Iowa Wolves/G League talk

winforlose · Post #1061 » by **winforlose** » Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:31 pm

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winforlose wrote:For the sake of argument let’s assume this. Miller is 21 and coachable. He hasn’t achieved anything in the NBA so his ego isn’t inflated yet.

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Does this mean your answer is no, he cannot learn to play defense? Out of curiosity how was Ant’s defense in year 1 and 2?

Post #1062 » by **Klomp** » Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:40 pm

winforlose wrote:Does this mean your answer is no, he cannot learn to play defense? Out of curiosity how was Ant’s defense in year 1 and 2?

I didn't say anything about his defense. I think he can be a better interior defender than Luka Garza, I'll give you that. Ho good, I don't know...

BlacJacMac · Post #1063 » by **BlacJacMac** » Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:58 pm

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:For the sake of argument let’s assume this. Miller is 21 and coachable. He hasn’t achieved anything in the NBA so his ego isn’t inflated yet.

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All of these are 12-14 months old and took place within 6 months of him being drafted.

If the same problems are persisting, wouldn't we be seeing similar tweets?

winforlose · Post #1064 » by **winforlose** » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:25 pm

Miller shows some promise, but his defense is an issue. Minott shows some promise, but his BBIQ is an issue and his game is rough. Dilly shows promise but his size and defense are an issue. TSJ shows promise but his 3 point shooting is an issue. Clark shows promise but his offense is an issue. The fact that we have 5 young guys who might one day be rotation worthy is a good problem to have. But, figuring out which ones to work in and how to use them is something we must legitimately start doing. The status quo is unacceptable at present.

minimus · Post #1065 » by **minimus** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 8:17 am

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Absolutely love this game from Clark: he was decisive shooting threes both catch-and-shoot and pull up, played under control in defense, forcing opponent turnovers and guarding his own player.

My absolute pipe dream would be Clark following Josh Hart development path and becoming definition of high IQ tough guard, who can hit open threes, and will 100% to help his team win, rebounds, screens, steals, deflections, timely rotations etc. I feel like Josh Hart has been misunderstood as 3&D player, but he is really a special player.

Obviously Hart at this stage of his career is much more talented offensive player than Clark: better ballhandler, better passer, better slasher. But I like Clark work ethic and passion and I believe he can get there

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Norseman79 · Post #1066 » by **Norseman79** » Sun Jan 5, 2025 5:29 pm

Clark replaces NAW next year. This is the way.

winforlose · Post #1067 » by **winforlose** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 7:53 am

Norseman79 wrote:Clark replaces NAW next year. This is the way.

No, Shannon replaces DDV, DDV replaces NAW, this is A way. Another is we resign NAW to whatever the market will bear. Hold him till December, or January, or February, and trade him using his increased money, and get someone back who can play the position. Clark is a guy likely to be where Shannon is now (outside the rotation looking in,) and on a very cheap 4 year deal.

Norseman79 · Post #1068 » by **Norseman79** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 5:28 pm

winforlose wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:Clark replaces NAW next year. This is the way.

No, Shannon replaces DDV, DDV replaces NAW, this is A way. Another is we resign NAW to whatever the market will bear. Hold him till December, or January, or February, and trade him using his increased money, and get someone back who can play the position. Clark is a guy likely to be where Shannon is now (outside the rotation looking in,) and on a very cheap 4 year deal.

Except Clark is better than Shannon defensively. If he continues to hit open 3's at a decent rate, it really isn't a question.

winforlose · Post #1069 » by **winforlose** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 5:59 pm

Norseman79 wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:Clark replaces NAW next year. This is the way.

No, Shannon replaces DDV, DDV replaces NAW, this is A way. Another is we resign NAW to whatever the market will bear. Hold him till December, or January, or February, and trade him using his increased money, and get someone back who can play the position. Clark is a guy likely to be where Shannon is now (outside the rotation looking in,) and on a very cheap 4 year deal.

Except Clark is better than Shannon defensively. If he continues to hit open 3's at a decent rate, it really isn't a question.

If Clark is better at the NBA level on defense then you may be right. I need to see that translate. TSJ seems to have more offensive tools. The delta would need to be significant on defense and 3 point shooting. BTW TSJ is listed at 6’6 215, Clark is listed at 6’4, 205. Wingspans are 6’9 for Clark and 6’8.75 for TSJ so basically identical.

minimus · Post #1070 » by **minimus** » Mon Jan 6, 2025 7:37 pm

winforlose wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
winforlose wrote:
No, Shannon replaces DDV, DDV replaces NAW, this is A way. Another is we resign NAW to whatever the market will bear. Hold him till December, or January, or February, and trade him using his increased money, and get someone back who can play the position. Clark is a guy likely to be where Shannon is now (outside the rotation looking in,) and on a very cheap 4 year deal.

Except Clark is better than Shannon defensively. If he continues to hit open 3's at a decent rate, it really isn't a question.

If Clark is better at the NBA level on defense then you may be right. I need to see that translate. TSJ seems to have more offensive tools. The delta would need to be significant on defense and 3 point shooting. BTW TSJ is listed at 6’6 215, Clark is listed at 6’4, 205. Wingspans are 6’9 for Clark and 6’8.75 for TSJ so basically identical.

Based on size Clark is clearly more a guard than a wing. However, he lacks guards skills such as passing, ballhandling and slashing

wolves_89 · Post #1071 » by **wolves_89** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:19 pm

Somewhat interesting addition for Iowa.

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winforlose · Post #1072 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 7:26 pm

wolves_89 wrote:Somewhat interesting addition for Iowa.

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What this tells me is the plan is to have Newton spend some time in Minnesota at some point. Nix being gone hurts so they added Bailey to replace him in Iowa. Bailey’s numbers thus far in the G scream that he belongs in the G. Newton on the other hand, might not.

minimus · Post #1073 » by **minimus** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 8:13 am

wolves_89 wrote:Somewhat interesting addition for Iowa.

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Looks like another 6'4-6'5 comboguard with defensive potential. His 3PT shot is not there yet. Also he played with Jaylen Clark

winforlose · Post #1074 » by **winforlose** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:57 am

Iowa playing now ESPN+. Box score below for those interested. At halftime, TSJ has 24 on 8 of 14, Newton has 10 on 4 of 7. No Jesse Edwards tonight. Of course Miller, Minott, Clark, and Garza all played for Minnesota tonight.

https://gleague.nba.com/game/iwa-vs-slc-2022400083?view=box-score

shrink · Post #1075 » by **shrink** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:35 am

Shannon finished with 47!

As an older rookie, he is too good for the G-League, and he’s not going to learn much against that level of competition. However, we don’t have minutes for him on the big club, and it’s quite likely we won’t have minutes next year as bringing back NAW becomes more of a priority.

wolves_89 · Post #1076 » by **wolves_89** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:41 am

shrink wrote:Shannon finished with 47!

As an older rookie, he is too good for the G-League, and he’s not going to learn much against that level of competition. However, we don’t have minutes for him on the big club, and it’s quite likely we won’t have minutes next year as bringing back NAW becomes more of a priority.

I disagree about there being nothing to learn at the G-League level. If the Iowa Wolves use the same system as the big club there is a ton of value in getting game time reps. I think even Dillingham should go down and play a handful of games just to get live action experience. I truly believe that the G-League minutes Shannon got tonight were significanlty more valuable that the 3 garbage time minutes he might have gotten if he was with the Wolves (those were basically 3 minutes of pickup basketball). Eventually the value of playing in the G-League becomes minimal for some guys (Garza being the most obvious example), but Shannon playing 3 games is nowhere near that point.

winforlose · Post #1077 » by **winforlose** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:09 am

shrink wrote:Shannon finished with 47!

As an older rookie, he is too good for the G-League, and he’s not going to learn much against that level of competition. However, we don’t have minutes for him on the big club, and it’s quite likely we won’t have minutes next year as bringing back NAW becomes more of a priority.

5 rebounds, 1 AS, 2 steals, 3 TO. There are still things he can learn. He had some sloppy possessions and his transition defense left enough to be desired. His lack of assists was also not the typical good player has teammates miss, he has work to do as a playmaker.

Post #1078 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:24 am

This game served two purposes:

1. Keeps him in game shape. The road is hard for him to dent the Minnesota rotation, so getting him time keeps him fresh.
2. Showcase game for 29 teams. I think Minnesota's plans for Shannon likely changed once the trade happened. Not only did it add a body ahead of him in the current wing depth chart, but it also made it more likely that Alexander-Walker can be kept past the 2025 offseason. These two things both possibly mean that Shannon could be maximized as an asset at the trade deadline.

winforlose · Post #1079 » by **winforlose** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:02 am

Klomp wrote:This game served two purposes:

1. Keeps him in game shape. The road is hard for him to dent the Minnesota rotation, so getting him time keeps him fresh.
2. Showcase game for 29 teams. I think Minnesota's plans for Shannon likely changed once the trade happened. Not only did it add a body ahead of him in the current wing depth chart, but it also made it more likely that Alexander-Walker can be kept past the 2025 offseason. These two things both possibly mean that Shannon could be maximized as an asset at the trade deadline.

Or

1. It gives him so run in a system like ours to help prepare him for if he gets minutes.

2. We expect to let NAW walk because he doesn’t want to stay and be a bench player. TSJ is a viable body in case of injuries and next year he might actually be in the rotation.

We don’t know the ownership situation, we don’t know the GM situation, we don’t know the injury situation, and we don’t know the free agent situation. With that many unknowns anything we come up with is possible. I might be right, you might be right, we might both be wrong.

minimus · Post #1080 » by **minimus** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:36 am

winforlose wrote:
shrink wrote:Shannon finished with 47!

As an older rookie, he is too good for the G-League, and he’s not going to learn much against that level of competition. However, we don’t have minutes for him on the big club, and it’s quite likely we won’t have minutes next year as bringing back NAW becomes more of a priority.

5 rebounds, 1 AS, 2 steals, 3 TO. There are still things he can learn. He had some sloppy possessions and his transition defense left enough to be desired. His lack of assists was also not the typical good player has teammates miss, he has work to do as a playmaker.

I think it is difficult to develop a complete game in such games:

- there is no consistency in roster, no chemistry
- TJ is basically the best scorer in Iowa in this game, which I hate to see for his development path.