Countdown to heartbreak (*Draft thread pt.II)

Post #101 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:34 pm

glad they changed that. Teague made me vomit a lil.

Right now DX has us taking Harden at 5 (passing jennings at 6)
AFA at 18
Collison with 28

I want a trade, but I could handle that draft. (*If Harden is 6'5 that is big for me---ignore the pun)

(jrue falls to 23 wow)

Post #102 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:37 pm

if Harden puts up something like a 34" standing and 39" max vert and turns some heads at the predraft combine while measuresing out at around 6'4 1/2" without and 6'5 1/2" with shoes with a nice, long wing span of around 7'0" and standing reach of around 8'8" He'll be like Brandon Roy or Nick Young - 2 kids that surprised a LOT of folks at the combine. And the wolves would be blessed to have him.

Collison that late in the draft would be a chalmers-like steal.

I am very impressed with the DX draft.

4ho5ive · Post #103 » by **4ho5ive** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:55 pm

I dont like Teague either. I really dont think AFA falls past to #18 though. Id be ecstatic if he did.

Why are we still #5 on the DX mock when we are 2 games ahead of Memphis in the standing

Devilzsidewalk · Post #104 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:18 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I agree with Rev on passing on Carrol. He's a late second to undrafted in my book-- and I'm a Mizzou fan. I think the only SF's I'm interested in are Clark and Young.

he's a 2nd rounder and the Wolves have 2 late 2nd round picks. I wasn't talking about drafting him in the top 10

Krapinsky · Post #105 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:46 am

I'm wondering if we're sleeping on Warren. Playing at OU he was obviously overshadowed by Griffin and perhaps doesn't get the credit he deserves. He reminds me a lot of Eric Gordon, only with better ball handling skills and not quite as sweet of a jumper.

Watch his highlights from the Kansas game alone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJL6TB51 ... re=related

Watch how well he splits defenders, attacks the paint, rises over defenders to get his shot off (even Aldrich), and shoots it from NBA + range.

I'm not so sure Evans has much over Warren. I at least think he needs to be in the mix from 3 on. Watch some clips and Let's discuss.

Krapinsky · Post #106 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:48 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I agree with Rev on passing on Carrol. He's a late second to undrafted in my book-- and I'm a Mizzou fan. I think the only SF's I'm interested in are Clark and Young.

he's a 2nd rounder and the Wolves have 2 late 2nd round picks. I wasn't talking about drafting him in the top 10

I thought maybe you were hedging towards the Boston pick. If not, I don't really care who we draft in the 2nd round. The odds of us drafting a 2nd rounder that gets a roster spot are very slim unless we make a big trade using our firsts.

Krapinsky · Post #107 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:54 am

Watch Warren's dunks at the 1:05 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzvoywz ... re=related

Post #108 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:00 am

very good. (*still AVOID HIM)

Krapinsky · Post #109 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:18 am

revprodeji wrote:very good. (*still AVOID HIM)

Care to extrapolate? Is it b/c of the Foye experiment gone wrong? I think he projects better than Foye as a 1 or a 2. I just don't want us to miss out on the next Dwayne Wade b/c we dismissed an undersized SG.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #110 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:37 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJL6TB51 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9iLNZK ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68C9L4SP ... re=related

Wow! I never actually watched any Oklahoma games this year...Warren has some incredibly highlights. I won't endorse a player off highlight reels obviously, but I just thought they were some sweet highlights. I might at least have to look into Warren more and read some scouting reports.

4ho5ive · Post #111 » by **4ho5ive** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:44 am

Chad Ford's anonymous, go-to BFF scout says he reminds him of Chauncey. Im not actually a big fan of Warren as he is not the PG i desire nor do i think he will be big enough for the 2. Not saying to totally dismiss him, but unless he really impresses and measures well during combine + workouts I think we could do better.

Post #112 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:48 am

My understanding of Warren is that he is an undersized two-guard with limited/inconsistent range. He lacks effort on the defensive end and projects as a role-playing SG rather than a top-3 on a good team. He has done a lot this year to improve his reputation and play more within a team concept, but I think he needs another year of college.

As with harden, a lot of it comes down to the height issue. Sounds waaaaaay too similar with how we have gotten burned by Mccants and now Foye's height issues(*if he is a SG not a pg longterm). I think if it was not for the McCants similiarity I would be higher on him.

btw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqfbNe_H ... re=related

very composed interview.

Post #113 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:49 am

4ho5ive wrote:Chad Ford's anonymous, go-to BFF scout says he reminds him of Chauncey. Im not actually a big fan of Warren as he is not the PG i desire nor do i think he will be big enough for the 2. Not saying to totally dismiss him, but unless he really impresses and measures well during combine + workouts I think we could do better.

Doesnt Ford say that about every undersized Sg that might play pg?

Foye was compard to Wade by Old Dick and as Billups by many people. I wonder what the future holds for Foye.

4ho5ive · Post #114 » by **4ho5ive** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:55 am

Not Ford, his scout buddy said that. I can post a link if you want. Its on ESPN. I still think people are giving up on Foye way too soon, thats just my 2 cents though.

As for Warren, i have him as a SG and he is behind Derozan on my board.

Post #115 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:09 am

I am not giving up on Foye. I just have no idea what to expect from him. For the year he is getting 16/4/4 but shooting a horrible % and the worse part is that % is incredibly inconsistent. So we are left with another year not knowing what we have in the kid. That and he is hardly a kid anymore. Already 25.

Is he still a PG prospect next to a ballhandling SG? if yes, than why not with Miller?
Is he a SG prospect and we are cool with him being undersized?
Is he just a 6th man scorer? Ala Gordon or Terry?

Post #116 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:12 am

http://www.canishoopus.com/2009/3/29/81 ... of-quarter

# 20 Randy Foye 51 points on 67 plays (.76)

..list of 2008-2009's (through play of 3/26/09) highest scorers on plays that initiated within the last 24 seconds of any quarter (with desperation heaves filtered out)

Krapinsky · Post #117 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:14 am

It seems he definitely has the ball handling ability to play the point, I'm just not sure how good he is at setting up teammates though. If he can play the point (Big IF), he looks like he could be very special. If he is merely a 2, he still might be special. His athletic ability is off the charts and he is a gifted deep ball shooter. His question marks seem to be length, passing ability, and defensive ability.

Post #118 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:17 am

I think the key is that he needs to develop as a PG to be special, but perhaps we have clearly given up on that idea. I guess this is in-part some of the desire of Ty Evans. As Canis wrote..

..."There is no other player in the draft with as much potential to change the complexion of the Wolves as Evans. A 6'6" guard with a 6'11.5" wingspan who can play on the ball isn't something that grows on trees. He can get into the lane at will and can finish at the rim. He also can't shoot from outside and turns it over a lot. The big question with Evans is this: His primary value to the Wolves would be to allow Randy Foye to stay off the ball. Can he play point in the NBA?

but, as I noted above. if this was a real possible option, why would we not do the same thing with Mike Miller and Foye? The offense moves so much better with Bassy than with Foye. It just frustrates me that Foye cannot understand the PG position. Simple stuff. Set up the offense, run a pick-roll. it seems to be beyond him.

And the injury bug. wow. How many games has the kid either missed or played injuried?

4ho5ive · Post #119 » by **4ho5ive** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:25 am

Ty Evans and Mike Miller are very different. Miller is not a PG, Evans is. Plus, how much did we really get to see of Randy Foye healthy next to the real Mike Miller? Foye started the year off like crap when Witt was trying to make him Jason Kidd, McHale takes over and Foye starts to wreak havoc. Jefferson goes down and he obviously didnt handle the pressure of being the #1 guy very well but i dont think anyone here thought he would flourish in that situation, then he got hurt and *allegedly* played hurt. I think Foye is great for a 10-15 MPG PG while spending most of the time next to a big PG such as Evans.

Sometimes i wish Foye had that balls out "im gonna dunk on you and theres nothing you can do about it" mentality that Westbrook has. He has the damn athleticism to be that guy but it doesnt seem like he can get mean like that.

Post #120 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:26 am

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Randy-Foye-454/

good write-up from DX in Sept on foye.

Dr. Foye is hardly an athletic beast, but he is "smooth". I want the kid to succeed so much. Not because of the Roy crap, but I just like the kid and he shows signs.

(*btw, acknowledging the Roy/Foye debate without explaining how Rex even told JonG that the wolves red-flagged Roy's knee is nuts...btw, considering that we red-flagged Roy and Granger for knee issues but then have had McCants, Foye, Al, Brewer all miss a year for a knee issue. Are we cursed?)