2023 Free Agency

[Mattya]

And the opposite on offense.

Where are you gonna find elite level offense for anywhere close to what we can offer?

My answer would be not to aim for elite on one side of the ball. I'll take more balanced over being all-in on either side.

Who are those players in free agency?

[Nick K]

I think NAW is a must sign. I thought he was a free agent and would sign for 3-5 million. He loves it here and we gave him a new lease on life.

I like Prince but now for 7 mil. Nate Knight is getting 2 mil so I'd try to move both those guys.

[Note30]

The PG market is pretty rough and looks like it will continue to be pretty rough for the next few years.

Unfortunately we need a PG.

I see three options.

1.) Go into the tax for a 3 year deal offer all 11.6 million to Tre Jones, pray SAS doesn't match.
2.) Call Washington and try to trade Prince for Monte Morris or Tyus or considering parting with Conley for both. Spend our MLE on a Prince replacement.
3) Spend all of our MLE on a one year rental (i.e. a Schroeder, Westbrook,etc) and hope to figure it out next offseason with our draft pick and a resigned Conley on a team friendly deal.

[shrink]

The PG market is pretty rough and looks like it will continue to be pretty rough for the next few years.

Unfortunately we need a PG.

I see three options.

1.) Go into the tax for a 3 year deal offer all 11.6 million to Tre Jones, pray SAS doesn't match.
2.) Call Washington and try to trade Prince for Monte Morris or Tyus or considering parting with Conley for both. Spend our MLE on a Prince replacement.
3) Spend all of our MLE on a one year rental (i.e. a Schroeder, Westbrook,etc) and hope to figure it out next offseason with our draft pick and a resigned Conley on a team friendly deal.

Good post, Note.

1 and 3 don’t get enough attention, as we tend to look at the luxury threshold as some impenetrable barrier that we can’t breach this summer. However, payroll for lux taxes is based on a team’s roster on the LAST day of the season and not the FIRST. (And this is something that should be kept in mind when we talk about next year’s lux issues as well). And moreover, while it would be expensive down the road to end this season over the lux, it’s not the end of the world financially, especially if we are contending.

I still lean towards #2, but #1 and #3 deserve consideration.

[Baseline81]

The PG market is pretty rough and looks like it will continue to be pretty rough for the next few years.

Unfortunately we need a PG.

I see three options.

1.) Go into the tax for a 3 year deal offer all 11.6 million to Tre Jones, pray SAS doesn't match.
2.) Call Washington and try to trade Prince for Monte Morris or Tyus or considering parting with Conley for both. Spend our MLE on a Prince replacement.
3) Spend all of our MLE on a one year rental (i.e. a Schroeder, Westbrook,etc) and hope to figure it out next offseason with our draft pick and a resigned Conley on a team friendly deal.

I've brought this up before, however, folks continue to overlook the Magic as a trade partner. By drafting Black, Orlando has to rid itself of a PG -- Anthony, Fultz or Suggs.

[younggunsmn]

The PG market is pretty rough and looks like it will continue to be pretty rough for the next few years.

Unfortunately we need a PG.

I see three options.

1.) Go into the tax for a 3 year deal offer all 11.6 million to Tre Jones, pray SAS doesn't match.
2.) Call Washington and try to trade Prince for Monte Morris or Tyus or considering parting with Conley for both. Spend our MLE on a Prince replacement.
3) Spend all of our MLE on a one year rental (i.e. a Schroeder, Westbrook,etc) and hope to figure it out next offseason with our draft pick and a resigned Conley on a team friendly deal.

4) Sign the best backup PG you can find and punt until next year.
Re-sign Conley at a reduced salary and hope to draft a PG or find one on the trade/FA market.

If Tyus is the diet coke of PGs, Monte Morris is the diet walmart cola. Just don't like the value/$ spent.
We got torched by someone named Skylar Mays against Portland last year and he had pretty good stats over 6 games.
Hopefully the scouts earn their money and we find a diamond in the rough as a 2 way or emergency backup.

Long term, I think best avenue is eventual KAT trade and then the draft.
MLE PGs are not starter material most of the time.

Suggs is intriguing on Orlando as a backup but what are we willing to give up that they actually want?
prince salary matches him.

[Note30]

The PG market is pretty rough and looks like it will continue to be pretty rough for the next few years.

Unfortunately we need a PG.

I see three options.

1.) Go into the tax for a 3 year deal offer all 11.6 million to Tre Jones, pray SAS doesn't match.
2.) Call Washington and try to trade Prince for Monte Morris or Tyus or considering parting with Conley for both. Spend our MLE on a Prince replacement.
3) Spend all of our MLE on a one year rental (i.e. a Schroeder, Westbrook,etc) and hope to figure it out next offseason with our draft pick and a resigned Conley on a team friendly deal.

I've brought this up before, however, folks continue to overlook the Magic as a trade partner. By drafting Black, Orlando has to rid itself of a PG -- Anthony, Fultz or Suggs.

I guess I was thinking we go after Washington because they have PGs that take care of the ball, facilitate the offense, and can shoot.

I think Orlando is a solid trade partner I don't think they would give up Anthony. Suggs and Fultz are good players but are prone to turnovers and don't really have super high AST%. I'm not saying not to go after them, the question on my end is more from a fit perspective. Suggs is a solid defender, but his offensive game leaves something to be desired. Fultz is a decent offensive player but isn't a great shooter.

Based on how Conley has played and this boards love for Tyus, and our roster construction, maybe I'm biased, but I always imagined our ideal PG of the future to have three main attributes.
1.) Can facilitate the game but can also handle the ball well.
2.) Can shoot the ball well enough in a catch Iand shoot or 1 dribble pullup.
3.) Can play passable or above average defense.

If they can score the hell out of the ball, are amazing PoA defenders, or can rebound the hell out of the ball, that's all gravy.

But I feel like those are the things we should look for given our roster construction.

[Note30]

The PG market is pretty rough and looks like it will continue to be pretty rough for the next few years.

Unfortunately we need a PG.

I see three options.

1.) Go into the tax for a 3 year deal offer all 11.6 million to Tre Jones, pray SAS doesn't match.
2.) Call Washington and try to trade Prince for Monte Morris or Tyus or considering parting with Conley for both. Spend our MLE on a Prince replacement.
3) Spend all of our MLE on a one year rental (i.e. a Schroeder, Westbrook,etc) and hope to figure it out next offseason with our draft pick and a resigned Conley on a team friendly deal.

4) Sign the best backup PG you can find and punt until next year.
Re-sign Conley at a reduced salary and hope to draft a PG or find one on the trade/FA market.

If Tyus is the diet coke of PGs, Monte Morris is the diet walmart cola. Just don't like the value/$ spent.
We got torched by someone named Skylar Mays against Portland last year and he had pretty good stats over 6 games.
Hopefully the scouts earn their money and we find a diamond in the rough as a 2 way or emergency backup.

Long term, I think best avenue is eventual KAT trade and then the draft.
MLE PGs are not starter material most of the time.

Suggs is intriguing on Orlando as a backup but what are we willing to give up that they actually want?
prince salary matches him.

That's covered under 3 lol.

I mean I can get behind that but I guess it's the bigger question of roster construction like in my earlier post. Trading Towns changes all of that if we do it. I like the idea of signing the best guy we can get for 1 year and trying to draft + resign Conley as well ftr.

[Note30]

The PG market is pretty rough and looks like it will continue to be pretty rough for the next few years.

Unfortunately we need a PG.

I see three options.

1.) Go into the tax for a 3 year deal offer all 11.6 million to Tre Jones, pray SAS doesn't match.
2.) Call Washington and try to trade Prince for Monte Morris or Tyus or considering parting with Conley for both. Spend our MLE on a Prince replacement.
3) Spend all of our MLE on a one year rental (i.e. a Schroeder, Westbrook,etc) and hope to figure it out next offseason with our draft pick and a resigned Conley on a team friendly deal.

Good post, Note.

1 and 3 don’t get enough attention, as we tend to look at the luxury threshold as some impenetrable barrier that we can’t breach this summer. However, payroll for lux taxes is based on a team’s roster on the LAST day of the season and not the FIRST. (And this is something that should be kept in mind when we talk about next year’s lux issues as well). And moreover, while it would be expensive down the road to end this season over the lux, it’s not the end of the world financially, especially if we are contending.

I still lean towards #2, but #1 and #3 deserve consideration.

I agree.

[Krapinsky]

The PG market is pretty rough and looks like it will continue to be pretty rough for the next few years.

Unfortunately we need a PG.

I see three options.

1.) Go into the tax for a 3 year deal offer all 11.6 million to Tre Jones, pray SAS doesn't match.
2.) Call Washington and try to trade Prince for Monte Morris or Tyus or considering parting with Conley for both. Spend our MLE on a Prince replacement.
3) Spend all of our MLE on a one year rental (i.e. a Schroeder, Westbrook,etc) and hope to figure it out next offseason with our draft pick and a resigned Conley on a team friendly deal.

4) Sign the best backup PG you can find and punt until next year.
Re-sign Conley at a reduced salary and hope to draft a PG or find one on the trade/FA market.

If Tyus is the diet coke of PGs, Monte Morris is the diet walmart cola. Just don't like the value/$ spent.
We got torched by someone named Skylar Mays against Portland last year and he had pretty good stats over 6 games.
Hopefully the scouts earn their money and we find a diamond in the rough as a 2 way or emergency backup.

Long term, I think best avenue is eventual KAT trade and then the draft.
MLE PGs are not starter material most of the time.

Suggs is intriguing on Orlando as a backup but what are we willing to give up that they actually want?
prince salary matches him.

This is my thinking as well. There are no long term solutions out there, so why force it? Our future point guard will likely come through the draft or as a center piece of an eventual KAT or Gobert trade.

[wolves_89]

Another PG option would be to see if Pat Beverley would come back for the vet minimum ($3.2M that counts as $2M against the luxury tax). I think this team could really use Beverley to help keep the team in focus and hopefully avoid going 7-13 against the bottom 7 teams in the league. I'd be willing to live with the craziness of the PatBev experience if he can keep the team motivated.

[minimus]

Another PG option would be to see if Pat Beverley would come back for the vet minimum ($3.2M that counts as $2M against the luxury tax). I think this team could really use Beverley to help keep the team in focus and hopefully avoid going 7-13 against the bottom 7 teams in the league. I'd be willing to live with the craziness of the PatBev experience if he can keep the team motivated.

Completely forgot about this... Although I would prefer a young PG who can learn from Conley.

[wolves_89]

Another PG option would be to see if Pat Beverley would come back for the vet minimum ($3.2M that counts as $2M against the luxury tax). I think this team could really use Beverley to help keep the team in focus and hopefully avoid going 7-13 against the bottom 7 teams in the league. I'd be willing to live with the craziness of the PatBev experience if he can keep the team motivated.

Completely forgot about this... Although I would prefer a young PG who can learn from Conley.

A young PG would be ideal, but I just don't see any good options that the Wolves could afford (no 1st round picks to trade and very limited money to spend on a free agent).

[life_saver]

Bruce Brown would be a great get

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[moss_is_1]

Bruce Brown is absolutely option #1, would be amazing for us. Defense, energy, can score, I'd be just as esthetic to get him as when we got Slomo last year. If we have to cut Prince to get him, oh well. Prince is a good player, and like him on the team but he's in a log jam at that 3 and 4 spot. Brown fills a bigger need.

[Klomp]

At this point, I’m expecting Prince to be moved on. It’s the continuing of Connelly putting his own stamp on the roster.

[Mattya]

If you can get Bruce Brown you gotta get him. I expect him to get more than we can offer.

[karch34]

At this point, I’m expecting Prince to be moved on. It’s the continuing of Connelly putting his own stamp on the roster.

Me too. I think the value is very good at $7m, but when you're looking at it we've already committed the front court to KAT, Naz, and Rudy so Kyle who we have to keep IMO moves to primarily 3, which is where Prince would be. So it's more the roster balance than ability to help the team.

[TimberKat]

At this point, I’m expecting Prince to be moved on. It’s the continuing of Connelly putting his own stamp on the roster.

Me too. I think the value is very good at $7m, but when you're looking at it we've already committed the front court to KAT, Naz, and Rudy so Kyle who we have to keep IMO moves to primarily 3, which is where Prince would be. So it's more the roster balance than ability to help the team.

Worst part about TP is he is both unavailable and a log jam at the same time. It is arguable that he cost us a round of playoff with that headless pass against Bulls. Think about all those butterfly affect of that win. NOP game may not be so intense. JMcD may not fight the wall...

I posted before, you can easily replace his productivity with a low cost Watanabe.

[Krapinsky]

Bruce Brown would be a great get

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Divincenzo a nice option as well.