2013 Draft Targets (#9, #26, #52, #59)

[Jukeness]

I cant help but think that Gobert could easily be a bust. I dont like the raw international players , I would never feel safe with one. No to any more international players, we have enough.

[LordBaldric]

heck lets pick gobert

ther'es no more cheap centers around that is a shotblocker and plays above the rim

there are still many attainable wings

but i still want to go all-in for mclemore or oladipo

Your avatar is freaking me out man.

[Ducklett]

Would you guys consider like Afflalo + 2nd rounder for 9 + filler?

If the Magic were to get 3 and likely would consider trading down for 9, what exactly would you offer to get up to 3 for Oladepo?

[Gideon]

Would you guys consider like Afflalo + 2nd rounder for 9 + filler?

If the Magic were to get 3 and likely would consider trading down for 9, what exactly would you offer to get up to 3 for Oladepo?

I know some Minny fans really like Afflalo... however, I'm not that high on him. Personally, I wouldn't want to trade for him and would rather keep #9 or try to package #9 and D-Will to move up and pick Oladipo or McLemore.

I can't speak for anybody else, but personally I would offer Derrick Williams and #9 for #3... I don't know if we would have to take somebody back to make salaries match, but if we did I'm sure that could be worked out. I would probably include #26 as well if that was needed to get the job done. Obviously, if this were a real trade I wouldn't put #26 on the table until it was clear #9 & D-Will really weren't cutting it, but I think I'd be willing to include #26 if I had to. So... D-Will, #9, #26 for #3 (Oladipo)

Do you think that would work for the Magic?

[Ducklett]

I won't lie to you and pretend I know anything about Derrick Williams other than he was a high draft pick who is stuck in between positions, supposedly, and hasn't really got a shot because he is behind Kevin Love. I don't know that many Magic fans really like him as a prospect. I think it might have to be #3 + bad contract for D-will, #9, #26 or cut out the bad contract and throw in a small protection future first.

I feel like the drop from 3 to 9 is pretty severe, even in this "bad" draft class. Going from Burke/Noel/Mac/Oladipo to maybe Bennett or Porter with a gift from god. Realistically Larkin/McCollum/Adams.

[Gideon]

Which bad contract do you have in mind?

[Grits n Gravy]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... n-some-gms

Man all the center's outside Steven Adams seem to be toothpicks in terms of weight.

Adams is 7' in shoes, 7'4.5 wingspan and 254.5 pounds age 19
Gobert is 7'2 in shoes, 7'8.5 wingspan and 237.6 pounds age 20
Dieng is 6'10.75 in shoes, 7'3.5 wingspan and 229.6 pounds age 23
Noel is 6'11.75 in shoes, 7'3.75 wingspan and 206.4(!!!!) pounds age 19
Olynyk is 7' in shoes, 6'9.75 wingspan and 234 pounds age 22
Plumblee is 7'0.5 in shoes, 6'11 wingspan and 238.2 pounds age 23
Withey is 7'0.5 in shoes, 7'2 wingspan and 221.8 pounds age 23
Zeller is 7'0.25 in shoes, 6'10.75 wingspan and 230 pounds age 20

Definitely can't see Noel going number one with that weight on top of the ACL injury, most point guards in the league are probably heavier than that. Very concerning for the likes of Dieng, Withey etc with their age and weight it will be difficult for them to defend.

Steven Adams has a terrific frame and strength to defend from day one and he can quite easily put another 10-20 pounds on. His measurements are pretty much identical to Andrew Bogut though Steven is a minutely longer and heavier.

Caldwell-pope measured out well(6'5.5, 6'8, 203.6) good size and length for a prototypical shooting guard.

[PG24]

Jamaal Franklin doesn't generate a lot of buzz but I think he'll be a nice get for whichever team selects him. Possesses a wide array of skills, should become a very good role player.

[Worm Guts]

I don't think anyone is skinny enough to drop, that's pretty low on the priority list.

[Grits n Gravy]

I don't think anyone is skinny enough to drop, that's pretty low on the priority list.

Weight doesn't effect help side defense but it sure does in man to man post ups. I can't see Noel being an overall plus defender or playing any center if he can't put on at least 25-30 pounds which if it does happen will probably take quite a few years. Anthony Davis was too skinny at 220 to play any center at all last year and he actually has an offensive skill set to compensate/fall back on in his ability to play the 4. Not saying he's gonna drop out of the top 3 but I can see that as a major red flag in addition to the injury that might just push him out of the top 1-2.

[Worm Guts]

Weight matters, but in most cases it's one of the more fixable things especially when the prospect is 19.

[Grits n Gravy]

Agree it is fixable for most guys but there are those guys who just can't put it on like Magic Randolph, Chris Johnson or Brandon Wright and starting at 206 is about the lowest point you're going to find for a project center. I guess teams might be worried about the issue not resolving itself over the course of a rookie contract and does he have enough skills to impact the game outside of shot blocking if he can't gain the necessary weight or if his explosiveness doesn't come back in full or if he has future problems in the knee after the surgery.

[Klomp]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2013/story/_/id/9284003/2013-nba-draft-draft-measurements-noel-muhammad-concern-some-gms

Man all the center's outside Steven Adams seem to be toothpicks in terms of weight.

Adams is 7' in shoes, 7'4.5 wingspan and 254.5 pounds age 19
Gobert is 7'2 in shoes, 7'8.5 wingspan and 237.6 pounds age 20
Dieng is 6'10.75 in shoes, 7'3.5 wingspan and 229.6 pounds age 23
Noel is 6'11.75 in shoes, 7'3.75 wingspan and 206.4(!!!!) pounds age 19
Olynyk is 7' in shoes, 6'9.75 wingspan and 234 pounds age 22
Plumblee is 7'0.5 in shoes, 6'11 wingspan and 238.2 pounds age 23
Withey is 7'0.5 in shoes, 7'2 wingspan and 221.8 pounds age 23
Zeller is 7'0.25 in shoes, 6'10.75 wingspan and 230 pounds age 20

Definitely can't see Noel going number one with that weight on top of the ACL injury, most point guards in the league are probably heavier than that. Very concerning for the likes of Dieng, Withey etc with their age and weight it will be difficult for them to defend.

Steven Adams has a terrific frame and strength to defend from day one and he can quite easily put another 10-20 pounds on. His measurements are pretty much identical to Andrew Bogut though Steven is a minutely longer and heavier.

As a comparison, Kevin Garnett entered the draft measured at 6'11", 217 lbs

[Gideon]

Wasn't Noel 228 when he was playing this season?... it sounds like the ACL injury somehow led to him losing weight (maybe he slacked off on his diet and lifting while injured). He also had a very low body fat percentage. Everything considered, I wouldn't be too concerned about his weight in this instance. The moment he's drafted, he'll have a crack team of nutritionists and trainers scheduling his every bite and workout... he should be at least 230 by the time he debuts in the NBA around Christmas.

[champalift]

Looking at the measurements, Gobert's standing reach is 9' 7". That is just crazy.

[Joel Embust]

Looking at the measurements, Gobert's standing reach is 9' 7". That is just crazy.

An inch below Yao Ming.

[Grits n Gravy]

Wow Ford just said lots of GM's were talking about Steve as a top 10 pick NICE

[Klomp]

Damn, almost forgot about today

[Klomp]

With that said, no chance we draft him if we resign Pek or if Adelman has much say. He looks like a taller Chris Johnson who is 7-8 years younger, and we all know how much CJ played when Adelman returned...

And 10 times better

Ten times? D'Okay...
No questions asked he would be the #1 pick if at 7'1"+ without shoes he is ten times better than ANY NBA player.
Give CJ 2" and send him to France to play against some of those guys, I am sure an amazing highlight film would be created. Youtube scouting, woo hoo!!

You act like he's the same weight as Johnson too. He's 238 lbs. Sure that seems light for 7'2", but he still looks a lot stronger than Johnson.

Johnson is a stick. 210 lbs. that's a big reason why Adelman didn't play him, because he got absolutely bullied in the post. Gobert at least has a little more weight to him.

[Worm Guts]

The reason Chris Johnson doesn't play is probably a little more involved than he's skinny and athletic.