2016 draft thread: Part 2

Post #1021 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 5:20 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Klomp, are you just talking yourself into Dunn because you think based on the speculation that's been out there, that he's the most likely pick?

No.

NewWolvesOrder wrote:when you lock in onto player you pump him up like there's no tomorrow. You must work in PR field, should I say T-Wolves PR team?

So passion is a bad thing now?

vagelis · Post #1022 » by **vagelis** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 5:23 pm

Klomp wrote:I know I'm pretty much all alone with my take of Dunn over the others, just like I was basically alone about LaVine over Harris...

I am with you Klomp!
I agree that Dunn is what this team needs most and he is the best pg of the draft.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1023 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 5:31 pm

Klomp wrote:I know I'm pretty much all alone with my take of Dunn over the others, just like I was basically alone about LaVine
over Harris...

What? You better dig out some threads to prove it. I find it hard to believe.

Mattya · Post #1024 » by **Mattya** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 5:34 pm

I'm still very happy with Bender, Dunn or Murray.

Klomp was all about LaVine over Gary Harris, I also remember him talking about Elfrid Payton very early that summer as well.

Maefteda · Post #1025 » by **Maefteda** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 6:01 pm

Klomp was also (along with me) questioning Towns vs Okafor while most people were determined we should absolutely pick Towns. I think we both realized Towns was the obvious pick right before the draft though.

I hated the LaVine pick however and was soundly in the Gary Harris camp, but I am very very happy to be wrong about that one. I did want McCollum rather than trading down in 13 however but I was high on Gorgui.

I'd be happy with either Dunn, Murray or Hield, but would prefer Bender if he falls.

Sugarless · Post #1026 » by **Sugarless** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 6:14 pm

Klomp wrote:I know I'm pretty much all alone with my take of Dunn over the others, just like I was basically alone about LaVine over Harris...

C'mon Klomp. Not a couple weeks ago you were defending Murray, then you moved to liking Hield better for a couple days, and now it's Dunn. You were also on the Okafor over Towns side last year up until the Wolves had KAT workout for them and Flip decided he was his guy.

You know you're quite the company guy, you always embrace that role. Just admit it openly already. :wink:

Post #1027 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 6:16 pm

NewWolvesOrder wrote:What? You better dig out some threads to prove it. I find it hard to believe.

OK so I wasn't as alone as I remembered. Still was in the minority though...

In the process, I found these fun ones...

Krapinsky wrote:
C.lupus wrote:Please don't take LaVine at 13. Pleeeeaaaasssseeee.

I would be shocked if that were the case. Doesn't seem like a Flip pick at all. He talks about two way players and players that will help our team now and help change the culture. Lavine sounds like the last guys we'd pick.

shangrila wrote:I don't think he's got low BBIQ, that seems harsh. Low BBIQ to me is Anthony Randolph or Michael Beasley, guys that are just flat out incapable of making good plays on purpose. Payne seems like a team oriented guy who can play well within an offence, something neither of the other two guys could claim.

Don't get me wrong, he's never going to be Chris Paul or have a long career as a coach but he won't hurt a team when he's out there either.

Worth noting that at this time two years ago, we were debating Randle vs. Gordon because people were certain Love was going to Boston.

Post #1028 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 6:25 pm

Sugarless wrote:
Klomp wrote:I know I'm pretty much all alone with my take of Dunn over the others, just like I was basically alone about LaVine over Harris...

C'mon Klomp. Not a couple weeks ago you were defending Murray, then you moved to liking Hield better for a couple days, and now it's Dunn. You were also on the Okafor over Towns side last year up until the Wolves had KAT workout for them and Flip decided he was his guy.

You know you're quite the company guy, you always embrace that role. Just admit it openly already.

How does that make me the company guy? Information changes. Sticking with one guy just to prove to everyone else that you were right all the way since the season started is foolish.

I liked Okafor. Even after I switched to only wanting us to draft Towns I was defending Okafor because I thought he was getting a bad rap he didn't deserve. Didn't make me hope for Towns any less.

There are a number of players that I would be ok with on the Timberwolves. Murray and Hield included. Doesn't mean I don't still value Dunn over them.

Krapinsky · Post #1029 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 6:33 pm

Klomp wrote:
NewWolvesOrder wrote:What? You better dig out some threads to prove it. I find it hard to believe.

OK so I wasn't as alone as I remembered. Still was in the minority though...

In the process, I found these fun ones...

Krapinsky wrote:
C.lupus wrote:Please don't take LaVine at 13. Pleeeeaaaasssseeee.

I would be shocked if that were the case. Doesn't seem like a Flip pick at all. He talks about two way players and players that will help our team now and help change the culture. Lavine sounds like the last guys we'd pick.

shangrila wrote:I don't think he's got low BBIQ, that seems harsh. Low BBIQ to me is Anthony Randolph or Michael Beasley, guys that are just flat out incapable of making good plays on purpose. Payne seems like a team oriented guy who can play well within an offence, something neither of the other two guys could claim.

Don't get me wrong, he's never going to be Chris Paul or have a long career as a coach but he won't hurt a team when he's out there either.

Worth noting that at this time two years ago, we were debating Randle vs. Gordon because people were certain Love was going to Boston.

So looks like I pretty much nailed it then. :wink:

Post #1030 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 6:43 pm

And for the record, my takes on Dunn didn't just start when the rumors started flying...

From January:

Klomp wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:One thing I like about Dunn is that he will be 22, he should be ready to contribute right away. Of course some people won't like spending a high pick on a backup, which I think he has to be for us, at least initially.

I think I'd start him day one at SG, unless we're committed to Wiggins there.

Klomp wrote:
vagelis wrote:I liked Kris Dunn very much but when I realised that he is already 22 I have changed my mind. I would select him after the first 4-5 first picks because he has not much potential.

Not much potential?

Sometimes, I wish we (myself included) could just forget about potential and just add guys who actually know how to play basketball. Right now, all we have on our roster is a bunch of athletes who have basketball potential and where has that gotten us?!

Sugarless · Post #1031 » by **Sugarless** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 6:55 pm

Klomp wrote:
Sugarless wrote:
Klomp wrote:I know I'm pretty much all alone with my take of Dunn over the others, just like I was basically alone about LaVine over Harris...

C'mon Klomp. Not a couple weeks ago you were defending Murray, then you moved to liking Hield better for a couple days, and now it's Dunn. You were also on the Okafor over Towns side last year up until the Wolves had KAT workout for them and Flip decided he was his guy.

You know you're quite the company guy, you always embrace that role. Just admit it openly already.

How does that make me the company guy? Information changes. Sticking with one guy just to prove to everyone else that you were right all the way since the season started is foolish.

I liked Okafor. Even after I switched to only wanting us to draft Towns I was defending Okafor because I thought he was getting a bad rap he didn't deserve. Didn't make me hope for Towns any less.

There are a number of players that I would be ok with on the Timberwolves. Murray and Hield included. Doesn't mean I don't still value Dunn over them.

Liking one player over the other or changing your mind over time is not what makes you a company guy. Defending the franchise's views (whether official, rumored or merely perceived) basically every single time does.

ESPNSAMI · Post #1032 » by **ESPNSAMI** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 6:57 pm

The wolves lack shooting and spacing. Drafting Dunn makes no sense

Mattya · Post #1033 » by **Mattya** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 7:06 pm

Wolves also lack defense. Dunn does that. He can also create spacing by breaking down the defense and getting into the lane.

TwolvesFanRome · Post #1034 » by **TwolvesFanRome** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 7:11 pm

Bender
Hield
Murray
Dunn

That s my preference for our #5 if everyone fall to 5th of course..

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1035 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 7:38 pm

Mattya wrote:Wolves also lack defense. Dunn does that. He can also create spacing by breaking down the defense and getting into the lane.

It's far from guarantee. You speak about it like about a fact.

jpatrick · Post #1036 » by **jpatrick** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 7:47 pm

ESPNSAMI wrote:The wolves lack shooting and spacing. Drafting Dunn makes no sense

Unless Thibs thinks he'll be a substantially better PG long term than Rubio. I know this board doesn't think that, but Thibs may feel differently.

TaylorTag · Post #1037 » by **TaylorTag** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 8:12 pm

I'm beginning to think Dunn doesn't make it to #3

There are two teams that have tradable assets for the Celtics pick: Sacramento (Cousins) and the 76ers (Okafor)

Both those teams have a need for Dunn, and Celtics don't seem like they want to wait for a rookie to develop. All I am saying is that I don't think the Celtics will be pick at three and I think the player selected at that pick is most likely to be Dunn..

If that's the case, I think that we need to take Murray.

I think he is better than Hield (dude is only 18) and he has versatility in that he can play both guard spots.

There's also a good chance that Murray will develop into the better player than Dunn and Hield when it is all set and done.

Krapinsky · Post #1038 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 8:17 pm

April 25th

Klomp wrote:I still think we have to take one of the two guards if we are outside the Top 3 and they're there at the pick.

If I have to choose between the two of them, I take Murray.

May 8th

Klomp wrote:Thinking about my big board more since last night, I would place Poeltl at 5 -- behind Murray but ahead of Hield.

Dunn to MN steam started picking up after Doogie started some smoke signals after the combine around May 17...

Takingbaconback · Post #1039 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 8:31 pm

Pretty stupid people are arguing against somebody changing their draft board within the last month and a half. That's what is supposed to happen unless you got the number 1 pick with LeBron for the picking. It should be the other way around if your pick hasn't wavered, you haven't been open minded enough to consider other scenarios.

Takingbaconback · Post #1040 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 8:32 pm

Lakers612 wrote:I'm beginning to think Dunn doesn't make it to #3

There are two teams that have tradable assets for the Celtics pick: Sacramento (Cousins) and the 76ers (Okafor)

Both those teams have a need for Dunn, and Celtics don't seem like they want to wait for a rookie to develop. All I am saying is that I don't think the Celtics will be pick at three and I think the player selected at that pick is most likely to be Dunn..

If that's the case, I think that we need to take Murray.

I think he is better than Hield (dude is only 18) and he has versatility in that he can play both guard spots.

There's also a good chance that Murray will develop into the better player than Dunn and Hield when it is all set and done.

I also think that Okafor for #3 makes too much sense for it not to happen, especially with Ainge loving him last year.