2016 draft thread: Part 2

[Mattya]

Wolves also lack defense. Dunn does that. He can also create spacing by breaking down the defense and getting into the lane.

It's far from guarantee. You speak about it like about a fact.

I suppose we should say Hield or Murray aren't NBA 3 point shooters either if this is the stance you want to take.

[Sugarless]

Wolves also lack defense. Dunn does that. He can also create spacing by breaking down the defense and getting into the lane.

It's far from guarantee. You speak about it like about a fact.

I suppose we should say Hield or Murray aren't NBA 3 point shooters either if this is the stance you want to take.

To be fair, being a good shooter translates much more easily than being a good defender or being able to get into the lane.

[Mattya]

It's far from guarantee. You speak about it like about a fact.

I suppose we should say Hield or Murray aren't NBA 3 point shooters either if this is the stance you want to take.

To be fair, being a good shooter translates much more easily than being a good defender or being able to get into the lane.

Its just such a pointless argument.

[Krapinsky]

Pretty stupid people are arguing against somebody changing their draft board within the last month and a half. That's what is supposed to happen unless you got the number 1 pick with LeBron for the picking. It should be the other way around if your pick hasn't wavered, you haven't been open minded enough to consider other scenarios.

Oh not saying there is anything wrong with it, I just wonder if Klomp has talked himself into the most likely scenario due to the smoke that's out there.

[MrTwister]

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[Takingbaconback]

Pretty stupid people are arguing against somebody changing their draft board within the last month and a half. That's what is supposed to happen unless you got the number 1 pick with LeBron for the picking. It should be the other way around if your pick hasn't wavered, you haven't been open minded enough to consider other scenarios.

Oh not saying there is anything wrong with it, I just wonder if Klomp has talked himself into the most likely scenario due to the smoke that's out there.

Oh there were other people saying how Klomp's opinion is less valued because he's not sticking with one guy throughout the process. I thought you were adding to that. I would think that people who cycle through more prospects would have less bias like the one you presented just because they've really visualized what it would be like having one guy over another instead of saying "oh he can't do this, so no, we aren't going to take him". LIke some people just cross off Poeltl b/c they want a 4 next to KAT instead, but KAT/Poeltl would be an extremely consistent combination with good interior passing, great finishing efficiency, and great rebounding. Not that I want him over Bender, but I think there is merit in considering a lot of guys cuz wolves got a lot of versatile players.

[wildvikeswolves]

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Awesome

[jpatrick]

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I have no idea who this guy is, but he has 25k followers and David Stein has cited him as a source, so I'm guessing he's solid.

I would have to think for him to be the pick though, he'd have to workout for us. Hard to imagine Thibs picking someone he's never seen at least workout in person.

[C.lupus]

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I have no idea who this guy is, but he has 25k followers and David Stein has cited him as a source, so I'm guessing he's solid.

I would have to think for him to be the pick though, he'd have to workout for us. Hard to imagine Thibs picking someone he's never seen at least workout in person.

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[Sugarless]

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I have no idea who this guy is, but he has 25k followers and David Stein has cited him as a source, so I'm guessing he's solid.

I would have to think for him to be the pick though, he'd have to workout for us. Hard to imagine Thibs picking someone he's never seen at least workout in person.

He's a reporter who covers European basketball. He's usually reliable when it comes to European guys, at least more than most US based reporters.

[Murphs56]

I'm sure we'll hear a lot of stories come out about who the Wolves have interest in. I expect Bender to be gone by 5 but who knows

[NewWolvesOrder]

Wolves also lack defense. Dunn does that. He can also create spacing by breaking down the defense and getting into the lane.

It's far from guarantee. You speak about it like about a fact.

I suppose we should say Hield or Murray aren't NBA 3 point shooters either if this is the stance you want to take.

Defensively, Dunn has elite physical tools, with the size, wingspan, and foot speed to be a lockdown defender when dialed in. Dunn tends to float off the ball, constantly in search of lazy passes for opportunities to force a steal and start a transition breakaway. This can certainly work – as we noted above, he has a prolific steal rate – but it leaves him out of position far too frequently, as he can be prone to being burned by back door cuts, lacks awareness in recognizing screens, and struggles to defend pick and rolls. Dunn's also prone to reaching more often than he should, picking up some entirely unnecessary fouls which limits his ability to stay on the floor. The potential is there, but his current consistency and effectiveness might be overstated if you just watched his highlights or saw his gaudy steal numbers.

Doesn't sound like a future DPOY to me

[Klomp]

April 25th

Spoiler:

I still think we have to take one of the two guards if we are outside the Top 3 and they're there at the pick.

If I have to choose between the two of them, I take Murray.

May 8th

Spoiler:

Thinking about my big board more since last night, I would place Poeltl at 5 -- behind Murray but ahead of Hield.

Dunn to MN steam started picking up after Doogie started some smoke signals after the combine around May 17...

May 26

When it comes to the three guards, I would be very comfortable with either Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn joining Ricky Rubio and Zach LaVine in a three-guard rotation. If it's Buddy Hield, we would need to add Tyus Jones or another PG into the rotation.

On May 27 I was defending Jamal Murray.

Also May 27

Hield, Bender, Murray, Dunn....they all project to be elite role players. That's exactly the types of players we need to be adding. We have the top-end talent, but we need to continue surrounding them with the right pieces. I would be completely fine with any of the four listed above.

May 7

After the top three guys, I'm at a point where I could be comfortable with about 10 different guys being our pick.

That still holds true. I may be banging the desk the hardest for Dunn, but there are still a bunch of guys I'd be OK with at 5.

Did I start campaigning for him a little harder after the Wolfson report? Probably. But it's because the more I thought about it, the more I got excited about him fitting in a Thibodeau system.

I always try to be rational in my arguments, even while other posters are sending personal attacks my way. Not even talking about today, but sometimes people get way too invested in something they have no control over. I just laugh when someone tries to accuse me of being on the company payroll as if it's a bad thing. I wish! If I was, that'd be great! I'd be much better off financially than I am now.

[Klomp]

Doesn't sound like a future DPOY to me

So anyone who's not a DPOY is a poor defender?

[NewWolvesOrder]

Doesn't sound like a future DPOY to me

So anyone who's not a DPOY is a poor defender?

it was a hyperbole, smartass. But I don't peg steal gamblers from college ball as automatic plus defenders in the pros like some on this board do. We have first hand examples of Wiggins and Dieng that college reputation as a good defender means absolutely nothing in the NBA.

[gopher wolf]

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Great! I was starting to get the impression/gut feeling that we might pass on him if he were available.

[Klomp]

Great! I was starting to get the impression/gut feeling that we might pass on him if he were available.

I don't think we would...though it'd be interesting to see what we'd do in this scenario:

1. Simmons
2. Ingram
3. Hield
4. Murray

Does Thibs lean Bender or Dunn?

[Mattya]

Doesn't sound like a future DPOY to me

So anyone who's not a DPOY is a poor defender?

Remember claiming Dunn is a defender is the same as him being future DPOY.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Doesn't sound like a future DPOY to me

So anyone who's not a DPOY is a poor defender?

Remember claiming Dunn is a defender is the same as him being future DPOY.

[Mattya]

So anyone who's not a DPOY is a poor defender?

Remember claiming Dunn is a defender is the same as him being future DPOY.

That is what you posted.