2013 Draft Targets (#9, #26, #52, #59)

Grits n Gravy · Post #1121 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Fri May 17, 2013 2:38 pm

ronzone!

Post #1122 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 17, 2013 2:38 pm

Worm Guts wrote:The reason Chris Johnson doesn't play is probably a little more involved than he's skinny and athletic.

Oh I definitely agree. But I do think Gobert is quite a bit more than "a taller Chris Johnson"

GreenRiddler · Post #1123 » by **GreenRiddler** » Fri May 17, 2013 2:55 pm

What do you guys think about K-C-P? Measured good today.

Grits n Gravy · Post #1124 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:11 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:What do you guys think about K-C-P? Measured good today.

Never seen him play but he sounds like he'd be a pretty good fit for us. Agree very good measurements- not sure what to make of his inability or refusal to get into the paint and his love for jumpshots.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #1125 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:18 pm

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Steven-Adams-6301/

I dont like the sound of Steven Adams' scouting report at all; it's a laundry list of detailed, bad stuff. And this isn't just some schmo, this from President/CEO/founding father Jon G himself:

Offensively, Adams was a very limited player at Pitt, averaging 7 points in 23 minutes, or 12.3 points per-40 minutes, which is the fourth lowest rate of any of the 75 college players in our top-100 prospects

Adams has very crude footwork in the post and little in the ways of countermoves

Even more concerning though is how poor of a finisher he appeared to be around the basket this year. Adams had a difficult time catching the ball cleanly all season long resulting in quite a few turnovers. He bobbles the ball on the catch regularly, as he seems to need to have it thrown to him perfectly so he can get two hands around it, at times using his chest to assist him.

Adams has a bit of a subdued, non-chalant demeanor on the floor, rarely looking angry or in much of a hurry

Stepping away from the basket, Adams is not much of a threat, as you would probably guess by his mediocre free throw shooting percentages (44%). He shoots the ball with poor mechanics, locking his elbow, not setting his feet, and showing no follow through on his release.

Adams also isn't as good of a defensive rebounder as you might hope, ranking second to last in that category among top-100 collegiate centers. He rarely boxes out opponents, mistimes his jumps, and has a difficult time coming away with loose balls in traffic because of his questionable hands

If I were to make a list of things I don't want to see on a big man's scouting report...I mean, anything else they'd like to add? I think they got everything.

Post #1126 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:22 pm

Not impressive athletic numbers so far from Gobert, but with that wingspan, a big vertical not as important

Post #1127 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:27 pm

Standing Vertical
Gobert: 25"
Zeller: 35.5"

Krapinsky · Post #1128 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:37 pm

Grits n Gravy wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:What do you guys think about K-C-P? Measured good today.

Never seen him play but he sounds like he'd be a pretty good fit for us. Agree very good measurements- not sure what to make of his inability or refusal to get into the paint and his love for jumpshots.

Had to deal with collapsing defenses. He played on a horrible team and really had no one to pass to. His FTA/g is not that bad at all.

Grits n Gravy · Post #1129 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:38 pm

Aalso the worst on agility drill.

champalift · Post #1130 » by **champalift** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:41 pm

Klomp wrote:
champalift wrote:
Klomp wrote:And 10 times better

Ten times? D'Okay...
No questions asked he would be the #1 pick if at 7'1"+ without shoes he is ten times better than ANY NBA player.
Give CJ 2" and send him to France to play against some of those guys, I am sure an amazing highlight film would be created. Youtube scouting, woo hoo!!

You act like he's the same weight as Johnson too. He's 238 lbs. Sure that seems light for 7'2", but he still looks a lot stronger than Johnson.

Johnson is a stick. 210 lbs. that's a big reason why Adelman didn't play him, because he got absolutely bullied in the post. Gobert at least has a little more weight to him.

Are they the same exact player, absolutely not. But as far as comparisons go, that is who came to mind watching youtube videos. Sorry that there height to weight ratios aren't exactly the same. "Looks stronger"... sure...
Is Gobert's playing style more similar to Kevin Love? Pekovic? Stiemsma? Chris Johnson? It is called a comparison, not saying his ceiling is Chris Johnson, I am saying at 20 years old with his frame and the way he moves with that frame, he reminds me of Chris Johnson. Would you prefer a Javale McGee comparison?

Take it easy Klomp. There has been a trend of me saying something and you are the first one to just jump on it and tell me why I am wrong. Sorry I had an opinion Mr. Moderator. You said you liked Gobert, I said I did too and he reminded me of Chris Johnson and based on everything I have seen and read about what Adelman wants in a center, I don't think Adelman wants to work with a 20 year old French project when his coaching years are numbered.

Post #1131 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:50 pm

I'd actually say he's closer to Stiemsma because of his more advanced level on defense

I wasn't trying to get after you. It seemed to be a trend around here where Johnson was way overhyped to where people were pissed he didn't play. I liked his game to, but realize he has major limitations.

I thought you were saying we already have a guy like Gobert in Johnson who Adelman refuses to play so drafting Gobert would be a waste. I was just saying that Johnson isn't as good as most here make him out to be

Maefteda · Post #1132 » by **Maefteda** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:00 pm

If we don't move up in the lottery, I hope the Suns get the top pick and push Bobcats down to #3. Noel and McLemore would be gone, and Oladipo isn't the greatest fit for Bobcats who need a shooter. Trading down for our 9th pick and get Williams as well would make more sense for them, as Burke, Bennett and Porter don't make much sense for them. We can then go on to pick Oladipo at #3, and finally get a solid 2 guard.

Esohny · Post #1133 » by **Esohny** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:03 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Grits n Gravy wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:What do you guys think about K-C-P? Measured good today.

Never seen him play but he sounds like he'd be a pretty good fit for us. Agree very good measurements- not sure what to make of his inability or refusal to get into the paint and his love for jumpshots.

Had to deal with collapsing defenses. He played on a horrible team and really had no one to pass to. His FTA/g is not that bad at all.

He certainly has shown the ability to get into the paint. Hopefully he'd focus on going to the rim more or taking 3s, instead of settling for long 2s. He also doesn't seem to be a dolt like Beasley, so it doesn't seem like it's asking too much.

Post #1134 » by **Klomp** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:05 pm

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Grits n Gravy · Post #1135 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:10 pm

Oladipo is really a clone of Tony Allen physically.

edit:
42'" max vert. nice.

Mattya · Post #1136 » by **Mattya** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:10 pm

I'm content with staying at 9 unless it doesn't take much to move up to grab Oladipo.

champalift · Post #1137 » by **champalift** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:11 pm

Klomp wrote:I'd actually say he's closer to Stiemsma because of his more advanced level on defense

I wasn't trying to get after you. It seemed to be a trend around here where Johnson was way overhyped to where people were pissed he didn't play. I liked his game to, but realize he has major limitations.

I thought you were saying we already have a guy like Gobert in Johnson who Adelman refuses to play so drafting Gobert would be a waste. I was just saying that Johnson isn't as good as most here make him out to be

Alright, well to each their own. I see a much more similar game to Chris Johnson as they have very thin frames for their size and offensively, their game is just hang out around the rip for an ally-oop or a tip. Did not see a single jump shot out of Gobert in all the videos I saw.

And a note on Chris Johnson, I do not think he is good enough to get much run in the NBA, I just thought it was odd that when we were down to literally 8-9 guys, he still wasn't getting run by Adelman despite the energy he brought in the games prior to Adelman's return under Terry Porter. Is he the Timberwolves savior? Hell no. I just thought he got a raw deal as the energy he brought in some of those games was some of the best of the season out of any Wolf.

Gobert is very intriguing, but as you have said earlier, only if all the off guards we value are gone does Gobert come into play for the Wolves at #9.

Nitroglycerin · Post #1138 » by **Nitroglycerin** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:13 pm

LordBaldric wrote:
Kahn touch this wrote:heck lets pick gobert

ther'es no more cheap centers around that is a shotblocker and plays above the rim

there are still many attainable wings

but i still want to go all-in for mclemore or oladipo

Your avatar is freaking me out man.

made by the devil himself....devilzsidewalk that is

theGreatRC · Post #1139 » by **theGreatRC** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:55 pm

I won't get my hopes up to grab Dipo or Mclemore, but even staying at 9 I hope we trade for Dipo, I wouldn't mind NOT going after Ben-Mc

Krapinsky · Post #1140 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri May 17, 2013 5:04 pm

Oladipo or Mclemore would be a such a difference maker for us. I'd trade D-Will + #9 + #26 for either of them.