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The 2025 Wolves Off Season

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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#101 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:17 pm

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Devilzsidewalk wrote:

He's been passable at times. I'd give him another shot, we can look to trade him if it's not working out.


I just think his whole game falls apart on ball. He's not a create his own shot player, he's not a pull-up shooter and he's not a natural passer that turns it over too much.

He excels as a catch and shoot guy.

So call Ant the PG and Donte the SG then. It's not that hard.


Are we so desperate to start DDV that we'd handicap Ant to do it?
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#102 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:18 pm

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I just think his whole game falls apart on ball. He's not a create his own shot player, he's not a pull-up shooter and he's not a natural passer that turns it over too much.

He excels as a catch and shoot guy.

So call Ant the PG and Donte the SG then. It's not that hard.


Ant isn’t a PG. He lacks the handle, BBIQ, instinct, and role. The whole point of bringing in a PG is to get Ant OFF THE BALL. In theory off ball Ant will have opportunities to catch and go before the defense loads up. DDV is a train wreck as the primary ball guard. When he isn’t driving and turning it over he is pulling up and bricking 3s. DDV as a backup to Ant is fine, but he needs starter minutes to catch a rhythm. This was a terrible return for KAT and resale is also probably gonna be bad.

So we want Ant being just a spot-up shooter and not creating his own shot? Seems like you have a lot of faith in him.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#103 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:20 pm

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Klomp wrote:So call Ant the PG and Donte the SG then. It's not that hard.


Ant isn’t a PG. He lacks the handle, BBIQ, instinct, and role. The whole point of bringing in a PG is to get Ant OFF THE BALL. In theory off ball Ant will have opportunities to catch and go before the defense loads up. DDV is a train wreck as the primary ball guard. When he isn’t driving and turning it over he is pulling up and bricking 3s. DDV as a backup to Ant is fine, but he needs starter minutes to catch a rhythm. This was a terrible return for KAT and resale is also probably gonna be bad.

So we want Ant being just a spot-up shooter and not creating his own shot? Seems like you have a lot of faith in him.


Its not an either/or.

We don't need Ant slowly bringing the ball up court and always having to go against a set defense. And no one said make him a spot-up shooter - you can still create your own shot after receiving a pass. In fact, its often easier because the defense is in recovery mode.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#104 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:22 pm

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Ant isn’t a PG. He lacks the handle, BBIQ, instinct, and role. The whole point of bringing in a PG is to get Ant OFF THE BALL. In theory off ball Ant will have opportunities to catch and go before the defense loads up. DDV is a train wreck as the primary ball guard. When he isn’t driving and turning it over he is pulling up and bricking 3s. DDV as a backup to Ant is fine, but he needs starter minutes to catch a rhythm. This was a terrible return for KAT and resale is also probably gonna be bad.

So we want Ant being just a spot-up shooter and not creating his own shot? Seems like you have a lot of faith in him.


Its not an either/or.

We don't need Ant slowly bringing the ball up court and always having to go against a set defense. And no one said make him a spot-up shooter - you can still create your own shot after receiving a pass. In fact, its often easier because the defense is in recovery mode.

And sometimes a guard can still spot up after bringing the ball up the court, which is what happens when Donte and Ant share the floor. They can absolutely play together.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#105 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:34 pm

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Klomp wrote:So we want Ant being just a spot-up shooter and not creating his own shot? Seems like you have a lot of faith in him.


Its not an either/or.

We don't need Ant slowly bringing the ball up court and always having to go against a set defense. And no one said make him a spot-up shooter - you can still create your own shot after receiving a pass. In fact, its often easier because the defense is in recovery mode.

And sometimes a guard can still spot up after bringing the ball up the court, which is what happens when Donte and Ant share the floor. They can absolutely play together.


And who brings it up when teams realize they can pressure either guy? Donte is actually worse at it than Ant.

We really don't need to shoehorn Donte into the starting lineup.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#106 » by TimberKat » Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:05 pm

I will assume Dilly+Conley can still play 28 mins per game. So we need someone to play 20 mins. There is a lot of free agents available: Schröder, Fultz, Lowry, Jones, Simmons (in theory), Brogdon, Jordan McLaughlin, Paul and Westbrook. Maybe one of them will take the veteran's minimum? We aren't looking for starter but backup that don't turn over the ball and feed the Bears.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#107 » by theGreatRC » Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:19 pm

TimberKat wrote:I will assume Dilly+Conley can still play 28 mins per game. So we need someone to play 20 mins. There is a lot of free agents available: Schröder, Fultz, Lowry, Jones, Simmons (in theory), Brogdon, Jordan McLaughlin, Paul and Westbrook. Maybe one of them will take the veteran's minimum? We aren't looking for starter but backup that don't turn over the ball and feed the Bears.


Top priority given the financial restrictions this team has right now would be Tyus Jones signing the same type of deal he signed with Phoenix.

High assist to TO ratio, high IQ, handles well under pressure and can shoot the 3
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#108 » by winforlose » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:22 pm

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TimberKat wrote:I will assume Dilly+Conley can still play 28 mins per game. So we need someone to play 20 mins. There is a lot of free agents available: Schröder, Fultz, Lowry, Jones, Simmons (in theory), Brogdon, Jordan McLaughlin, Paul and Westbrook. Maybe one of them will take the veteran's minimum? We aren't looking for starter but backup that don't turn over the ball and feed the Bears.


Top priority given the financial restrictions this team has right now would be Tyus Jones signing the same type of deal he signed with Phoenix.

High assist to TO ratio, high IQ, handles well under pressure and can shoot the 3


Start him, promise him 30 minutes, and give him a real role in the offense. Dilly takes the other 18, Mike is a 3rd string (can do a lot worse.) I would even pay him the full TPMLE.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#109 » by winforlose » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:23 pm

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winforlose wrote:
Ant isn’t a PG. He lacks the handle, BBIQ, instinct, and role. The whole point of bringing in a PG is to get Ant OFF THE BALL. In theory off ball Ant will have opportunities to catch and go before the defense loads up. DDV is a train wreck as the primary ball guard. When he isn’t driving and turning it over he is pulling up and bricking 3s. DDV as a backup to Ant is fine, but he needs starter minutes to catch a rhythm. This was a terrible return for KAT and resale is also probably gonna be bad.

So we want Ant being just a spot-up shooter and not creating his own shot? Seems like you have a lot of faith in him.


Its not an either/or.

We don't need Ant slowly bringing the ball up court and always having to go against a set defense. And no one said make him a spot-up shooter - you can still create your own shot after receiving a pass. In fact, its often easier because the defense is in recovery mode.


Thank you, very well said. I will just add, that when the PG plays PNR with Rudy or another big that also adds value that Ant struggles with.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#110 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:25 pm

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Ant isn’t a PG. He lacks the handle, BBIQ, instinct, and role. The whole point of bringing in a PG is to get Ant OFF THE BALL. In theory off ball Ant will have opportunities to catch and go before the defense loads up. DDV is a train wreck as the primary ball guard. When he isn’t driving and turning it over he is pulling up and bricking 3s. DDV as a backup to Ant is fine, but he needs starter minutes to catch a rhythm. This was a terrible return for KAT and resale is also probably gonna be bad.

So we want Ant being just a spot-up shooter and not creating his own shot? Seems like you have a lot of faith in him.


Its not an either/or.

Except that's exactly how you guys are framing it for DiVincenzo, so clearly it is....
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#111 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:29 pm

Klomp wrote:
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Klomp wrote:So we want Ant being just a spot-up shooter and not creating his own shot? Seems like you have a lot of faith in him.


Its not an either/or.

Except that's exactly how you guys are framing it for DiVincenzo, so clearly it is....


Because he's not a PG!

Is it worth making Ant play PG (which he has said multiple times he doesn't want to do) just to get Donte starting?

We should not be making our rotation decisions around Donte.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#112 » by Rookie-Mistake » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:34 pm

Realistically, it doesn't appear as though we're adding anything this off season.. very interesting.. banking on internal development.. are they adding any new assistant/specialist coaches?
Because, we really need to start with ball control.

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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#113 » by Norseman79 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:35 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Ant isn’t a PG. He lacks the handle, BBIQ, instinct, and role. The whole point of bringing in a PG is to get Ant OFF THE BALL. In theory off ball Ant will have opportunities to catch and go before the defense loads up. DDV is a train wreck as the primary ball guard. When he isn’t driving and turning it over he is pulling up and bricking 3s. DDV as a backup to Ant is fine, but he needs starter minutes to catch a rhythm. This was a terrible return for KAT and resale is also probably gonna be bad.

So we want Ant being just a spot-up shooter and not creating his own shot? Seems like you have a lot of faith in him.


Its not an either/or.

We don't need Ant slowly bringing the ball up court and always having to go against a set defense. And no one said make him a spot-up shooter - you can still create your own shot after receiving a pass. In fact, its often easier because the defense is in recovery mode.


Even Jordan and Kobe played with PGs. The idea is getting Ant to start getting easy buckets by getting him the ball in choice spots as opposed to him having to dribble to those spots. Running plays for Ant as opposed to ISO Ant all game (still doing some).... This is the way...
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#114 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:37 pm

Rookie-Mistake wrote:Realistically, it doesn't appear as though we're adding anything this off season.. very interesting.. banking on internal development.. are they adding any new assistant/specialist coaches?
Because, we really need to start with ball control.

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Maybe?

We're still 2 days away from the deadline for Randle and Naz's player options. So I think other moves may be on hold until we see what happens.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#115 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:38 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:We should not be making our rotation decisions around Donte.

We aren't. We're making them around Ant. Giving him great 3-point shooters is a good thing.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#116 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:44 pm

Klomp wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:We should not be making our rotation decisions around Donte.

We aren't. We're making them around Ant. Giving him great 3-point shooters is a good thing.


Making him the PG isn't.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#117 » by Rookie-Mistake » Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:56 am

Reid.
5 year contract.
Good deal imo.

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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#118 » by Neeva » Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:57 am

A bit of an overpay but not too bad, he just can’t play like he did against okc in semis going forward.
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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#119 » by Rookie-Mistake » Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:47 am

Implications for Randle?

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Re: The 2025 Wolves Off Season 

Post#120 » by KGdaBom » Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:50 am

BlacJacMac wrote:
Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Ant isn’t a PG. He lacks the handle, BBIQ, instinct, and role. The whole point of bringing in a PG is to get Ant OFF THE BALL. In theory off ball Ant will have opportunities to catch and go before the defense loads up. DDV is a train wreck as the primary ball guard. When he isn’t driving and turning it over he is pulling up and bricking 3s. DDV as a backup to Ant is fine, but he needs starter minutes to catch a rhythm. This was a terrible return for KAT and resale is also probably gonna be bad.

So we want Ant being just a spot-up shooter and not creating his own shot? Seems like you have a lot of faith in him.


Its not an either/or.

We don't need Ant slowly bringing the ball up court and always having to go against a set defense. And no one said make him a spot-up shooter - you can still create your own shot after receiving a pass. In fact, its often easier because the defense is in recovery mode.

I want Ant handling the ball no more than 5 seconds at a time. We need to keep the ball moving not just pounding it into the court trying to find an opening.

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