Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[winforlose]

So in order to make my suggested trade we must convert Knight to a Naz style contract.

Wolves give Beasley, Prince, Reid, top 14 protected first.
Wolves get Christian Wood, Daniel Theis, Michael Frazier iI (two way player.)

Thoughts?

[m2002brian]

Watching Towns, regardless of talent, is joyless. It can’t be fun playing with him. If KAT had the work ethic and head down demeanor of Vando, he’d be a guy teammates follow into battle. He’s not putting the team first with his **** attitude. Get the **** back on D and talk to the refs at a clock stoppage. Have some **** tact.

Was it joyless watching him tonight?

This is akin to those climate change deniers saying climate change is fake because it’s -20 out.

If we stop the denial, then what joy is there knowing what’s just around the corner? When things aren’t going his way, when the competition gets harder, then we’ll see what’s what. It would be a lot more enjoyable if this type of game and attitude were the norm, not the exception.
For one night I give him his props, but greatness comes from consistency.

[winforlose]

Watching Towns, regardless of talent, is joyless. It can’t be fun playing with him. If KAT had the work ethic and head down demeanor of Vando, he’d be a guy teammates follow into battle. He’s not putting the team first with his **** attitude. Get the **** back on D and talk to the refs at a clock stoppage. Have some **** tact.

Was it joyless watching him tonight?

This is akin to those climate change deniers saying climate change is fake because it’s -20 out.

If we stop the denial, then what joy is there knowing what’s just around the corner? When things aren’t going his way, when the competition gets harder, then we’ll see what’s what. It would be a lot more enjoyable if this type of game and attitude were the norm, not the exception.
For one night I give him his props, but greatness comes from consistency.

I think he was asking more about the 40-9-5. The question is do you simply accept the high quality performance and overlook the antics.

[MN7725]

So in order to make my suggested trade we must convert Knight to a Naz style contract.

Wolves give Beasley, Prince, Reid, top 14 protected first.
Wolves get Christian Wood, Daniel Theis, Michael Frazier iI (two way player.)

Thoughts?

feels weak for Houston since Wood is under contract next season to be getting back the Wolves 2022 pick, which lets say becomes like #19

but maybe I'm not rating Reid high enough as an incentive, and also maybe not rating Theis as poorly as others would. Theis I just see as a good glue guy playing on a dysfunctional team, going to look far worse than he would playing in lineups that have a clue what to do.

[winforlose]

So in order to make my suggested trade we must convert Knight to a Naz style contract.

Wolves give Beasley, Prince, Reid, top 14 protected first.
Wolves get Christian Wood, Daniel Theis, Michael Frazier iI (two way player.)

Thoughts?

feels weak for Houston since Wood is under contract next season to be getting back the Wolves 2022 pick, which lets say becomes like #19

but maybe I'm not rating Reid high enough as an incentive, and also maybe not rating Theis as poorly as others would. Theis I just see as a good glue guy playing on a dysfunctional team, going to look far worse than he would playing in lineups that have a clue what to do.

Theis hasn’t really found his consistent spot in their rotation. He has a long and expensive contract and for a rebuilding team to upgrade to Naz on a cheaper deal would be a good thing.

Wood is solid, but his numbers and attitude have been trending down recently. A fresh start will help him, and his value is depressed right now. They could hold onto him, but Prince is expiring, Beasley is one more year and could be traded as an expiring next season, and an extra first is good trade capital as well.

Frazier is a toss in who we might release from his two way and get someone else from the G.

Overall, I think it is decent value for them.

[shrink]

So in order to make my suggested trade we must convert Knight to a Naz style contract.

Wolves give Beasley, Prince, Reid, top 14 protected first.
Wolves get Christian Wood, Daniel Theis, Michael Frazier iI (two way player.)

Thoughts?

I would like to see us add a true defensive big. I also worry that Wood could hurt our team chemistry.

[MN7725]

So in order to make my suggested trade we must convert Knight to a Naz style contract.

Wolves give Beasley, Prince, Reid, top 14 protected first.
Wolves get Christian Wood, Daniel Theis, Michael Frazier iI (two way player.)

Thoughts?

feels weak for Houston since Wood is under contract next season to be getting back the Wolves 2022 pick, which lets say becomes like #19

but maybe I'm not rating Reid high enough as an incentive, and also maybe not rating Theis as poorly as others would. Theis I just see as a good glue guy playing on a dysfunctional team, going to look far worse than he would playing in lineups that have a clue what to do.

Theis hasn’t really found his consistent spot in their rotation. He has a long and expensive contract and for a rebuilding team to upgrade to Naz on a cheaper deal would be a good thing.

Wood is solid, but his numbers and attitude have been trending down recently. A fresh start will help him, and his value is depressed right now. They could hold onto him, but Prince is expiring, Beasley is one more year and could be traded as an expiring next season, and an extra first is good trade capital as well.

Frazier is a toss in who we might release from his two way and get someone else from the G.

Overall, I think it is decent value for them.

yeah, its not bad value, meant more that think other teams could beat it

curious if you would do it if Houston wanted Beverly (expiring) instead of Beasley?

[Slim Tubby]

I am wondering if the Wolves should move on from pursuing a Ben Simmons trade. I don't think Simmons and Vanderbilt can play together and it has begun to seem like a bad idea to reduce Vando to a 15 min a night bench role. Add in the assets it would take to get Simmons, and I am questioning if that's a move that makes sense anymore. Personally, I'd make a hard push for Myles Turner and if that didn't happen focus on lesser bench bigs line Larry Nance or Kelly Olynyk.

Do you really want to give up assets to get Turner with Vanderbilt’s development?


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[wolves_89]

I am wondering if the Wolves should move on from pursuing a Ben Simmons trade. I don't think Simmons and Vanderbilt can play together and it has begun to seem like a bad idea to reduce Vando to a 15 min a night bench role. Add in the assets it would take to get Simmons, and I am questioning if that's a move that makes sense anymore. Personally, I'd make a hard push for Myles Turner and if that didn't happen focus on lesser bench bigs line Larry Nance or Kelly Olynyk.

Do you really want to give up assets to get Turner with Vanderbilt’s development?


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I think KAT/Turner, Vando/Turner, or Vando/KAT are combinations that all work. So, yes I would be willing to give up assets for Turner since I think Vando would still have a 30+ minute a night role. The difference with the Simmons situation is that the Simmons/Vando combination doesn't work.

[winforlose]

So in order to make my suggested trade we must convert Knight to a Naz style contract.

Wolves give Beasley, Prince, Reid, top 14 protected first.
Wolves get Christian Wood, Daniel Theis, Michael Frazier iI (two way player.)

Thoughts?

I would like to see us add a true defensive big. I also worry that Wood could hurt our team chemistry.

I get that. But I worry a true defensive big isn’t fast enough to play switching concept and isn’t good enough from the permitter to keep things open for Ant. V8’s recent cutting has kept defenses a bit more honest, but a guy like Wood probably opens more doors than a guy like Turner.

Team chemistry is going to be an issue no matter who we bring in. I trust Bev, Finch, and KAT to bring anyone into the fold. Wood is huge because if KAT gets sick or hurt you have a guy who can give you 15/10 or 20/10 and do much of what KAT does. Wood can also space the floor for KAT. Finally, I think V8, Wood, and KAT can all share the floor. While I know Wood struggled playing the 4 alongside Theis this season, Houston didn’t have guys like KAT, Dlo, and Ant who all demand high amounts of defensive attention. They also weren’t running the same defensive schemes we are running which emphasis running out at distance shooters and gang defending the interior.

I wonder if Theis doesn’t improve on a lot of what Naz does. From what I know of him in addition to being excellent at pick and roll, he is a solid defender, and a decent scoring option (not going to score as much as Naz, but maybe won’t give up as many points either.)

Overall, I think adding two new players might be a shock in short term chemistry, but more depth and talent while also cleaning up the rotation is a good thing.

[Slim Tubby]

Watching Towns, regardless of talent, is joyless. It can’t be fun playing with him. If KAT had the work ethic and head down demeanor of Vando, he’d be a guy teammates follow into battle. He’s not putting the team first with his **** attitude. Get the **** back on D and talk to the refs at a clock stoppage. Have some **** tact.

Was it joyless watching him tonight?

To be fair, when Towns is whining like a little b-word, he is joyless to watch. Tonight, he was sensational.


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[Slim Tubby]

I am wondering if the Wolves should move on from pursuing a Ben Simmons trade. I don't think Simmons and Vanderbilt can play together and it has begun to seem like a bad idea to reduce Vando to a 15 min a night bench role. Add in the assets it would take to get Simmons, and I am questioning if that's a move that makes sense anymore. Personally, I'd make a hard push for Myles Turner and if that didn't happen focus on lesser bench bigs line Larry Nance or Kelly Olynyk.

Do you really want to give up assets to get Turner with Vanderbilt’s development?


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I think KAT/Turner, Vando/Turner, or Vando/KAT are combinations that all work. So, yes I would be willing to give up assets for Turner since I think Vando would still have a 30+ minute a night role. The difference with the Simmons situation is that the Simmons/Vando combination doesn't work.

Fair enough…good response!


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[winforlose]

I am wondering if the Wolves should move on from pursuing a Ben Simmons trade. I don't think Simmons and Vanderbilt can play together and it has begun to seem like a bad idea to reduce Vando to a 15 min a night bench role. Add in the assets it would take to get Simmons, and I am questioning if that's a move that makes sense anymore. Personally, I'd make a hard push for Myles Turner and if that didn't happen focus on lesser bench bigs line Larry Nance or Kelly Olynyk.

Do you really want to give up assets to get Turner with Vanderbilt’s development?


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I think KAT/Turner, Vando/Turner, or Vando/KAT are combinations that all work. So, yes I would be willing to give up assets for Turner since I think Vando would still have a 30+ minute a night role. The difference with the Simmons situation is that the Simmons/Vando combination doesn't work.

To be candid, I still prefer Wood over Turner, but would be very happy with Turner. That said, I would want Turner to make one of the following two statements publicly before we trade for him. 1. I would love to play with KAT and Ant and be part of a building the Wolves into a contender. 2. As long as the team is winning and competing I would accept whatever role is required of me.

I say this because Turner wants to be more than a role player. I fear with at least 3 guys ahead of him in shooting priority, and with Nowell, Bev, and V8 all emerging, Turner won’t get the chance he is looking for with us.

Wood on the other hand said last year he would love to play with KAT. Wood also hopefully would have a better attitude on a winning team.

[younggunsmn]

I don't get the Myles Turner obsession. He's not a good defensive player or rebounder and he's not versatile enough to play Vanderbilt's role on defense. And he's almost as low volume as vanderbilt on offense.

We need a cheap fairly mobile big body who can wall off and grab rebounds, and be serviceable on the offensive end if KAT gets hurt.
Monroe was perfect for that and it was dumb to put ourselves in the position to have to go into the luxury tax to sign a guy to the minimum for half a season.

We are turning down Ben SImmons because of... wait for it.... Jared Vanderbilt? The issue with SImmons continues to be the price.
If you can get a player of that caliber without making a bad trade, you do it. Imagine closing out the game with him, Vanderbilt, Pat Bev on the defensive end.

[winforlose]

I don't get the Myles Turner obsession. He's not a good defensive player or rebounder and he's not versatile enough to play Vanderbilt's role on defense. And he's almost as low volume as vanderbilt on offense.

We need a cheap fairly mobile big body who can wall off and grab rebounds, and be serviceable on the offensive end if KAT gets hurt.
Monroe was perfect for that and it was dumb to put ourselves in the position to have to go into the luxury tax to sign a guy to the minimum for half a season.

We are turning down Ben SImmons because of... wait for it.... Jared Vanderbilt? The issue with SImmons continues to be the price.
If you can get a player of that caliber without making a bad trade, you do it. Imagine closing out the game with him, Vanderbilt, Pat Bev on the defensive end.

Simmons cannot play with V8. Simmons is an offensive liability with a history of chocking at the FT line. What is great about V8 is he can play the 3 and allow someone else to play the 4. A guy like Wood who can rebound well, create offense off the dribble, and knock down 3s is a good compliment for KAT and allows us to play very large. Simmons inability to jump shoot also clogs the lane which is very bad for Ant.

[KGdaBom]

Watching Towns, regardless of talent, is joyless. It can’t be fun playing with him. If KAT had the work ethic and head down demeanor of Vando, he’d be a guy teammates follow into battle. He’s not putting the team first with his **** attitude. Get the **** back on D and talk to the refs at a clock stoppage. Have some **** tact.

Was it joyless watching him tonight?

This is akin to those climate change deniers saying climate change is fake because it’s -20 out.

If we stop the denial, then what joy is there knowing what’s just around the corner? When things aren’t going his way, when the competition gets harder, then we’ll see what’s what. It would be a lot more enjoyable if this type of game and attitude were the norm, not the exception.
For one night I give him his props, but greatness comes from consistency.

Climate change has always happened. Climate change supporters do the exact same thing you say the deniers are guilty of. Man having anything to do with it is the question and I don't think we do.

[KGdaBom]

I don't get the Myles Turner obsession. He's not a good defensive player or rebounder and he's not versatile enough to play Vanderbilt's role on defense. And he's almost as low volume as vanderbilt on offense.

We need a cheap fairly mobile big body who can wall off and grab rebounds, and be serviceable on the offensive end if KAT gets hurt.
Monroe was perfect for that and it was dumb to put ourselves in the position to have to go into the luxury tax to sign a guy to the minimum for half a season.

We are turning down Ben SImmons because of... wait for it.... Jared Vanderbilt? The issue with SImmons continues to be the price.
If you can get a player of that caliber without making a bad trade, you do it. Imagine closing out the game with him, Vanderbilt, Pat Bev on the defensive end.

Simmons cannot play with V8. Simmons is an offensive liability with a history of chocking at the FT line. What is great about V8 is he can play the 3 and allow someone else to play the 4. A guy like Wood who can rebound well, create offense off the dribble, and knock down 3s is a good compliment for KAT and allows us to play very large. Simmons inability to jump shoot also clogs the lane which is very bad for Ant.

Simmons being one of the best facilitators in the game would be very good for Ant. That said if Vando can play like this we don't need Simmons so much.

[winforlose]

I don't get the Myles Turner obsession. He's not a good defensive player or rebounder and he's not versatile enough to play Vanderbilt's role on defense. And he's almost as low volume as vanderbilt on offense.

We need a cheap fairly mobile big body who can wall off and grab rebounds, and be serviceable on the offensive end if KAT gets hurt.
Monroe was perfect for that and it was dumb to put ourselves in the position to have to go into the luxury tax to sign a guy to the minimum for half a season.

We are turning down Ben SImmons because of... wait for it.... Jared Vanderbilt? The issue with SImmons continues to be the price.
If you can get a player of that caliber without making a bad trade, you do it. Imagine closing out the game with him, Vanderbilt, Pat Bev on the defensive end.

Simmons cannot play with V8. Simmons is an offensive liability with a history of chocking at the FT line. What is great about V8 is he can play the 3 and allow someone else to play the 4. A guy like Wood who can rebound well, create offense off the dribble, and knock down 3s is a good compliment for KAT and allows us to play very large. Simmons inability to jump shoot also clogs the lane which is very bad for Ant.

Simmons being one of the best facilitators in the game would be very good for Ant. That said if Vando can play like this we don't need Simmons so much.

We are in the wrong thread and have to end it here. We agree to disagree.

[wolves_89]

I don't get the Myles Turner obsession. He's not a good defensive player or rebounder and he's not versatile enough to play Vanderbilt's role on defense. And he's almost as low volume as vanderbilt on offense.

Pretty much every advanced defensive metric rates Turner as a very good defender. He just missed making the NBA All-Defensive team last year (he had the most 1st place votes for any player not on the team), so his defense is well thought of by those who closely follow the NBA.

[winforlose]

I don't get the Myles Turner obsession. He's not a good defensive player or rebounder and he's not versatile enough to play Vanderbilt's role on defense. And he's almost as low volume as vanderbilt on offense.

Pretty much every advanced defensive metric rates Turner as a very good defender. He just missed making the NBA All-Defensive team last year (he had the most 1st place votes for any player not on the team), so his defense is well thought of by those who closely follow the NBA.

I agree with you that Turner is a good defender and especially shot blocker. My issues with Turner are his rebounding, and his difficulty creating his own shot.