Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition)

[moonpie]

There is a connection between Morey and Houston, but I'm not sure it's in a good state right now lol.

[Klomp]

Klomp - hilarious. lol.

I'm aware it seems crazy. It probably is. But all it takes is one GM who believes in Wall.

There's plenty of people who think putting a "star" pricetag on Simmons is crazy too. But again, all it takes is one. And in any three-team scenario, it needs to be someone willing to take a bag of picks and prospects. Houston seems to fit the bill there.

So what it comes down to are the opinions of Simmons and the opinions of Wall in the respective front offices. Maybe they aren't close. But maybe they are.

[jpatrick]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264080/John-Wall-Rockets-To-Work-Together-On-Trade

There is our 3rd team. And there's connections b/w Morey, Rockets and Rosa's. They just need to help other out.

Any team taking Wall would require picks just to take on Wall. On top of what you’re actually trading for Simmons.

[Krapinsky]

Honestly, please pass me whatever you guys are smoking

[IceManBK1]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264080/John-Wall-Rockets-To-Work-Together-On-Trade

There is our 3rd team. And there's connections b/w Morey, Rockets and Rosa's. They just need to help other out.

Any team taking Wall would require picks just to take on Wall. On top of what you’re actually trading for Simmons.

He might be best asset Phil can get at this point. Young players go to Houston. And Wall and picks go to philly. And Simmons to Min.

[Krapinsky]

Guys -- where have you been for last 5 years. Wall is one of the worst players/contracts in the NBA.

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[SO_MONEY]

One would think that if Brogdon report was false, Indiana would have come out vehemently denying it, but that didn't happen.

Respectfully, I don't think you know how being a stalking horse works in this capacity. IND isn't going to dispute it if they let Philly put out a deal that doesn't actually exist, they are letting Philly use them. This stuff happens all the time. In the business world there are advantages to acting as a stalking horse, with sports it might just be more about cultivating working relationships that may or may not have rewards down the road.

[Klomp]

Guys -- where have you been for last 5 years. Wall is one of the worst players/contracts in the NBA.

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And not too long ago, Chris Paul was on that list.

[Krapinsky]

Guys -- where have you been for last 5 years. Wall is one of the worst players/contracts in the NBA.

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And not too long ago, Chris Paul was on that list.

Yeah, and future hall of famer Chris Paul took his team to the final last year and wasn't traded for a star player. Do you have a point?

[Krapinsky]

One would think that if Brogdon report was false, Indiana would have come out vehemently denying it, but that didn't happen.

Respectfully, I don't think you know how being a stalking horse works in this capacity. IND isn't going to dispute it if they let Philly put out a deal that doesn't actually exist, they are letting Philly use them. This stuff happens all the time. In the business world there are advantages to acting as a stalking horse, with sports it might just be more about cultivating working relationships that may or may not have rewards down the road.

Respectfully, this is a lot of mental gymnastics you have going on here.

[Krapinsky]

It should be noted that Brogdon's name has continued to pop up in the rumor mill since the trade deadline last year, including discussions with Atlanta and NOP.

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/24/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-latest-buzz-intel

"· Atlanta has discussed deals for Malcolm Brogdon, but Brogdon’s contract (he is owed $44 million over the next two seasons) and injury history make a deal unlikely."

https://clutchpoints.com/pacers-rumors-lonzo-ball-for-malcolm-brogdon-trade-brewing/

https://sports.yahoo.com/pacers-listening-to-pitches-on-malcolm-brogdon-and-domantas-sabonis-could-be-next-152738942.html

[Wolveswin]

To Rockets: Harris + Beverley + Rights to Bolmaro

To 76ers: Beasley + Wall + Wood + Wolves 1sts

To Wolves: Simmons + 76ers Filler

76ers get a guard — albeit resurrection project — who either pulls a Chris Paul or is expiring 2022 offseason when Dame or Beal might actually be available.

Embiid
Wood
Green
Beasley
Wall

[SO_MONEY]

One would think that if Brogdon report was false, Indiana would have come out vehemently denying it, but that didn't happen.

Respectfully, I don't think you know how being a stalking horse works in this capacity. IND isn't going to dispute it if they let Philly put out a deal that doesn't actually exist, they are letting Philly use them. This stuff happens all the time. In the business world there are advantages to acting as a stalking horse, with sports it might just be more about cultivating working relationships that may or may not have rewards down the road.

Respectfully, this is a lot of mental gymnastics you have going on here.

It really isn't.

In fact it isn't at all.

We know this happens, it happens all the time. This isn't exactly complex or out of the ordinary. Should we entertain the lessons of the past, this is likely the stalking horse bid if one exists.

I really don't care if you think I am wrong... You could however make that case differently.

[moonpie]

Just Wall by himself makes it hard to do a trade, but if the Sixers and Rockets were willing to swap Tobias for Christian Wood as an extension of the deal (of course Tobias could be routed to a 4th team)...hmm.

[zDank]

I actually could see a John Wall for Tobias Harris swap going down inside the Ben Simmons trade. Harris is also regarded as one of the worst contracts in the league and Wall would fill a position of greater need for the Sixers, plus Wall’s contract is a year shorter so if Portland decides to blow it up next offseason John Walls expiring may have some value.

Min: Ben Simmons

Phil: John Wall, Malik Beasley, Taurean Prince, Jae’Sean Tate, 2 1st and 2 1st swaps

Hou: Tobias Harris, Jake Layman, 2 2nds

[Wolveswin]

Just Wall by himself makes it hard to do a trade, but if the Sixers and Rockets were willing to swap Tobias for Christian Wood as an extension of the deal (of course Tobias could be routed to a 4th team)...hmm.

I don’t think Tobias would be routed to 4th team. Rockets would love to showcase him (ala Wood) on bad team as the lead scorer and “the man.” Probably as early as 2023 trade deadline he would be worth something.

[moonpie]

Just Wall by himself makes it hard to do a trade, but if the Sixers and Rockets were willing to swap Tobias for Christian Wood as an extension of the deal (of course Tobias could be routed to a 4th team)...hmm.

I don’t think Tobias would be routed to 4th team. Rockets would love to showcase him (ala Wood) on bad team as the lead scorer and “the man.” Probably as early as 2023 trade deadline he would be worth something.

Could see that as well since they have other young guys at 4/5 they would like to get minutes for and Tobias can play SF for them

[Note30]

If training camp for the 6ers is the 28th, do you think the pressure is on? Or do you think they will call Ben's bluff?

[Krapinsky]

Respectfully, I don't think you know how being a stalking horse works in this capacity. IND isn't going to dispute it if they let Philly put out a deal that doesn't actually exist, they are letting Philly use them. This stuff happens all the time. In the business world there are advantages to acting as a stalking horse, with sports it might just be more about cultivating working relationships that may or may not have rewards down the road.

Respectfully, this is a lot of mental gymnastics you have going on here.

It really isn't.

In fact it isn't at all.

We know this happens, it happens all the time. This isn't exactly complex or out of the ordinary. Should we entertain the lessons of the past, this is likely the stalking horse bid if one exists.

I really don't care if you think I am wrong... You could however make that case differently.

Door 1. Believe the actual report.

Indiana, who has been shopping Brogdon according to reports, offered Brogdon and a first for Simmons as reported. Morey turned it down believing he could get a better deal elsewhere with eyes set on Damian Lillard who was reported to be unhappy in Portland. Brogdon has been shopped since the trade deadline so it's not surprising that Indiana would be quick to offer him for Simmons.

Door 2. Believe So Money.

The 76ers and Pacers reach a secret understanding to use one of the Pacers star players as a stalking horse to set Simmons' trade value by leaking a fake trade offer to a local media person covering the 76ers. The 76ers gleefully lie to the media person covering their team. To the contrary of actual reports, the Pacers are not interested in Simmons at all and prefer Brogdon. However, they don't mind having one of their best players -- who they prefer to keep over Simmons -- thrown in the rumor mill, thus lowering Brogdon's trade value for being shopped and potentially upsetting one of their star players. The 76ers do the Pacers this purported favor despite the fact that they both compete in the East and expect to be jockeying for playoff position next year. The Pacers hope that by helping an Eastern rival increase the trade value of their star player, in turn, their Eastern rival returns the favor some day whenever such an opportunity presents itself.


Yeah, I'll go with Door 1.

[moonpie]

3 team framework with Houston?

MIN in: Ben Simmons

HOU in: Tobias Harris, Taurean Prince, multiple 1sts from the Wolves

PHI in: Christian Wood, John Wall, Malik Beasley