Rotation thread 2024/2025

[KGdaBom]

Can you imagine getting another 2 solid rotation pieces? We'd be 10 deep.

Conley, Ant, Jaden, Naz, Rudy.
RD, NAW, TSJ, Ingles
2-3 from KAT trade

We might already be 10 deep.

[BlacJacMac]

Would you rather have KAT or NAZ and NAW? I think the rotation is better with the latter...+ returns on KAT.

It all depends on what we get for KAT.

KAT alone is better than NAZ+NAW because 1 star always beats out two very good roleplayers.

And its going to be tricky because if what we get for KAT isn't a significant enough savings, we likely still lose NAZ and NAW.

[jpatrick]

Would you rather have KAT or NAZ and NAW? I think the rotation is better with the latter...+ returns on KAT.

It all depends on what we get for KAT.

KAT alone is better than NAZ+NAW because 1 star always beats out two very good roleplayers.

And its going to be tricky because if what we get for KAT isn't a significant enough savings, we likely still lose NAZ and NAW.

I know it’s probably not possible because it would require a third team but this is why I would be such a proponent of a KAT for Lauri trade, especially if we could get Kessler back (Gobert is 32). Lauri is close to KAT’s level and may, in some ways, be better for what we need out of that position.

However, it’s more finances where Lauri would be a huge benefit. Although he may cost close, but still less, than KAT eventually, this year he makes 18m. I don’t think mgmt minds going over the second apron for one year but no way for two years as penalties (money and other) build. So putting that off for a year would be huge. It also gets us closer to the end of Gobert’s contract. Hopefully, this would be enough for us to pay up for NAW/Naz.

[DaMplsKid]

Here is my rotation as of July 2024:

PG: Conley (24) Dilly(24)
SG: Edwards (34) NAW(14)
SF McDaniels (28) NAW (8) Shannon (7) Joe (5)
PF: Towns (20) Naz(18) Joe(10)
C: Rudy(32) Towns (10) Naz (6)

Something like this. I could see Dilly going down to 15-18mins but I really want to limit Conley this year. I would also like to see Miller and Garza get minutes when we give Towns and Rudys nights off on back to back.

I think this is pretty solid. Ideally Shannon progresses fast enough to eat into NAW's minutes.

I don't think NAW minutes will drop much from last year. Finch and the team already know they can trust him plus I think he can still improve in some areas. The guy shot almost 40% from 3 and doesn't turn the ball over.

If Shannon minutes do increase I think it will be Dilly or Conley (if we are trying to rest him during the year).
I think 24min for a rookie PG who has a long ways to go on defense for a championship win now team might be a little much. Just looked it up and Maxey was 15 min pg his rookie year. Real wish we had a veteran 3rd PG we can trust of the roster.

[KGdaBom]

Here is my rotation as of July 2024:

PG: Conley (24) Dilly(24)
SG: Edwards (34) NAW(14)
SF McDaniels (28) NAW (8) Shannon (7) Joe (5)
PF: Towns (20) Naz(18) Joe(10)
C: Rudy(32) Towns (10) Naz (6)

Something like this. I could see Dilly going down to 15-18mins but I really want to limit Conley this year. I would also like to see Miller and Garza get minutes when we give Towns and Rudys nights off on back to back.

I think this is pretty solid. Ideally Shannon progresses fast enough to eat into NAW's minutes.

I don't think NAW minutes will drop much from last year. Finch and the team already know they can trust him plus I think he can still improve in some areas. The guy shot almost 40% from 3 and doesn't turn the ball over.

If Shannon minutes do increase I think it will be Dilly or Conley (if we are trying to rest him during the year).
I think 24min for a rookie PG who has a long ways to go on defense for a championship win now team might be a little much. Just looked it up and Maxey was 15 min pg his rookie year. Real wish we had a veteran 3rd PG we can trust of the roster.

I don't see Dilly getting 24, but I do see him getting 20. This season is going to be fun.

[Klomp]

Conley (26) / Dillingham (22)
Edwards (32) / Alexander-Walker (16)
McDaniels (30) / Alexander-Walker (10) / Ingles (8)
Towns (16) / Reid (26) / Ingles (6)
Gobert (32) / Towns (16)

Edwards 32
Towns 32
Gobert 32
McDaniels 30
Conley 26
Alexander-Walker 26
Reid 26
Dillingham 22
Ingles 14

[KGdaBom]

Conley (26) / Dillingham (22)
Edwards (32) / Alexander-Walker (16)
McDaniels (30) / Alexander-Walker (10) / Ingles (8)
Towns (16) / Reid (26) / Ingles (6)
Gobert (32) / Towns (16)

Edwards 32
Towns 32
Gobert 32
McDaniels 30
Conley 26
Alexander-Walker 26
Reid 26
Dillingham 22
Ingles 14

You just keep shutting TSJ out. I can't see that happening. He's going to get at least some of those NAW Minutes.

[Klomp]

Conley (26) / Dillingham (22)
Edwards (32) / Alexander-Walker (16)
McDaniels (30) / Alexander-Walker (10) / Ingles (8)
Towns (16) / Reid (26) / Ingles (6)
Gobert (32) / Towns (16)

Edwards 32
Towns 32
Gobert 32
McDaniels 30
Conley 26
Alexander-Walker 26
Reid 26
Dillingham 22
Ingles 14

You just keep shutting TSJ out. I can't see that happening. He's going to get at least some of those NAW Minutes.

Well of course he's not going to finish the season with 0 games played. That's not the point of this exercise. The point is to say who you feel the regular, consistent rotation will be.

I don't care that McLaughlin got 11 minutes per game averaged in 56 games last year, because he was largely shut out of the rotation when it comes to the playoffs. Shannon will get his time eventually, I'm not worried about that. This is in no way saying that I think he's going to be a bust or that he will never see a minute of NBA action this season. I'm saying there are only 240 minutes per game available in a rotation, but if you totaled everyone who saw playing time last year, it adds up to 309.5 minutes per game.

[KGdaBom]

Conley (26) / Dillingham (22)
Edwards (32) / Alexander-Walker (16)
McDaniels (30) / Alexander-Walker (10) / Ingles (8)
Towns (16) / Reid (26) / Ingles (6)
Gobert (32) / Towns (16)

Edwards 32
Towns 32
Gobert 32
McDaniels 30
Conley 26
Alexander-Walker 26
Reid 26
Dillingham 22
Ingles 14

You just keep shutting TSJ out. I can't see that happening. He's going to get at least some of those NAW Minutes.

Well of course he's not going to finish the season with 0 games played. That's not the point of this exercise. The point is to say who you feel the regular, consistent rotation will be.

I don't care that McLaughlin got 11 minutes per game averaged in 56 games last year, because he was largely shut out of the rotation when it comes to the playoffs. Shannon will get his time eventually, I'm not worried about that. This is in no way saying that I think he's going to be a bust or that he will never see a minute of NBA action this season. I'm saying there are only 240 minutes per game available in a rotation, but if you totaled everyone who saw playing time last year, it adds up to 309.5 minutes per game.

I'm saying Shannon will get consistent, regular, impactful, meaningful, important, minutes.

[BlacJacMac]

Conley (26) / Dillingham (22)
Edwards (32) / Alexander-Walker (16)
McDaniels (30) / Alexander-Walker (10) / Ingles (8)
Towns (16) / Reid (26) / Ingles (6)
Gobert (32) / Towns (16)

Edwards 32
Towns 32
Gobert 32
McDaniels 30
Conley 26
Alexander-Walker 26
Reid 26
Dillingham 22
Ingles 14

You just keep shutting TSJ out. I can't see that happening. He's going to get at least some of those NAW Minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's not in the rotation to start the season. But I see him earning minutes and getting more and more time as the season goes on.

[DaMplsKid]

I think this is pretty solid. Ideally Shannon progresses fast enough to eat into NAW's minutes.

I don't think NAW minutes will drop much from last year. Finch and the team already know they can trust him plus I think he can still improve in some areas. The guy shot almost 40% from 3 and doesn't turn the ball over.

If Shannon minutes do increase I think it will be Dilly or Conley (if we are trying to rest him during the year).
I think 24min for a rookie PG who has a long ways to go on defense for a championship win now team might be a little much. Just looked it up and Maxey was 15 min pg his rookie year. Real wish we had a veteran 3rd PG we can trust of the roster.

I don't see Dilly getting 24, but I do see him getting 20. This season is going to be fun.

I think the season will start with Dilly not playing as much 15-18 but hopefully by the end of the year he is in the 24-26 range. Tried to find some comps on playing time. But not many win now team are drafting a lottery PG.

I did see that last year GSW played Podziemski 26 min per game. He was an older prospect and Curry only played 74 games. I could see Conely dialing it back down to 70ish games.

I think we are going to see a lot more Ant at PG this year with Joe Ingles, NAW, Towns/NAZ, and Rudy. 3 guys who can spread the floor for him. I hope he learning hope to throw that Lob to Rudy cause it should be wide open on the pick in roll this year with this lineup. Man I am soooo pumped.

[Colbinii]

FWIW, here are the rookies who have played rotation minutes for Top 4 teams [WCF/ECF] the past 5 seasons.

Dereck Lively II [22 MPG in PS]
Christian Brain [13 MPG in PS]
Johnathan Kuminga [8 MPG in PS]
Moses Moody [8 MPG in PS]
Onyeka Okongwu [9 MPG in PS]
Grant WIlliams [10 MPG in PS]
Tyler Herro [33 MPG in PS]
Kendrick Nunn [16 MPG in PS]

I actually think someone like Terrence Mann could be a comparison for Shannon, and he was 24 years old in his 2nd season in 2021 where the Clippers made the WCF and played 19 MPG in the PS.

Also shout out to the GOAT coach Erik Spoelstra here. The fact the 2020 Heat made the Finals is incredible.

[DaMplsKid]

FWIW, here are the rookies who have played rotation minutes for Top 4 teams [WCF/ECF] the past 5 seasons.

Dereck Lively II [22 MPG in PS]
Christian Brain [13 MPG in PS]
Johnathan Kuminga [8 MPG in PS]
Moses Moody [8 MPG in PS]
Onyeka Okongwu [9 MPG in PS]
Grant WIlliams [10 MPG in PS]
Tyler Herro [33 MPG in PS]
Kendrick Nunn [16 MPG in PS]

I actually think someone like Terrence Mann could be a comparison for Shannon, and he was 24 years old in his 2nd season in 2021 where the Clippers made the WCF and played 19 MPG in the PS.

Also shout out to the GOAT coach Erik Spoelstra here. The fact the 2020 Heat made the Finals is incredible.

Herro not a PG but very similar skill set to Dilly 3pt shooter but not great defender. Was 19/20 rookie year just goes to show what coaching and leadership can do for a player like this. Herro and Lowry(veteran PG) Butler (top 10 player at the time) and a Bam Defensive Center. Do see Dilly get this many minutes but good to see a comp.

I could also see Christian Braun being a good comp of TSJ. TSJ being older but from what I saw from Braun in the playoffs reminds me of what TSJ could become.

[DaMplsKid]

Conley (26) / Dillingham (22)
Edwards (32) / Alexander-Walker (16)
McDaniels (30) / Alexander-Walker (10) / Ingles (8)
Towns (16) / Reid (26) / Ingles (6)
Gobert (32) / Towns (16)

Edwards 32
Towns 32
Gobert 32
McDaniels 30
Conley 26
Alexander-Walker 26
Reid 26
Dillingham 22
Ingles 14

You just keep shutting TSJ out. I can't see that happening. He's going to get at least some of those NAW Minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's not in the rotation to start the season. But I see him earning minutes and getting more and more time as the season goes on.

Correct I don't see Finch wanting to trust two rookies right away. TSJ might get run if we have foul trouble or something. It he is lucky he will get to fill the Troy Borwn Jr. type of roll and run 11mins per game but those were in blowouts or when McDaniels was out early in the season..

[Biff Cooper]

Hopefully, can feel confident with our top guys closing out regular season games that we can give the younger guys some run without worrying about their on/off numbers.

[BlacJacMac]

FWIW, here are the rookies who have played rotation minutes for Top 4 teams [WCF/ECF] the past 5 seasons.

Dereck Lively II [22 MPG in PS]
Christian Brain [13 MPG in PS]
Johnathan Kuminga [8 MPG in PS]
Moses Moody [8 MPG in PS]
Onyeka Okongwu [9 MPG in PS]
Grant WIlliams [10 MPG in PS]
Tyler Herro [33 MPG in PS]
Kendrick Nunn [16 MPG in PS]

I actually think someone like Terrence Mann could be a comparison for Shannon, and he was 24 years old in his 2nd season in 2021 where the Clippers made the WCF and played 19 MPG in the PS.

Also shout out to the GOAT coach Erik Spoelstra here. The fact the 2020 Heat made the Finals is incredible.

Heat were not a Top 4 team this year, but I think Jaime Jaquez Jr. is a solid "rookie comp" for TSJ as an older rookie that contributed. Played 28 MPG in the regular season and 31 in the Playoffs.

[Colbinii]

FWIW, here are the rookies who have played rotation minutes for Top 4 teams [WCF/ECF] the past 5 seasons.

Dereck Lively II [22 MPG in PS]
Christian Brain [13 MPG in PS]
Johnathan Kuminga [8 MPG in PS]
Moses Moody [8 MPG in PS]
Onyeka Okongwu [9 MPG in PS]
Grant WIlliams [10 MPG in PS]
Tyler Herro [33 MPG in PS]
Kendrick Nunn [16 MPG in PS]

I actually think someone like Terrence Mann could be a comparison for Shannon, and he was 24 years old in his 2nd season in 2021 where the Clippers made the WCF and played 19 MPG in the PS.

Also shout out to the GOAT coach Erik Spoelstra here. The fact the 2020 Heat made the Finals is incredible.

Heat were not a Top 4 team this year, but I think Jaime Jaquez Jr. is a solid "rookie comp" for TSJ as an older rookie that contributed. Played 28 MPG in the regular season and 31 in the Playoffs.

Yeah, sort of. JJJ was a significantly better rebounder and played a lot larger than his actual size. He also didn't rely on "bully ball" to be effective [though JJJ was never a good shooter]. JJJ had a bit more juice as a playmaker as well.

Not a bad comparison, but the thing about Shannon is he is was this bruiser in college and really needs to re-invent himself at the NBA level. JJJ sort of had an NBA-ready skill-set where he could lean into his strengths from college and transfer them seamlessly to the NBA.

[Klomp]

Not a bad comparison, but the thing about Shannon is he is was this bruiser in college and really needs to re-invent himself at the NBA level. JJJ sort of had an NBA-ready skill-set where he could lean into his strengths from college and transfer them seamlessly to the NBA.

I don't think reinvent is the right word. The change is going to be in his usage, but the play style can absolutely transfer over in time.

[Klomp]

I could also see Christian Braun being a good comp of TSJ. TSJ being older but from what I saw from Braun in the playoffs reminds me of what TSJ could become.

Keep in mind, while Denver played the young guys more in the regular season, when it came to the end of the season, they shrunk down the rotation and replaced the young guys with the veterans. That's why I keep harping on this about a tight rotation with a lot of veterans.

[Nick K]

Can you imagine getting another 2 solid rotation pieces? We'd be 10 deep.

Conley, Ant, Jaden, Naz, Rudy.
RD, NAW, TSJ, Ingles
2-3 from KAT trade

We are deeper than people think. We have the looks of a much stronger 2nd unit than last year. That's huge.