The official Josh Minott thread

[BlacJacMac]

So much for a two way or Gupta Special. Recognizing we got a first round talent in the second we were happy to lock him in.

This is a Gupta special deal.

Rumored that 2 years aren't fully guaranteed as well.

I thought a Gupta special was at the absolute minimum allowed by NBA rules which this is not. I saw nothing about any of the contract not being guaranteed, but I also saw nothing about any of it being guaranteed.

It's virtually identical to the Naz Reid contract (adjusted for 3 years of cap increases). It's totally a "Hinkie/Gupta Special":

Naz Reid signed a 4 year / $6,129,593 contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves, including $4,198,912 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $1,532,398.

What makes it a "special" is that it's a 2+2 contract instead of the standard 2 year 2nd round pick contract. That gives us total control and full Bird Rights, so if he blows up, we're not just developing him for his 2nd team.

Also From Canis Hoopus:

• Minott’s deal is using the MLE, which allows a maximum of four years on the contract, with 5% annual raises. Because of this, the remaining $1.5 million ($6.8 million reported in total value - $5.3 million in cap hits) in his contract probably is in unlikely incentives (which do not count against the cap unless they are reached). Considering Minott will not play much, I’d bet the Wolves made those incentive requirements essentially unattainable.

• The first two years of Minott’s deal are fully guaranteed, while the final two years are either partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2022/7/16/23235193/shams-timberwolves-josh-minott-agree-to-four-year-6-8-million-deal#comments

[KGdaBom]

This is a Gupta special deal.

Rumored that 2 years aren't fully guaranteed as well.

I thought a Gupta special was at the absolute minimum allowed by NBA rules which this is not. I saw nothing about any of the contract not being guaranteed, but I also saw nothing about any of it being guaranteed.

It's virtually identical to the Naz Reid contract (adjusted for 3 years of cap increases). It's totally a "Hinkie/Gupta Special":

Naz Reid signed a 4 year / $6,129,593 contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves, including $4,198,912 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $1,532,398.

What makes it a "special" is that it's a 2+2 contract instead of the standard 2 year 2nd round pick contract. That gives us total control and full Bird Rights, so if he blows up, we're not just developing him for his 2nd team.

Also From Canis Hoopus:

• Minott’s deal is using the MLE, which allows a maximum of four years on the contract, with 5% annual raises. Because of this, the remaining $1.5 million ($6.8 million reported in total value - $5.3 million in cap hits) in his contract probably is in unlikely incentives (which do not count against the cap unless they are reached). Considering Minott will not play much, I’d bet the Wolves made those incentive requirements essentially unattainable.

• The first two years of Minott’s deal are fully guaranteed, while the final two years are either partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2022/7/16/23235193/shams-timberwolves-josh-minott-agree-to-four-year-6-8-million-deal#comments

What I responded to was a 4 year contract at above the minimum. I thought both of those disqualified it from being a Gupta special. I now learn it's a team option on years 3 and 4 and I guess that Gupta specials don't need to be at the minimum.

[Nick K]

Another super smart move by the FO. I don't if I can stand another great move.

It's too weird. It so rarely happened before.

[winforlose]

Another super smart move by the FO. I don't if I can stand another great move.

It's too weird. It so rarely happened before.

Great coach and competent front office. I could get used to this.

[Shaka_Zulu]

This is gonna be a bargain contract if this kid develops properly. He has the talent and the ridiculous energetic style to become quite the player in few years.

[winforlose]

This is gonna be a bargain contract if this kid develops properly. He has the talent and the ridiculous energetic style to become quite the player in few years.

If his floor is V8 and his ceiling is MCD I say 45 was a steal. If his floor is higher than V8 and his ceiling is higher than MCD we hit a home run.

[shrink]

Good job by Minott and his agent to get the second year fully guaranteed.

I think both Naz and Nowell’s deals were only guaranteed for Year One, and the last three were unguaranteed team options.

[winforlose]

Good job by Minott and his agent to get the second year fully guaranteed.

I think both Naz and Nowell’s deals were only guaranteed for Year One, and the last three were unguaranteed team options.

With a guy like Minott you would be crazy to fight over year 2. He needs a full year just to develop. He only averaged 14 minutes in college, and is only 19. He has a lot to learn and a lot of natural bulking up to do.

[Dewey]

This is a Gupta special deal.

Rumored that 2 years aren't fully guaranteed as well.

I thought a Gupta special was at the absolute minimum allowed by NBA rules which this is not. I saw nothing about any of the contract not being guaranteed, but I also saw nothing about any of it being guaranteed.

It's virtually identical to the Naz Reid contract (adjusted for 3 years of cap increases). It's totally a "Hinkie/Gupta Special":

Naz Reid signed a 4 year / $6,129,593 contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves, including $4,198,912 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $1,532,398.

What makes it a "special" is that it's a 2+2 contract instead of the standard 2 year 2nd round pick contract. That gives us total control and full Bird Rights, so if he blows up, we're not just developing him for his 2nd team.

Also From Canis Hoopus:

• Minott’s deal is using the MLE, which allows a maximum of four years on the contract, with 5% annual raises. Because of this, the remaining $1.5 million ($6.8 million reported in total value - $5.3 million in cap hits) in his contract probably is in unlikely incentives (which do not count against the cap unless they are reached). Considering Minott will not play much, I’d bet the Wolves made those incentive requirements essentially unattainable.

• The first two years of Minott’s deal are fully guaranteed, while the final two years are either partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2022/7/16/23235193/shams-timberwolves-josh-minott-agree-to-four-year-6-8-million-deal#comments

That’s a pretty sweet deal for a raw prospect … gets $1.6m per year for developing his game and proving his worth … just hope he takes it serious and makes it happen.

[younggunsmn]

This is a Gupta special deal.

Rumored that 2 years aren't fully guaranteed as well.

I thought a Gupta special was at the absolute minimum allowed by NBA rules which this is not. I saw nothing about any of the contract not being guaranteed, but I also saw nothing about any of it being guaranteed.

It's virtually identical to the Naz Reid contract (adjusted for 3 years of cap increases). It's totally a "Hinkie/Gupta Special":

Naz Reid signed a 4 year / $6,129,593 contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves, including $4,198,912 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $1,532,398.

What makes it a "special" is that it's a 2+2 contract instead of the standard 2 year 2nd round pick contract. That gives us total control and full Bird Rights, so if he blows up, we're not just developing him for his 2nd team.

Also From Canis Hoopus:

• Minott’s deal is using the MLE, which allows a maximum of four years on the contract, with 5% annual raises. Because of this, the remaining $1.5 million ($6.8 million reported in total value - $5.3 million in cap hits) in his contract probably is in unlikely incentives (which do not count against the cap unless they are reached). Considering Minott will not play much, I’d bet the Wolves made those incentive requirements essentially unattainable.

• The first two years of Minott’s deal are fully guaranteed, while the final two years are either partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed.

https://www.canishoopus.com/2022/7/16/23235193/shams-timberwolves-josh-minott-agree-to-four-year-6-8-million-deal#comments

The reason the cap hit would only be 5.3 million on a 6.8 million deal is likely because the NBA offsets the part above the minimum salary above a 2 year veteran. So in years 3 and 4 the NBA picks up part of the tab and doesn't hold it against our cap for a minimum deal. Not sure if this deal will qualify for that but my instinct is yes.
Nowell's deal was unique in that the first year started above the rookie vet minimum. But those negotiations drug out.



Unlikely incentives is bad armchair speculation. 5.3 mil over 4 years would be less than the minimum salary thats not possible to work incentives into it would be like paying someone minimum wage with incentives for part of it.

Well they really like him if they are giving him 2 guaranteed years. Was not sure he'd get more than a 2 way.
Will have to see what shakes out after roster cutdowns for the 2 ways, be nice to get some developmental guys, be great to get at least one big.

[Klomp]

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[Rookie-Mistake]

This is a good deal.
I can see his potential.

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[winforlose]

Couple things. First the commentary on this video is nothing special. You can mute it and not really miss anything. Second, some of you probably have seen these clips elsewhere, but taken together they paint a good picture. Finally, after watching this ask yourself how this kid averaged only 14 minutes a game in college.

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[shrink]

I listened to Hollinger and Duncan assessment of summer league, and was happy when Hollinger named Minott for the category, “someone I was right about, that others gave me grief over” - or words to that effect. He had Minott 10th in his pre-draft ratings.

[KGdaBom]

I listened to Hollinger and Duncan assessment of summer league, and was happy when Hollinger named Minott for the category, “someone I was right about, that others gave me grief over” - or words to that effect. He had Minott 10th in his pre-draft ratings.

Awesome! However, everybody here thinks he's just a G League guy this year. I say he spends time in the NBA. Maybe a lot of time in the NBA.

[fattymcgee]

I listened to Hollinger and Duncan assessment of summer league, and was happy when Hollinger named Minott for the category, “someone I was right about, that others gave me grief over” - or words to that effect. He had Minott 10th in his pre-draft ratings.

Awesome! However, everybody here thinks he's just a G League guy this year. I say he spends time in the NBA. Maybe a lot of time in the NBA.

He might only be a g-league guy this year with the depth we have which is totally fine by me. Too many people expect rookies to be good right away and then label them as a bust right away. There have been plenty of stars who took years to make an impact.
I'd be surprised if he gets any time other than garbage time but would be stoked if he played well enough to get some time.

[minimus]

I listened to Hollinger and Duncan assessment of summer league, and was happy when Hollinger named Minott for the category, “someone I was right about, that others gave me grief over” - or words to that effect. He had Minott 10th in his pre-draft ratings.

Awesome! However, everybody here thinks he's just a G League guy this year. I say he spends time in the NBA. Maybe a lot of time in the NBA.

He might only be a g-league guy this year with the depth we have which is totally fine by me. Too many people expect rookies to be good right away and then label them as a bust right away. There have been plenty of stars who took years to make an impact.
I'd be surprised if he gets any time other than garbage time but would be stoked if he played well enough to get some time.

Everytime when I hear Minott speaking I understand how young he is. Let him mature, learn how to be professional, take care of his body, learn how to play organised basketball.

[Colbinii]

I didn't realize Hollinger had him 10 or 11 on his board. Not saying he is perfect as a draft expert but it was surprising to me. He was also high on Sengun in 2021 [as was I!].

[Klomp]

There are a lot of SF/PF bodies in front of him on a team that will un a bigger lineup for a good chunk of the time in games and also has the likelihood of running out three-guard looks at times.

[Klomp]

So all the talk of missing the Vando/Bev types with their energy got me thinking....that may be the way this kid finds himself shooting up the depth chart quicker than many of us expected if he develops like we think he could. His skill sets are exactly what the rotation needs in terms of his energy and nose for the ball.