2016 draft thread: Part 2

[Klomp]

I'm not sure we should be overlooking what Tyus could be for this team either. He was 19 all of last year and played some very solid ball to end the year. I'd be very comfortable with giving him the back up PG minutes next year and seeing what he can do and what he can potentially become.

He's fine as a fourth guard, but that just means we'd have one more guy we have to get into the rotation every night. Tighter rotations should be the goal.

[LordBaldric]

I'm not sure we should be overlooking what Tyus could be for this team either. He was 19 all of last year and played some very solid ball to end the year. I'd be very comfortable with giving him the back up PG minutes next year and seeing what he can do and what he can potentially become.

Well for once in my life I must say I'm comfortable with the Wolves brass seeing what they have and making the correct decision...

[Takingbaconback]

The only one versatile player in our roster is KAT. Because he can score and defend different positions.

Dieng? Can't defend small ball, hit 3s.
Wiggins? Doesn't rebound, provides little weak side help
Shabazz? Can't defend pick and roll, and can't play without the ball
LaVine? Can't defend and distribute the ball
Bjelica has some versatility but lacks consistency.

Let's compare to GSW.

Barnes can defend SF and some PF. Can play in post and hit 3s
Green can defend SF, PF passes, rebounds and score
Iggy can play PG, SG and SF. Can score defend and pass.
Klay can play SG and SF. Can defend both positions
Curry can play with and off the ball.

Conveniently you left off the least versatile player on the wolves being Rubio who can't play a single minute outside PG, and can't play off the ball as a PG like Klomp brought up.

You also dismissed a players ability to play a position by saying something he cant do for Wolves

when

you qualified a players ability to play a position by saying something he can do for GSW

Some of these reasons are extremely lacking too like Dieng cant play PF and C because he can't defend small ball or 3's? Those are qualifications in which a 4 and 5 must have? So I guess Zach Randolph was never a PF or a C in his career and that goes the same for most of the big men in the NBA.

Wiggins can't rebound and weakside help? Then why the hell is Harrison Barnes considered versatile for GSW?

I thought that it is pretty evident that Rubio is not versatile player, even if he give us so much in terms of team chemistry.

Have you ever seen Zach Randolph defense? He slowed down an athletic freak like Blake Griffin, he can certainly defend some C because of his wingspan, low gravity center and brute force. Dieng can't defend big C, cant defend quick.

Barnes is vital to the GSW success because he hits corner 3s and is willing to defend any opponent on the floor, he is role player and often he is got subbed when Iggy is in. So he might play 20 or 30 minutes depending on matchups.

Zach Randolph cannot slow down Blake Griffin, it's just because Griffin has a big mental block in the playoffs, he got punked by MEM couple of times. I definitely do not agree that Randolph can guard guys like fast, athletic guys like Blake.

Not that I think Dieng is a good defender or can play 4/5 well (I usually advocate that wolves move him), but I think he can play at the 4 and the 5 depending on matchup, which is the point of versatility.

I just think the way you compare GSW to MIN is very biased. If you put Barnes/Iggy/Livingston/Barbosa type of guys on our roster last year, I feel like they would suck a lot worse. That GSW looks so good primarily cuz of Curry and I personally don't give guy like Harrison Barnes much credit, I think he sucks and is goign to get severely overpaid to be honest. Don't think he can play 4 on most NBA teams like he does with GS.

[Grits n Gravy]

I'm not sure we should be overlooking what Tyus could be for this team either. He was 19 all of last year and played some very solid ball to end the year. I'd be very comfortable with giving him the back up PG minutes next year and seeing what he can do and what he can potentially become.

He's fine as a fourth guard, but that just means we'd have one more guy we have to get into the rotation every night. Tighter rotations should be the goal.

Again he was 19 for the entire year last year so I don't think it's fair to label him as a 4th guard or as a primary back up - he is unproven yes but so is Dunn. I don't know that it's wise to invest a 5th overall pick on what most regard as naturally a PG when we have a very good starting point guard and a young promising one who is 2 years younger than Dunn. There's also a ton of cap space to invest in the free agent market where we could target a PG.

[Grits n Gravy]

I'm not sure we should be overlooking what Tyus could be for this team either. He was 19 all of last year and played some very solid ball to end the year. I'd be very comfortable with giving him the back up PG minutes next year and seeing what he can do and what he can potentially become.

Well for once in my life I must say I'm comfortable with the Wolves brass seeing what they have and making the correct decision...

I agree in principal but I don't know how easy it is to access what you have in Tyus Jones unless you were around the team the previous year and in practices. The limited game tape of Tyus will show so much but it's not ideal especially if you are considering using a valuable asset on a third natural point guard.

[Worm Guts]

Who views Dunn as a SG?

Strictly a SG? Probably nobody. I view him as a combo guard, able to play BOTH positions. I've been trying to tell you that this whole time.

Gotta agree with Bacon here. If we draft Dunn it's a huge flashing signal that Rubio is done here soon.

It may be, but it might also just mean we thought Dunn was BPA.
The general consensus on this board right now seems to be the top 3 players that could be available to us are Murray, Dunn, and Hield. There are going to be positional issues with any of them, so that doesn't rule out Dunn for me. He may actually be the most positionally of the group.
I do think it would make Rubio more available in a trade but unless we get good value I think you take them both into the season and see how it plays out.

[Klomp]

I'm not sure we should be overlooking what Tyus could be for this team either. He was 19 all of last year and played some very solid ball to end the year. I'd be very comfortable with giving him the back up PG minutes next year and seeing what he can do and what he can potentially become.

He's fine as a fourth guard, but that just means we'd have one more guy we have to get into the rotation every night. Tighter rotations should be the goal.

Again he was 19 for the entire year last year so I don't think it's fair to label him as a 4th guard or as a primary back up - he is unproven yes but so is Dunn. I don't know that it's wise to invest a 5th overall pick on what most regard as naturally a PG when we have a very good starting point guard and a young promising one who is 2 years younger than Dunn. There's also a ton of cap space to invest in the free agent market where we could target a PG.

Ideally, I want to use a three-guard rotation. To do so, the third guard is going to have to play both PG and SG since Rubio and LaVine don't have that versatility. Jones can't play both positions, either, so him as the third guard wouldn't work.

[Grits n Gravy]

He's fine as a fourth guard, but that just means we'd have one more guy we have to get into the rotation every night. Tighter rotations should be the goal.

Again he was 19 for the entire year last year so I don't think it's fair to label him as a 4th guard or as a primary back up - he is unproven yes but so is Dunn. I don't know that it's wise to invest a 5th overall pick on what most regard as naturally a PG when we have a very good starting point guard and a young promising one who is 2 years younger than Dunn. There's also a ton of cap space to invest in the free agent market where we could target a PG.

Ideally, I want to use a three-guard rotation. To do so, the third guard is going to have to play both PG and SG since Rubio and LaVine don't have that versatility. Jones can't play both positions, either, so him as the third guard wouldn't work.

What about a three man swing rotation of Lavine-Wiggins-Bazz with Tyus playing back up PG, that keeps rotation short.

[Worm Guts]

I have no problem with Tyus but I'm not going to let him affect who we draft at 5.

[Klomp]

What about a three man swing rotation of Lavine-Wiggins-Bazz with Tyus playing back up PG, that keeps rotation short.

Are you going big with your draft pick then? Otherwise, you're drafting someone Top-5 to not play in the rotation. Plus, what about FA?

[Grits n Gravy]

I have no problem with Tyus but I'm not going to let him affect who we draft at 5.

I feel the same way and this also applies to Bazz but everyone else I do certainly consider. I know we need back ups obviously and I know you have hit hard the point that multiple players cause conundrums with conflicts in positions and minutes but with regard to Dunn I'm well and truly in Rubio's corner and don't see future for both. The more I think about it is that we might be better off looking to trade it for a vet or trade down if we we're not drafting a swing or 4/5 prospect.

[Grits n Gravy]

What about a three man swing rotation of Lavine-Wiggins-Bazz with Tyus playing back up PG, that keeps rotation short.

Are you going big with your draft pick then? Otherwise, you're drafting someone Top-5 to not play in the rotation. Plus, what about FA?

I'm not into the short rotation that you are, I was just suggesting work around's that could satisfy your criteria. I'm starting to think we should trade down or trade out if we don't have a good swing or 4-5 prospect available to us.

[Grits n Gravy]

Whatever Thibs decides to do(besides passing on Bender) I'll support, he's a million times smarter than I am. I'm sure Dunn backing up both guard spots could work and Thibs will find a way to figure it out whoever it is.

[Worm Guts]

I really have no idea who we should draft. I'd probably just go with Hield because I love his shooting ability and work ethic but there's probably about 7 guys I could talk myself into.

[Klomp]

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[Klomp]

3-point shooting, NCAA Tournament
Dunn: 7-10 (70.0%)
Murray: 3-16 (18.8%)
Hield: 20-48 (41.7%)

[Crazy-Canuck]

What dunn provides is defense.

His defense will allow him to play with either rubio or lavine. By adding hield or murray, we add more shooting, spacing and generally more perimeter offense. However, scoring hasnt been a problem; defense has been.

[Takingbaconback]

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Wow really good game from him. Something that pops with Dunn is that he is very decisive. He has really good court vision and awareness so that when he does shoot or make a pass, the timing and placement is very deliberate. Those bounce passes at 0:20 and 0:36 are niceee

[Merc_Porto]

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He really looks like D.Wade.

[Grits n Gravy]

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He really looks like D.Wade.

I think Wade is a superior athlete. Dunn's first step and quickness don't seems terribly impressive, not elite level anyway. If Dunn gets on PED's like Wade then he has a chance to get to that level athletically