2022 Free Agency

[Klomp]

Note that this salary is less than the vet min, so we can use the full BAE, but, barring some sort of payroll-saving trade, we’d be too close to the lux to do much of anything later.

This is why I think we stay at 14, and wait to use BAE/TPE for potential deadline deals.

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From hoopshype “Shams Charania: Minnesota Timberwolves No. 45 pick Josh Minott has agreed to a four-year, $6.8 million rookie deal, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. 19 seconds ago – via Twitter ShamsCharania”

Spot 14 is filled. One two qualifying offer has been extended to Knight, the other is still open.

Great! Hopefully each year is a team option, so a true Gupta Special.

Note that this salary is less than the vet min, so we can use the full BAE, but, barring some sort of payroll-saving trade, we’d be too close to the lux to do much of anything later.

14 rosters spots are full with a max of 15. Two ways and camp contracts don’t count against the cap or tax. We can use the full BAE almost the full TPE on spot 15 and stay below the tax. Then at mid season maybe trade someone for picks to open a roster spot for buyout market. Maybe Rivers or Forbes or both?

[shrink]

Note that this salary is less than the vet min, so we can use the full BAE, but, barring some sort of payroll-saving trade, we’d be too close to the lux to do much of anything later.

This is why I think we stay at 14, and wait to use BAE/TPE for potential deadline deals.

I agree, except for the slim chance that a significant rotation-level player emerges that doesn’t have a home. But yeah, I think we hold on to that last bullet if possible.

Very happy to see this deal for Minott. Now looking at two-ways.

[winforlose]

Note that this salary is less than the vet min, so we can use the full BAE, but, barring some sort of payroll-saving trade, we’d be too close to the lux to do much of anything later.

This is why I think we stay at 14, and wait to use BAE/TPE for potential deadline deals.

I agree, except for the slim chance that a significant rotation-level player emerges that doesn’t have a home. But yeah, I think we hold on to that last bullet if possible.

Very happy to see this deal for Minott. Now looking at two-ways.

Apparently the BAE begins to pro-rate after a certain date (the article I read said is was January 10th, but that was a different year.) If true it makes sense to use it before the season on who we want and to find a willing trade partner for someone on the roster we can live without. There are still some decent PF/C combo guys or move to Naz to PF and go get a straight C. I wouldn’t be surprised if we stay at 14, but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see us at 15.

[SO_MONEY]

Note that this salary is less than the vet min, so we can use the full BAE, but, barring some sort of payroll-saving trade, we’d be too close to the lux to do much of anything later.

This is why I think we stay at 14, and wait to use BAE/TPE for potential deadline deals.

I agree, except for the slim chance that a significant rotation-level player emerges that doesn’t have a home. But yeah, I think we hold on to that last bullet if possible.

Very happy to see this deal for Minott. Now looking at two-ways.

I just think it is too easy to move players, some which require serious decisions to know if we roster 14 or 15 guys. I don't necessarily see the roster as settled, if they feel it is for now I suspect they leave the spot open, but if they know they will later address some of these decisions I feel they would be more inclined to use the 15th spot than it superficially appears.

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Looking at next year, could be interesting if we decided to try and pursue a free agent. That could be why we haven't extended Dlo, Naz or Nowell?

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Yea I’m so sad we couldn’t wait for the suns to land durant.

Actually hope jazz and the Knicks can’t make a deal. Jazz will be just good enough to not win the lottery.

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Yea I’m so sad we couldn’t wait for the suns to land durant.

Actually hope jazz and the Knicks can’t make a deal. Jazz will be just good enough to not win the lottery.

The curse of Gobear. Ainge can’t bear to trade Mitchell for less than the Gobert package but if they don’t start tanking this year, the 2026 pick swap will go to waste. They also don’t have enough asset to interest KD. Maybe just sit Mitchell for the next two years

[Domejandro]

I am fairly confident that Utah will find a good deal for Donovan Mitchell, eventually.

[winforlose]

I am fairly confident that Utah will find a good deal for Donovan Mitchell, eventually.

Not if they open negotiations asking for seven first round draft picks. Angie is out of control. Then again so is Brooklyn.

[Klomp]

The curse of Gobear. Ainge can’t bear to trade Mitchell for less than the Gobert package but if they don’t start tanking this year, the 2026 pick swap will go to waste. They also don’t have enough asset to interest KD. Maybe just sit Mitchell for the next two years

It will likely go to waste anyways, since it requires Utah having a better record than us

[TimberKat]

How about helping Ainge, Nets, Heat with the following trade:
Jazz Out: Mitchell, Vanderbilt, Beasley
Jazz In: Kyrie, 3 1st from Heat, maybe Philly 1st via Nets (Jazz flip Kyrie later...)

Nets out: KD, Kyrie, maybe Philly 1st
Nets In: Mitchell, Herro, Robinson, Vanderbilt

Heat out: Robinson, Herro, 3 1st
Heat in: KD, Beasley

Add whatever salary filler to make it work.

[winforlose]

How about helping Ainge, Nets, Heat with the following trade:
Jazz Out: Mitchell, Vanderbilt, Beasley
Jazz In: Kyrie, 3 1st from Heat, maybe Philly 1st via Nets (Jazz flip Kyrie later...)

Nets out: KD, Kyrie, maybe Philly 1st
Nets In: Mitchell, Herro, Robinson, Vanderbilt

Heat out: Robinson, Herro, 3 1st
Heat in: KD, Beasley

Add whatever salary filler to make it work.

It is intriguing, but I think it wouldn’t happen. Even if Simmons is healthy and plays 82 games, (huge ifs,) those 4 players do not make Brooklyn a contender. Brooklyn would likely want to rebuild after trading KD and Kyrie, and thus will want picks and young cheap talent. I mean they could turn around and flip them all for picks, but I don’t see why they would want to give up a first to acquire those guys just to resell.

What I wonder about is Simmons to NYK for 3 or 4 firsts instead of Mitchell. It makes a lot more sense for both teams. A backcourt of Brunson and Simmons would be way more balanced than with Brunson and Mitchell. Simmons, plus Randle and Robinson also lets the Knicks play big ball. Mitchell is a better scorer but undersized and bad at defense. A healthy Simmons helps fill in the gap. They could also use the other 4 picks to target some upgrades. For example Myles Turner and/or others.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

If Simmons wasn’t such a loser, you’d maybe onto something

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If Simmons wasn’t such a loser, you’d maybe onto something

If he wasn’t such a head case he probably would still be with the 76ers.

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The only downside to us is the Jazz might become a power broker with a crazy number of picks. That said, we have the guys to win it all, all we need to do is play ball.

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The only downside to us is the Jazz might become a power broker with a crazy number of picks. That said, we have the guys to win it all, all we need to do is play ball.

For picks to be powerful as trade assets, someone has to want to go to that market to play for that franchise. This is the problem with what teams like Utah and Oklahoma City are trying to do....they are collecting all of these picks, but for what? What is the end goal? I can understand a bigger market like Houston pursuing this market or even when Boston did it, because the draft picks can be used as trade chips to bring in someone who wants to play there. But they're going to have to capitalize on all of this value for it to end up a net win for them in the trade results.

We capitalized at the right time on our draft picks, because we showed we were a team on the rise with star talent before sending out our picks. The trade package also does not come at the expense of losing potential free agent targets, because this is not a traditional destination market for free agents. Gobert wanted to come to Minnesota, because he saw what was being built here. Is Gilgeous-Alexander or Mitchell a big enough star to attract interest?

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The only downside to us is the Jazz might become a power broker with a crazy number of picks. That said, we have the guys to win it all, all we need to do is play ball.

For picks to be powerful as trade assets, someone has to want to go to that market to play for that franchise. This is the problem with what teams like Utah and Oklahoma City are trying to do....they are collecting all of these picks, but for what? What is the end goal? I can understand a bigger market like Houston pursuing this market or even when Boston did it, because the draft picks can be used as trade chips to bring in someone who wants to play there. But they're going to have to capitalize on all of this value for it to end up a net win for them in the trade results.

We capitalized at the right time on our draft picks, because we showed we were a team on the rise with star talent before sending out our picks. The trade package also does not come at the expense of losing potential free agent targets, because this is not a traditional destination market for free agents. Gobert wanted to come to Minnesota, because he saw what was being built here. Is Gilgeous-Alexander or Mitchell a big enough star to attract interest?

You raise a good point. I had a similar discussion with people from the Knicks board last night. I think a lot of this will be decided in the next CBA. If a player can force their way out with 4 or 5 years left on a deal, then Utah is in a weaker position than if they cannot. Utah being able to move 2 or 3 unprotected firsts gives them the power to get talented players. If they also hit on a few talented guys, then I do think they can build a winner. I also believe players are more willing to go to a less attractive city like Salt Lake if they are joining a winner. Then again NYK has trouble attracting free agents and that is because the organization has a history of mismanagement and losing. This could also demonstrate that part of the reason we have been struggling to attract talent is that they fear losing for the same reason. If this is true, TC and Finch will go a long way to changing our narrative, especially if we get to WCF or better this year.

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Yea I’m so sad we couldn’t wait for the suns to land durant.

Actually hope jazz and the Knicks can’t make a deal. Jazz will be just good enough to not win the lottery.

Lore and Arod are pissing everyone off. They also had people mad about the Conely deal at first because of the equity talk. Definitely stirring things up.