Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[shrink]

I don't care about KAT complaining, I care that he can't seem to let things go which often ends with him committing a foolish foul. He needs to develop the ability to forget the past play and only focus on the current action.

Be a goldfish, KAT!

[Grubie024]

I had to alter the previous trade because MIN can’t legally reclaim Juancho, so here’s the final version.

MIN GIVES: Beasley, Okogie, Layman and DEN 2022 2nd
MIN GETS: Richardson, Dieng, Lou Williams, Solomon Hill (out), ATL 2023 2nd

BOS GIVES:: Richardson, Juancho
BOS GETS: Beasley, Layman, DEN 2022 2nd

ATL GIVES: Dieng, Lou Williams, Solomon Hill (out), ATL 2023 2nd
ATL GETS: Okogie, Juancho

(Lou Williams can decline the trade, so if he wants to go back to California, waive Hill, then follow up with)

MIN GIVES: Lou Williams
MIN GETS: Bazemore, DeAndre Jordan, 2024 LAL 2nd

Overall, MIN can look at this as Beasley-for-Richardson, and Okogie-for-Dieng, with $3 mil in payroll relief next year, and trading one of our three 2022 2nds, for two more future 2nds. We would likely waive Hill, Bazemore and Jordan, and have two open roster spots.

I think Richardson and Beasley are comparable players, but JRich is more two-way, and may not overlap future minutes for Nowell as much as Malik. He and Jaylen also mean some DNP-CD’s for Okogie. Dieng is just our fifth big when we need size, can shoot to spread the floor a bit, and he already knows KAT. It’s not a big sexy deal, but I think it makes us better for the playoffs.

Reasons for the other teams can be found here: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2154177

I was just looking at J Rich yesterday...
I agree that it is basically a Beasley for Richardson deal, however, two things I wonder.
1. Do we expect Beasley to regain his shot/confidence and does that mean he impacts winning more than we expect Richardson would? Personally I think he will regain that swagger, could definitely be wrong though.
2. Okogie or Dieng hmmm. What's driving the Wolves success this year is hustle and improved defense. Okogie personifies those two things, and those habits can't be fully engrained here, not after the horrid years we've seen lately. I think Okogie has some intangible value in this regard. When I think of Dieng I think of Knight and Reid. I don't see Dieng outproducing them by any substantial amount and I'm intrigued by Knight. He has good size, can move and seems to have decent touch. Would like him to get some minutes/grow.

Your proposition makes sense and saving $ would be potentially big. I believe we're close to luxury next year?

Unless a GM is willing to give up a good amount for Beasley (unlikely), I can't see us shipping him.... If he figures it out, dude is a flamethrower. He can't stay this bad forever.

I'm not the creative type, but it seems we don't have too many moves to make. We've got a solid squad actually, just need to keep growing.

[Dewey]

So … KAT is a mental midget … let’s just leave it at that

[winforlose]

The only real question for this thread is whether the current starting 5 is truly untouchable? If it is untouchable then we make small moves for role players and depth and maybe attach one highly protected first or a bunch of seconds. If the lineup is not untouchable we commit to a starting PF or C. Then we decide whether to move V8 to the 3 or the bench.

Personally I think the sample size is too small and the opponent strength was not strong enough to reach untouchable. It is also concerning that Pat Bev is once again having groin issues. I read today Finch is unsure about Bev playing on Sunday. As the deadline creeps nearer we are getting precious few chances to see this lineup in action. A lot might come down to those few games.

[Norseman79]

I don't think the starting five is untouchable. I do think that one of the five players starting should be the 6th man.

[IceManBK1]

beasley+Reid+late 1st for Myles Turner?

[shrink]

I think that since the starting five has been so ridiculously successful (Net Rtg 50+), I don’t think Finch can afford to mess up the delicate alchemy he has created with several one-way players.

Want numbers? Beverly, Vanderbilt and Russell are #14, #16, and #18 on RAPTOR. I can’t see us replacing Towns or Ant.

I think we will see trades that improve our bench. with a couple two-way vets. However, with Nowell, McDaniels and Naz looking so strong lately, I doubt we’re even making a big trade here. We still need a big defensive PF banger to match up against teams that go big. I could also see us trade for a swingman that can shoot three’s in case Beasley doesn’t come around, and maybe pick up a third string older PG for cheap, in case DLo or Bev get hurt.

[winforlose]

beasley+Reid+late 1st for Myles Turner?

As much as I want to say yes I have to say no. First, trading away Reid takes away depth. Second, Turner came out and said he wants to be a star. He would be miserable here and then leave. At best he is a fourth option probably the 5th option with Bev coming alive.

[IceManBK1]

beasley+Reid+late 1st for Myles Turner?

As much as I want to say yes I have to say no. First, trading away Reid takes away depth. Second, Turner came out and said he wants to be a star. He would be miserable here and then leave. At best he is a fourth option probably the 5th option with Bev coming alive.

we wouldn't lose much depth..both turner and towns can switch back and forth b/w pf and center. i think turner just wants a bigger role, not becoming the focal point of the offense.

We could be the 3rd team to help Pacers get Simmons..and we get Turner. Maybe sth like Simmons and Maxey going to Ind. Brogdon, Beasley, Mcdaniels and two 1sts from Min going to Philly. Lamb and Turner goes to Min.

[winforlose]

beasley+Reid+late 1st for Myles Turner?

As much as I want to say yes I have to say no. First, trading away Reid takes away depth. Second, Turner came out and said he wants to be a star. He would be miserable here and then leave. At best he is a fourth option probably the 5th option with Bev coming alive.

we wouldn't lose much depth..both turner and towns can switch back and forth b/w pf and center. i think turner just wants a bigger role, not becoming the focal point of the offense.

We could be the 3rd team to help Pacers get Simmons..and we get Turner. Maybe sth like Simmons and Maxey going to Ind. Brogdon, Beasley, Mcdaniels and two 1sts from Min going to Philly. Lamb and Turner goes to Min.

Now you really lost me. 1, You went from Beasley, Reid and a 1st to Beasley, McDaniels, and 2 firsts. I would only give a package like that for a superstar and Turner isn’t even close to worth that.

Edit to add, Turner said he wants to be a star not a role player. Here he is the definition of a role player.

[ClarkeW]

With the rumors of a Trail Blazers yard sale heating up, do you guys think something like this is doable?

Taurean Prince + 2nd Round Pick

for

Robert Covington

It’s a smaller move than a lot of people here are hoping for but I think it’s the sort of move along the margins that can pay some good dividends (like the Beverley deal in the off-season). It would improve our defense, give us another veteran presence and solidify our 10th rotation player heading into the playoffs. We have three second round picks this year as well so it makes sense to move at least one of those in a deal like this. The connection to Towns and the Wolves is just a plus.

It’s a no-brainer if you ask me. The only question is if the Blazers want more for Covington, but I’m not sure if they’ll get more than a second rounder and an expiring.

[Neeva]

The problem is there are about 4-5 teams who are starving for a PF as well. Boston, Miami,Lakers, Chicago etc.

[shrink]

Windhorst said on Doogie’s podcast that several teams have called about Josh Okogie.

[Klomp]

Prince for Covington works. Why would Portland do it though?

Trading Okogie for a PF/C makes a ton of sense as an easy move to strengthen the team without disrupting the chemistry. Wish I knew the mindset of the NYK front office, but I think Thibs would trade Toppin for Okogie if he were running the show.

[wolves_89]

Windhorst said on Doogie’s podcast that several teams have called about Josh Okogie.

My guess is that Atlanta and Utah have a strong interest. Both teams are lacking in point of attack defense and have enough offense to make playing Okogie worthwhile.

I think Josh might have more trade value than people expect, he's 5th overall in defensive EPM and 3rd overall in defensive RAPTOR (he's basically in the elite tier of defenders). His problem with the Wolves is that Beverley/McDaniels have largely filled the defensive point of attack role and Okogie just doesn't shoot well enough to get on the court outside that role.

I can see Okogie being useful in a playoff series, so I probably wouldn't move him unless the return was more than 2nd round picks. One scenario that would be interesting would be Okogie+2 2nds for Reddish.

[ClarkeW]

Prince for Covington works. Why would Portland do it though? .

I’m just basing it off the rumors that Portland is looking considering this a lost season and ready to trade off their spare parts like Nurkic, Covington, etc. I’m thinking they won’t get much more than an expiring and a second round pick for Covington personally, but you can never be sure.

[shrink]

Windhorst said on Doogie’s podcast that several teams have called about Josh Okogie.

My guess is that Atlanta and Utah have a strong interest. Both teams are lacking in point of attack defense and have enough offense to make playing Okogie worthwhile.

I think Josh might have more trade value than people expect, he's 5th overall in defensive EPM and 3rd overall in defensive RAPTOR (he's basically in the elite tier of defenders). His problem with the Wolves is that Beverley/McDaniels have largely filled the defensive point of attack role and Okogie just doesn't shoot well enough to get on the court outside that role.

I can see Okogie being useful in a playoff series, so I probably wouldn't move him unless the return was more than 2nd round picks. One scenario that would be interesting would be Okogie+2 2nds for Reddish.

Wow! I had no idea! When you parse the qualifications down to 330 minutes or more, DEF RAPTOR is

+7.7. Rudy Gobert
+7.5. Nikola Jokic
+7.4. Josh Okogie

[KGdaBom]

Vanderbilt is making me lose my desire of trading for Simmons.

[winforlose]

Vanderbilt is making me lose my desire of trading for Simmons.

I almost posted Ben who? But I figured it went without saying. I guess not.

[Klomp]

Watching Towns, regardless of talent, is joyless. It can’t be fun playing with him. If KAT had the work ethic and head down demeanor of Vando, he’d be a guy teammates follow into battle. He’s not putting the team first with his **** attitude. Get the **** back on D and talk to the refs at a clock stoppage. Have some **** tact.

Was it joyless watching him tonight?