

Finch is running to offense through Kat at times. He's a good passer and getting better. He rebounds and has guard skills for a big man.

People talk about trading Kat and I'm wondering, what in hell are they thinking?

[LesGrossman]

Remember when Kat was hurt and we coldn't win a game without him?

On the season Kat averages 25 pts, 11rebs and 5 asts per game. He shoots 48% from the field and almost 40% from 3. He makes 86% of his free throws. Why is that "fools gold"? Why would you want to move a player like that? I don't understand your thinking. Explain it to me.

Not only do I agree with everything you said, I want to add that when KAT is off the floor either because of foul trouble or resting, other teams pounce on us. KAT isn’t just a dynamic scorer who can rebound well and make a lot of good passes for every bad one, he is the 7 footer who can hit step back 3s and split the defense in the low post. KAT is one of the hardest bigs to scheme against and it creates so many open shots for guys like Dlo, MCD, Ant, Beasley, Nowell, ect...

KAT’s biggest weakness is his foul trouble which often comes from being too emotional. On the one hand I had hoped he would grow out of some of his issues. On the other hand, he just had one of the worst years a human being can go through. Losing his mother, losing six other family members, almost losing his father. If you read some of KAT’s comments about his own Covid infection he talks about nights were he thought he might die. KAT playing through all he has been through (especially at the level he is performing,) all while battling a very injured wrist is nothing short of miraculous. There is nothing foolish about his gold.

Right on all! The guy isn't perfect but no one is. We're lucky to have him. Keeping out of foul trouble and controlling his emotions are clearly a work in progress but Coach Finch will help him there I'm sure.

Look at how emotionally cool and collected Ant and McD are. Amazing for their age. Kat can learn from them too.

Think about this, Kevin Durant is a 38.4% 3 pt shooter career. I have the highest respect for KD. Kat is a 39.6% career 3 pt shooter. Even the great Reggie Miller shot only 39.5% from 3 career. How great was he? To have a big man in today's game who can do what Towns does is truly remarkable.

Finch is running to offense through Kat at times. He's a good passer and getting better. He rebounds and has guard skills for a big man.

People talk about trading Kat and I'm wondering, what in hell are they thinking?

"people" just have a different opinion. Maybe you are right, or maybe they ahve been around long enough to have seen enough KAT type guys to know where this is headed. Just to mention KAT in the same sentence as KD or Reggie makes me cringe. This isnt a computer game and its not at all as simple as "similar stats = similar player".

In other news...anyone heard from Kevin Love lately?

[winforlose]

Not only do I agree with everything you said, I want to add that when KAT is off the floor either because of foul trouble or resting, other teams pounce on us. KAT isn’t just a dynamic scorer who can rebound well and make a lot of good passes for every bad one, he is the 7 footer who can hit step back 3s and split the defense in the low post. KAT is one of the hardest bigs to scheme against and it creates so many open shots for guys like Dlo, MCD, Ant, Beasley, Nowell, ect...

KAT’s biggest weakness is his foul trouble which often comes from being too emotional. On the one hand I had hoped he would grow out of some of his issues. On the other hand, he just had one of the worst years a human being can go through. Losing his mother, losing six other family members, almost losing his father. If you read some of KAT’s comments about his own Covid infection he talks about nights were he thought he might die. KAT playing through all he has been through (especially at the level he is performing,) all while battling a very injured wrist is nothing short of miraculous. There is nothing foolish about his gold.

Right on all! The guy isn't perfect but no one is. We're lucky to have him. Keeping out of foul trouble and controlling his emotions are clearly a work in progress but Coach Finch will help him there I'm sure.

Look at how emotionally cool and collected Ant and McD are. Amazing for their age. Kat can learn from them too.

Think about this, Kevin Durant is a 38.4% 3 pt shooter career. I have the highest respect for KD. Kat is a 39.6% career 3 pt shooter. Even the great Reggie Miller shot only 39.5% from 3 career. How great was he? To have a big man in today's game who can do what Towns does is truly remarkable.

Finch is running to offense through Kat at times. He's a good passer and getting better. He rebounds and has guard skills for a big man.

People talk about trading Kat and I'm wondering, what in hell are they thinking?

"people" just have a different opinion. Maybe you are right, or maybe they ahve been around long enough to have seen enough KAT type guys to know where this is headed. Just to mention KAT in the same sentence as KD or Reggie makes me cringe. This isnt a computer game and its not at all as simple as "similar stats = similar player".

In other news...anyone heard from Kevin Love lately?

The fact that you think Love is a KAT type says it all. KAT types are Jokic, Embiid, AD. KAT has a lot of skills KG didn’t. KG wouldn’t have been KG in the modern NBA. Not unless he developed a long ball. 27.5% with 174 makes out of 632 attempts is not a great sign.

[packforfreedom]

Right on all! The guy isn't perfect but no one is. We're lucky to have him. Keeping out of foul trouble and controlling his emotions are clearly a work in progress but Coach Finch will help him there I'm sure.

Look at how emotionally cool and collected Ant and McD are. Amazing for their age. Kat can learn from them too.

Think about this, Kevin Durant is a 38.4% 3 pt shooter career. I have the highest respect for KD. Kat is a 39.6% career 3 pt shooter. Even the great Reggie Miller shot only 39.5% from 3 career. How great was he? To have a big man in today's game who can do what Towns does is truly remarkable.

Finch is running to offense through Kat at times. He's a good passer and getting better. He rebounds and has guard skills for a big man.

People talk about trading Kat and I'm wondering, what in hell are they thinking?

"people" just have a different opinion. Maybe you are right, or maybe they ahve been around long enough to have seen enough KAT type guys to know where this is headed. Just to mention KAT in the same sentence as KD or Reggie makes me cringe. This isnt a computer game and its not at all as simple as "similar stats = similar player".

In other news...anyone heard from Kevin Love lately?

The fact that you think Love is a KAT type says it all. KAT types are Jokic, Embiid, AD. KAT has a lot of skills KG didn’t. KG wouldn’t have been KG in the modern NBA. Not unless he developed a long ball. 27.5% with 174 makes out of 632 attempts is not a great sign.

KG was one of the GOAT very long 2 shooters among bigs. There's no question he would've become at least a decent 3 point shooters if he made it a focus.

[winforlose]

"people" just have a different opinion. Maybe you are right, or maybe they ahve been around long enough to have seen enough KAT type guys to know where this is headed. Just to mention KAT in the same sentence as KD or Reggie makes me cringe. This isnt a computer game and its not at all as simple as "similar stats = similar player".

In other news...anyone heard from Kevin Love lately?

The fact that you think Love is a KAT type says it all. KAT types are Jokic, Embiid, AD. KAT has a lot of skills KG didn’t. KG wouldn’t have been KG in the modern NBA. Not unless he developed a long ball. 27.5% with 174 makes out of 632 attempts is not a great sign.

KG was one of the GOAT very long 2 shooters among bigs. There's no question he would've become at least a decent 3 point shooters if he made it a focus.

1. KAT has almost as many career makes as KG had attempts.
2. KG shot 27.5% so there is a question.
3. KAT is elite among bigs from deep, to say KG could become decent is a totally irrelevant bench mark.

[LesGrossman]

The fact that you think Love is a KAT type says it all. KAT types are Jokic, Embiid, AD. KAT has a lot of skills KG didn’t. KG wouldn’t have been KG in the modern NBA. Not unless he developed a long ball. 27.5% with 174 makes out of 632 attempts is not a great sign.

KG was one of the GOAT very long 2 shooters among bigs. There's no question he would've become at least a decent 3 point shooters if he made it a focus.

1. KAT has almost as many career makes as KG had attempts.
2. KG shot 27.5% so there is a question.
3. KAT is elite among bigs from deep, to say KG could become decent is a totally irrelevant bench mark.

Are you serious? You really compare probably the best to ever play for Minnesota, a beast on both ends, a maniac who made it his mission to not allow anyone to score on his basket, to KAT? And try to tell us KAT is the superior player? Have you watched the Wolves when Love was here? Have you witnessed the hype around him?

KAT is a lot closer to Love than he is to any of the guys you mentioned; and you should simply be ashamed to compare him to KG, or even AD who was a top 5 player in the league a season ago and won a title (in my opinion as the key guy) because he is a fierce defender and not just a show boating one trick pony.

[Worm Guts]

KAT is a better offensive player than Garnett, Garnett was the better overall player. Both those things are fairly clear.

[LesGrossman]

KAT is a better offensive player than Garnett, Garnett was the better overall player. Both those things are fairly clear.

Its also fairly clear that by being the better player, he was more successful as well both individually (MVP nominations) and as a team player, with less help.

[winforlose]

Spoiler:

KAT is a better offensive player than Garnett, Garnett was the better overall player. Both those things are fairly clear.

Its also fairly clear that by being the better player, he was more successful as well both individually (MVP nominations) and as a team player, with less help.

KAT has been here 6 years. If he stays and tries to build something who knows what happens. As for your point about KG being more successful, KAT has had a lot more to deal with. KG never had a coach who refused to modernize and become a 3 point shooting team, KAT had 3 of them. Then when he gets a coach who wants to it is Ryan freaking Saunders. KG in the 03-04 campaign had both his support generals healthy, KAT lost Butler in 17-18 and dropped from 3rd seed to barely making the 8 seed. You can say that is sign KAT is unworthy, but he was a 3rd year player, it took KG must longer to get anywhere near that kind of team success.

Worm Guts said it perfectly above. Also, trying to compare players across generations is almost impossible. KAT has been almost exclusively in the era of the super team with a focus on 3 point shooting and fast pace. KG was an era of post ups, inside game, and slow pace. You really cannot properly compare, but if you want to, compare them by what they accomplished in the same number of seasons, not by career.

[LesGrossman]

Spoiler:

KAT is a better offensive player than Garnett, Garnett was the better overall player. Both those things are fairly clear.

Its also fairly clear that by being the better player, he was more successful as well both individually (MVP nominations) and as a team player, with less help.

KAT has been here 6 years. If he stays and tries to build something who knows what happens. As for your point about KG being more successful, KAT has had a lot more to deal with. KG never had a coach who refused to modernize and become a 3 point shooting team, KAT had 3 of them. Then when he gets a coach who wants to it is Ryan freaking Saunders. KG in the 03-04 campaign had both his support generals healthy, KAT lost Butler in 17-18 and dropped from 3rd seed to barely making the 8 seed. You can say that is sign KAT is unworthy, but he was a 3rd year player, it took KG must longer to get anywhere near that kind of team success.

Worm Guts said it perfectly above. Also, trying to compare players across generations is almost impossible. KAT has been almost exclusively in the era of the super team with a focus on 3 point shooting and fast pace. KG was an era of post ups, inside game, and slow pace. You really cannot properly compare, but if you want to, compare them by what they accomplished in the same number of seasons, not by career.

I'm not even thinking about all that. The main difference is, one is a fierce competitor with killer instinct and the other is a whiny flopper who thinks being #1 pick should mean he gets free throws whenever he asks for them. Noone with such a mind set has ever won (without a superteam around him anyway).

[Battletrigger]

The fact that you think Love is a KAT type says it all. KAT types are Jokic, Embiid, AD. KAT has a lot of skills KG didn’t. KG wouldn’t have been KG in the modern NBA. Not unless he developed a long ball. 27.5% with 174 makes out of 632 attempts is not a great sign.

KG was one of the GOAT very long 2 shooters among bigs. There's no question he would've become at least a decent 3 point shooters if he made it a focus.

1. KAT has almost as many career makes as KG had attempts.
2. KG shot 27.5% so there is a question.
3. KAT is elite among bigs from deep, to say KG could become decent is a totally irrelevant bench mark.

Have you seen KG play? Man, this is just crazy. KG would make KAT feel in his mother arms again and feeding him in the mouth.

KAT only is a better 3pt shooter than KG, if Kat would be the half of a player, the Wolves would make the PO this years and JB still be here.

[Neeva]

There was less talent in the league back then.

[Worm Guts]

KG was getting the same types of criticism at the end of his first stint in Minnesota.

[Battletrigger]

Spoiler:

KAT is a better offensive player than Garnett, Garnett was the better overall player. Both those things are fairly clear.

Its also fairly clear that by being the better player, he was more successful as well both individually (MVP nominations) and as a team player, with less help.

KAT has been here 6 years. If he stays and tries to build something who knows what happens. As for your point about KG being more successful, KAT has had a lot more to deal with. KG never had a coach who refused to modernize and become a 3 point shooting team, KAT had 3 of them. Then when he gets a coach who wants to it is Ryan freaking Saunders. KG in the 03-04 campaign had both his support generals healthy, KAT lost Butler in 17-18 and dropped from 3rd seed to barely making the 8 seed. You can say that is sign KAT is unworthy, but he was a 3rd year player, it took KG must longer to get anywhere near that kind of team success.

Worm Guts said it perfectly above. Also, trying to compare players across generations is almost impossible. KAT has been almost exclusively in the era of the super team with a focus on 3 point shooting and fast pace. KG was an era of post ups, inside game, and slow pace. You really cannot properly compare, but if you want to, compare them by what they accomplished in the same number of seasons, not by career.

I just realized that it's Sunday night, I am going to asume that you have drink too many beers and you have not to be ashamed tomorrow.

[winforlose]

Spoiler:

Its also fairly clear that by being the better player, he was more successful as well both individually (MVP nominations) and as a team player, with less help.

KAT has been here 6 years. If he stays and tries to build something who knows what happens. As for your point about KG being more successful, KAT has had a lot more to deal with. KG never had a coach who refused to modernize and become a 3 point shooting team, KAT had 3 of them. Then when he gets a coach who wants to it is Ryan freaking Saunders. KG in the 03-04 campaign had both his support generals healthy, KAT lost Butler in 17-18 and dropped from 3rd seed to barely making the 8 seed. You can say that is sign KAT is unworthy, but he was a 3rd year player, it took KG must longer to get anywhere near that kind of team success.

Worm Guts said it perfectly above. Also, trying to compare players across generations is almost impossible. KAT has been almost exclusively in the era of the super team with a focus on 3 point shooting and fast pace. KG was an era of post ups, inside game, and slow pace. You really cannot properly compare, but if you want to, compare them by what they accomplished in the same number of seasons, not by career.

I just realized that it's Sunday night, I am going to asume that you have drink too many beers and you have not to be ashamed tomorrow.

KAT at 25 and six seasons in being compared to KG and his 12 before leaving is not a fair comparison. KAT in the era of super teams, 3 point shooting, and euro 4s vs KG in the era of slower pace, focus on low post play, and the old school mentality is not a fair comparison. Simple as that.

Personally I don’t think KG would be a superstar in this decade, but KAT wouldn’t be nearly as good in the KG era. Players are shaped by the era they grow up in.

[Battletrigger]

Jimmy Butler is considered a superstar and has a 3p% of 32 in his career and 24 this year. This is not a video game, a player is only valued for his stats if you don't see him play. And we have had many empty stats guys here.