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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1061 » by minimus » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:14 pm

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Klomp wrote:Hernangomez is 6'8"
Layman is 6'8"
Vanderbilt is 6'8"

At least one of those is absolutely starter quality talent.


In IT we say that for IT system 100% availability is either too expensive or too difficult to technically achieve. Then business and IT team agree on SLA, saying that 99.9% acceptable (which is around 43 minutes per month of downtime). To get 99.99% availability you have to spend WAY more and make your system A LOT more complex. So the owner of the system decides what to do.

We tried to acquire Jones Jr, Millsap, Grant, and other PFs. It is clear that they are either too expensive or prefer another team/situation. We asked about Aaron Gordon, but apparently, ORL wanted two FRPs for him. Again, it is too expensive. I believe that our FO kind of agreed for now, that they won't pay for 100% fit at PF position. They decided to give this roster a chance to play, even if players at PF don't fit ideally.

I hope it is clear what I am trying to say.


It is very clear. I just happen to disagree. We traded Dario, moved a SF Roco to PF. Then we traded Roco and refused to play Spellman (granted he didn’t want to be here, but a lot of that was based on lack of minutes and opportunity.) We tried to make the playoffs, so we played JJ instead of Vanderbilt. We aren’t simply stuck because we struck out, we struck out because these guys see what will happen to them if they come here. Jones Jr talked about this in interview I saw on sbnation yesterday. Rosas wants small ball which is why Layman and JH (who are both big SF rather than PFs,) are the guys.


1) Spellman is not a PF. So you cant play him at PF. At С we preferred Naz Reid, and I totally agree with this decision. Reid with 1+3 contract might be a long term solution. Spellman is a waste of time.
2) By the time of playoffs JJ contract would lost any value as an expiring deal. We don't have cap space next summer when team are preparing to spend and players are preparing to cash in. In this sense, Rubio is a walking trade exception.
3) Jae Crowder is a perfect candidate for PF in MIN, but is paid more than MLE, and want to play in playoff. We had zero chance to get such PF regardless of position
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1062 » by Klomp » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:14 pm

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Do you honestly believe any of those three are viable starters on a playoff team?

No NBA team starts five stars.

Is JaVale McGee a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Derek Fisher a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Luc Longley a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Kendrick Perkins a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Ervin Johnson a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.

Do they need to be upgraded in the long run? Probably. But for a franchise coming off a 19-win season, it's more than acceptable to start one of those guys.


Do we have a current top 5 player like all of those teams did?

No, and that's the difference between a title contender and a team fighting for the playoffs.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1063 » by Midw35t » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:17 pm

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Klomp wrote:No NBA team starts five stars.

Is JaVale McGee a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Derek Fisher a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Luc Longley a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Kendrick Perkins a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Ervin Johnson a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.

Do they need to be upgraded in the long run? Probably. But for a franchise coming off a 19-win season, it's more than acceptable to start one of those guys.


Do we have a current top 5 player like all of those teams did?

No, and that's the difference between a title contender and a team fighting for the playoffs.


I asked if any of the 3 you listed were viable starters for a playoff team. You listed role-players who had star players in place already proven to contend.

Ours are bench players on almost every team.

The frontcourt is KAT, Davis,Reid,Juancho,Layman,Vanderbilt.

Layman shouldnt even be there, as he is a SF.

If KAT gets hurt, what happens?
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1064 » by Klomp » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:22 pm

Midw35t wrote:I asked if any of the 3 you listed were viable starters for a playoff team. You listed role-players on contenders.

There's a difference between playoff teams and contenders. We're not even to the point we're a lock to be a playoff team, why are you worried if they can start for a contender? As they continue to build the team, more talent will be brought in. Upgrades will be made. For a team fighting for the play-in, those three are fine to be starters.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1065 » by Midw35t » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:26 pm

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Midw35t wrote:I asked if any of the 3 you listed were viable starters for a playoff team. You listed role-players on contenders.

There's a difference between playoff teams and contenders. We're not even to the point we're a lock to be a playoff team, why are you worried if they can start for a contender? As they continue to build the team, more talent will be brought in. Upgrades will be made. For a team fighting for the play-in, those three are fine to be starters.


I edited while you were responding it seems. I would appreciate your take on my full edit. Then I will respond to both.
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Post#1066 » by Klomp » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:30 pm

Midw35t wrote:I asked if any of the 3 you listed were viable starters for a playoff team. You listed role-players who had star players in place already proven to contend.

Ours are bench players on almost every team.

The frontcourt is KAT, Davis,Reid,Juancho,Layman,Vanderbilt.

Layman shouldnt even be there, as he is a SF.

If KAT gets hurt, what happens?

If KAT gets hurt, you put his backup in. Same as any star on any team.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1067 » by Midw35t » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:37 pm

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Midw35t wrote:I asked if any of the 3 you listed were viable starters for a playoff team. You listed role-players on contenders.

There's a difference between playoff teams and contenders. We're not even to the point we're a lock to be a playoff team, why are you worried if they can start for a contender? As they continue to build the team, more talent will be brought in. Upgrades will be made. For a team fighting for the play-in, those three are fine to be starters.


I never stated starting off a contending team. I stated that they are not good enough for a playoff team as starters. They are not starting material. Especially next to our star player, as none of them can compensate for his weakness - defense.

Yeah, kAT gets hurt and we sub in a player on the cusp of being out of the NBA.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1068 » by Klomp » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:29 pm

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Midw35t wrote:I asked if any of the 3 you listed were viable starters for a playoff team. You listed role-players on contenders.

There's a difference between playoff teams and contenders. We're not even to the point we're a lock to be a playoff team, why are you worried if they can start for a contender? As they continue to build the team, more talent will be brought in. Upgrades will be made. For a team fighting for the play-in, those three are fine to be starters.


I never stated starting off a contending team. I stated that they are not good enough for a playoff team as starters. They are not starting material. Especially next to our star player, as none of them can compensate for his weakness - defense.

You said that they are not viable starters because you feel they are "role players on contenders." Tells me you're looking only for starters on a contender.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1069 » by Killboard » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:55 pm

Midw35t wrote:
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Midw35t wrote:
Do you honestly believe any of those three are viable starters on a playoff team?

No NBA team starts five stars.

Is JaVale McGee a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Derek Fisher a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Luc Longley a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Kendrick Perkins a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.
Is Ervin Johnson a viable starter on a playoff team? He was.

Do they need to be upgraded in the long run? Probably. But for a franchise coming off a 19-win season, it's more than acceptable to start one of those guys.


Do we have a current top 5 player like all of those teams did?


Was Anthony Davis a top 5 payer in his 7 years with the pels? Was Jokic one in the last 5 seasons? Is Lillard?

Harkless started for a western conference finals team 2 seasons ago. Denver gave a lot of minutes to Craig. The idea about having 5 all stars to start is wrong. You need good role players that make you top15 player look top5 due to the right system.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1070 » by Jedzz » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:57 pm

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Jedzz wrote:D. Two way contracts suck. The players live on ketchup sandwiches.

Yeah, living on $385,000/year is rough. I don't know how they survive. Too poor to live on anything other than ramen and hot dogs.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1071 » by minimus » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:10 pm

Killboard wrote:Denver gave a lot of minutes to Craig. The idea about having 5 all stars to start is wrong. You need good role players that make you top15 player look top5 due to the right system.


I really wish we could steal Craig from DEN this offseason.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1072 » by old school 34 » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:23 pm

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Killboard wrote:Denver gave a lot of minutes to Craig. The idea about having 5 all stars to start is wrong. You need good role players that make you top15 player look top5 due to the right system.


I really wish we could steal Craig from DEN this offseason.
Craig...ended up with Bucks...nice under the radar deal...that gives them a #1 wing stopper.

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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1073 » by Killboard » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:57 pm

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Killboard wrote:Denver gave a lot of minutes to Craig. The idea about having 5 all stars to start is wrong. You need good role players that make you top15 player look top5 due to the right system.


I really wish we could steal Craig from DEN this offseason.

He is a good player. But his ceiling is not far from Okogie or even Juancho. Juancho has a different style obviously, also like 5 years younger, but he could be similarly valuable with the right team around.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1074 » by Rookie-Mistake » Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:20 pm

1-3-1

Do you guys understand the concept FFS.

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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1075 » by minimus » Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:25 pm

Killboard wrote:
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Killboard wrote:Denver gave a lot of minutes to Craig. The idea about having 5 all stars to start is wrong. You need good role players that make you top15 player look top5 due to the right system.


I really wish we could steal Craig from DEN this offseason.

He is a good player. But his ceiling is not far from Okogie or even Juancho. Juancho has a different style obviously, also like 5 years younger, but he could be similarly valuable with the right team around.


Yeah, but at 3-4mil I would be happy to have one more perimeter defender with dog mentality.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1076 » by King Malta » Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:43 pm

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Do we have a current top 5 player like all of those teams did?

No, and that's the difference between a title contender and a team fighting for the playoffs.


I asked if any of the 3 you listed were viable starters for a playoff team. You listed role-players who had star players in place already proven to contend.

Ours are bench players on almost every team.

The frontcourt is KAT, Davis,Reid,Juancho,Layman,Vanderbilt.

Layman shouldnt even be there, as he is a SF.

If KAT gets hurt, what happens?


If Curry gets hurt what happens?

If Lebron gets hurt what happens?

If Giannis gets hurt what happens?

If Harden gets hurt what happens?

If Butler gets hurt what happens?

If Booker gets hurt what happens?


If any team loses their star they suffer. Take all of the above mentioned players out of their teams and their record would be considerably worse, the teams in the West wouldn't make the playoffs.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1077 » by m2002brian » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:35 am

What if there were no hypothetical questions?
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1078 » by KGdaBom » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:57 am

m2002brian wrote:What if there were no hypothetical questions?

Where have you been? :o
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1079 » by Wolves21 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:08 am

Russell/Rubio
Edwards/Beasley
Okogie/Culver
Hernangomez/Layman
Towns/Davis

That should be the depth chart and rotation with Reid,Vanderbilt and McLaughlin only getting burn if injuries and McDaniels & Hagans should be mostly in the G League getting a ton of minuets.
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Post#1080 » by andyhop » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:50 am

Wolves21 wrote:Russell/Rubio
Edwards/Beasley
Okogie/Culver
Hernangomez/Layman
Towns/Davis

That should be the depth chart and rotation with Reid,Vanderbilt and McLaughlin only getting burn if injuries and McDaniels & Hagans should be mostly in the G League getting a ton of minuets.


KAT should just ask for a trade on opening night if that is the starting line up
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