Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[southern wolf]

If Thibs might be gone soon(like after the season) why doesn't Glen Taylor fire Thibs from POBO and hire a new guy who's vision aligns with his more and just leave Thibs as the coach? Why would you let a coach/POBO make such a big decision if they're not part of the future and they may even know that?

This is what I want to see. He has his coaching flaws but I still like him in that role, not in the GM role. Let him focus fully on coaching like he could with the Bulls and hire someone else to be GM. Not many people can pull off the dual role.

[shangrila]

If Thibs might be gone soon(like after the season) why doesn't Glen Taylor fire Thibs from POBO and hire a new guy who's vision aligns with his more and just leave Thibs as the coach? Why would you let a coach/POBO make such a big decision if they're not part of the future and they may even know that?

This is what I want to see. He has his coaching flaws but I still like him in that role, not in the GM role. Let him focus fully on coaching like he could with the Bulls and hire someone else to be GM. Not many people can pull off the dual role.

Why? Legitimately curious.

His defence is outdated, his offence is archaic and his rotations are nearly non-existent. What's good about him as a coach? Aside from game prep I suppose.

[KGdaBom]

If Thibs might be gone soon(like after the season) why doesn't Glen Taylor fire Thibs from POBO and hire a new guy who's vision aligns with his more and just leave Thibs as the coach? Why would you let a coach/POBO make such a big decision if they're not part of the future and they may even know that?

This is what I want to see. He has his coaching flaws but I still like him in that role, not in the GM role. Let him focus fully on coaching like he could with the Bulls and hire someone else to be GM. Not many people can pull off the dual role.

Why? Legitimately curious.

His defence is outdated, his offence is archaic and his rotations are nearly non-existent. What's good about him as a coach? Aside from game prep I suppose.

I keep hearing people say how bad his offense is yet it was the 4th best offense in the league last year. Simply amazing how that happens.

[KGdaBom]

Thibs asking for Richardson, Bam and a first. Damn lol he crazy.

What is crazy about that? Nothing that I can see. He might accept Richardson, Olynyk and a first or Richardson, Whiteside and a first and include Dieng in the deal.

[KGdaBom]

People try to devalue Jimmy saying he’s 29, and they are worried about his age when he signs his next max contract.

The truth is, Jimmy has a lot of tread left on his tires. He’s only played 15,044 minutes, because of four years in college, and he started 1.5 seasons playing limited minutes on the bench.

By comparison with other 29 year olds, James Harden has played 23,239, and DeMar Derozan 22,986.

I think the main concern people have with Jimmy's age is that he seems to miss around 15-20 games a year already.

So many examples of players missing a lot of games over a few years and then not missing almost any for several years after. There is a very good chance Butler plays over 70 games every year from now on out. We don't know.

[minimus]

Thibs asking for Richardson, Bam and a first. Damn lol he crazy.

What is crazy about that? Nothing that I can see. He might accept Richardson, Olynyk and a first or Richardson, Whiteside and a first and include Dieng in the deal.

The problem is that is our best offer.

[KGdaBom]

Thibs asking for Richardson, Bam and a first. Damn lol he crazy.

What is crazy about that? Nothing that I can see. He might accept Richardson, Olynyk and a first or Richardson, Whiteside and a first and include Dieng in the deal.

The problem is that is our best offer.

Any decent GM always asks for more than what they are willing to accept. Personally I don't think Bam is special at all and a team holding back a deal for Butler to keep Bam is making a mistake.

[minimus]

What is crazy about that? Nothing that I can see. He might accept Richardson, Olynyk and a first or Richardson, Whiteside and a first and include Dieng in the deal.

The problem is that is our best offer.

Any decent GM always asks for more than what they are willing to accept. Personally I don't think Bam is special at all and a team holding back a deal for Butler to keep Bam is making a mistake.

No one is going to outbid even crappy deals like Butler, Dieng for Waiters, Whiteside, FRP. So Riley is smart to wait.

[KGdaBom]

The problem is that is our best offer.

Any decent GM always asks for more than what they are willing to accept. Personally I don't think Bam is special at all and a team holding back a deal for Butler to keep Bam is making a mistake.

No one is going to outbid even crappy deals like Butler, Dieng for Waiters, Whiteside, FRP. So Riley is smart to wait.

No he isn't because he will never get Butler with crappy offers like Waiters and Whiteside and FRP. Why are you so unbelievably negative?
You keep spewing hate against the coach that had our best season in 14 years and the player who was most responsible for that best season.

[minimus]

People try to devalue Jimmy saying he’s 29, and they are worried about his age when he signs his next max contract.

The truth is, Jimmy has a lot of tread left on his tires. He’s only played 15,044 minutes, because of four years in college, and he started 1.5 seasons playing limited minutes on the bench.

By comparison with other 29 year olds, James Harden has played 23,239, and DeMar Derozan 22,986.

I think the main concern people have with Jimmy's age is that he seems to miss around 15-20 games a year already.

Exactly.

It's not like his injury issues are going to improve with age so paying him 40mil when he's 34 looks like a potentially cap crippling move.

Harden has never played defense as Jimmy. So simple math is that 15,044 minutes on both ends of the floor = 30088 minutes. Which is more than 23,239 minutes of Harden only played on offense.

[minimus]

Any decent GM always asks for more than what they are willing to accept. Personally I don't think Bam is special at all and a team holding back a deal for Butler to keep Bam is making a mistake.

No one is going to outbid even crappy deals like Butler, Dieng for Waiters, Whiteside, FRP. So Riley is smart to wait.

No he isn't because he will never get Butler with crappy offers like Waiters and Whiteside and FRP. Why are you so unbelievably negative?

Because NOP got Cousins for nothing. And I am not so sure that our management is better than SAC.

[KGdaBom]

I think the main concern people have with Jimmy's age is that he seems to miss around 15-20 games a year already.

Exactly.

It's not like his injury issues are going to improve with age so paying him 40mil when he's 34 looks like a potentially cap crippling move.

Harden has never played defense as Jimmy. So simple math is that 15,044 minutes on both ends of the floor = 30088 minutes. Which is more than 23,239 minutes of Harden only played on offense.

So now you want to say he plays defense. We have to get rid of him. LMAO. You can't make this stuff up.

[theGreatRC]

What is crazy about that? Nothing that I can see. He might accept Richardson, Olynyk and a first or Richardson, Whiteside and a first and include Dieng in the deal.

The problem is that is our best offer.

Any decent GM always asks for more than what they are willing to accept. Personally I don't think Bam is special at all and a team holding back a deal for Butler to keep Bam is making a mistake.

They're both not special tbh. Richardson from what i've seen & read has the potential to be an all-defensive potential player with some offensive game, like an Avery Bradley type, but is an Avery Bradley type of player really a guy you hold out of trades for a guy like Jimmy Butler? Richardson's two best qualities are his defensive impact and his contract.

Bam is great value for where they picked him at and can be the first big off the bench and decent 5th option as a starter in the future, but once again, is he a guy you hold out of trades for an All NBA, two-way all star?

In reality, Jimmy is >>>> both of them, as he is a top 15 player at worst in the NBA. He's also one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA as well as being a pretty damn good 1st-2nd option, but given the situation we're in with Jimmy not wanting to be here, his age, his injury history, his attitude, etc....we sort of have our backs against the wall UNLESS he comes back and plays for us with no toxic behavior..then we'll see more offers pour in IMO.

[KGdaBom]

No one is going to outbid even crappy deals like Butler, Dieng for Waiters, Whiteside, FRP. So Riley is smart to wait.

No he isn't because he will never get Butler with crappy offers like Waiters and Whiteside and FRP. Why are you so unbelievably negative?

Because NOP got Cousins for nothing. And I am not so sure that our management is better than SAC.

Nothing is FAR FAR superior to Waiters, Whiteside and a FRP. Any team taking those two on should be rewarded with 3 FRPs at minimum. I probably wouldn't even do that. I'd rather keep the players we have.

[minimus]

Exactly.

It's not like his injury issues are going to improve with age so paying him 40mil when he's 34 looks like a potentially cap crippling move.

Harden has never played defense as Jimmy. So simple math is that 15,044 minutes on both ends of the floor = 30088 minutes. Which is more than 23,239 minutes of Harden only played on offense.

So now you want to say he plays defense. We have to get rid of him. LMAO. You can't make this stuff up.

Never told that Jimmy does NOT play defense. And it is not like WE want to get rid of Butler. The problem is that Butler wants to get rid of US AND GET MORE MONEY.

[KGdaBom]

Harden has never played defense as Jimmy. So simple math is that 15,044 minutes on both ends of the floor = 30088 minutes. Which is more than 23,239 minutes of Harden only played on offense.

So now you want to say he plays defense. We have to get rid of him. LMAO. You can't make this stuff up.

Never told that Jimmy does play defense. And it is not like WE want to get rid of Butler. The problem is that Butler wants to get rid of US AND GET MORE MONEY.

Ever hear of a rock band called the Rolling Stones. They had some very wise words in their song " You can't always get what you want" Lots of things I want. Doesn't mean I'm going to get them. Nobody is going to get what they want. "But if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need."

[andyhop]

They're both not special tbh. Richardson from what i've seen & read has the potential to be an all-defensive potential player with some offensive game, like an Avery Bradley type, but is an Avery Bradley type of player really a guy you hold out of trades for a guy like Jimmy Butler? Richardson's two best qualities are his defensive impact and his contract.

He actually seems like a guy who plays defense unlike Bradley who is a guy who appears to play defense but is actually bad at it.

[theGreatRC]

They're both not special tbh. Richardson from what i've seen & read has the potential to be an all-defensive potential player with some offensive game, like an Avery Bradley type, but is an Avery Bradley type of player really a guy you hold out of trades for a guy like Jimmy Butler? Richardson's two best qualities are his defensive impact and his contract.

He actually seems like a guy who plays defense unlike Bradley who is a guy who appears to play defense but is actually bad at it.

He'll probably end up being better than Bradley, I was just thinking of the first guy that came to mind tbh.

[Kobewade11]

I'm hearing you guys ought to prep for Hassan and WInslow..

[andyhop]

They're both not special tbh. Richardson from what i've seen & read has the potential to be an all-defensive potential player with some offensive game, like an Avery Bradley type, but is an Avery Bradley type of player really a guy you hold out of trades for a guy like Jimmy Butler? Richardson's two best qualities are his defensive impact and his contract.

He actually seems like a guy who plays defense unlike Bradley who is a guy who appears to play defense but is actually bad at it.

He'll probably end up being better than Bradley, I was just thinking of the first guy that came to mind tbh.

I'd say more a Danny Green type