Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[Loyal[]Wolf]

Have you also heard the news that MIA wouldn’t budge, and MIN is keeping Butler?

No. Please tell me more.

[SO_MONEY]

I wish we'd offer Richardson and get this over with for both parties

I wouldn't doubt MIA has. I don't think he is enough to both part with a top 10-15 player and take a bad contract and I honestly don't know if he is enough even if attached to neutral value which MIA doesn't have much of and that is hard to overcome. Ultimately I think something works out.

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I think if Bam or Richardson was on the table this deal would've been done already. If I read the tea leaves right this probably started off with Hassan/Dion and a pick, Thib said we want more, Riley added Winslow to the fray and is drawing a line while Thibs want Rich or Bam. I understand both sides, if something doesn't get done I hope someone else steps up to the plate, and soon, to put an end to this saga.

I think you are wrong. Considerably. No team would take on Whiteside and Waiters for a pick let alone part with a top 10-15 player. Winslow is nothing more than a low salary expiring role player, a throw-in. No. Richardson has been offered or the teams wouldn't be talking. Bam I belive has not been. The reality is Richardson and Bam are nothing special, so even if they are in the deal, I am not going to run naked in the streets. It is meh. But it is better than letting Butler walk.

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[Kobewade11]

I think you are wrong. Considerably. No team would take on Whiteside and Waiters for a pick let alone part with a top 10-15 player. Winslow is nothing more than a low salary expiring role player, a throw-in. No. Richardson has been offered or the teams wouldn't be talking. Bam I belive has not been. The reality is Richardson and Bam are nothing special, so even if they are in the deal, I am not going to run naked in the streets. It is meh. But it is better than letting Butler walk.

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I wasnt really giving an opinion. Every credible reporter tied to this story (from our side and the minnesota reporter Wolfson) have said that to this point Richardson has not been included, and you're going to sit here and defiantly tell me otherwise?

[Calinks]

It’s looks like the idea of Jimmy playing with Kyrie next year is dead.

Yep. I never really believed that was Jimmy's master plan but any hopes of that are out the window now. He goes to a bad team like NY or Brooklyn I don't know that he wont be mired in mediocrity for the foreseeable future. At least he will be happy in his big city though, or maybe not. Ask Marbury and Googs now how they feel about their exits.

[SO_MONEY]

I think you are wrong. Considerably. No team would take on Whiteside and Waiters for a pick let alone part with a top 10-15 player. Winslow is nothing more than a low salary expiring role player, a throw-in. No. Richardson has been offered or the teams wouldn't be talking. Bam I belive has not been. The reality is Richardson and Bam are nothing special, so even if they are in the deal, I am not going to run naked in the streets. It is meh. But it is better than letting Butler walk.

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I wasnt really giving an opinion. Every credible reporter tied to this story (from our side and the minnesota reporter Wolfson) have said that to this point Richardson has not been included, and you're going to sit here and defiantly tell me otherwise?

Yup. I am telling you otherwise. We are on the same page.

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[King Malta]

It’s looks like the idea of Jimmy playing with Kyrie next year is dead.

Yep. I never really believed that was Jimmy's master plan but any hopes of that are out the window now. He goes to a bad team like NY or Brooklyn I don't know that he wont be mired in mediocrity for the foreseeable future. At least he will be happy in his big city though, or maybe not. Ask Marbury and Googs now how they feel about their exits.

I've got to admit, I'll get a degree of sick satisfaction from watching Jimmy destroy the 'Heat Culture' in Miami.

[shrink]

I think you are wrong. Considerably. No team would take on Whiteside and Waiters for a pick let alone part with a top 10-15 player. Winslow is nothing more than a low salary expiring role player, a throw-in. No. Richardson has been offered or the teams wouldn't be talking. Bam I belive has not been. The reality is Richardson and Bam are nothing special, so even if they are in the deal, I am not going to run naked in the streets. It is meh. But it is better than letting Butler walk.

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I wasnt really giving an opinion. Every credible reporter tied to this story (from our side and the minnesota reporter Wolfson) have said that to this point Richardson has not been included, and you're going to sit here and defiantly tell me otherwise?

I’ve read this:

The Wolves are reportedly targeting Josh Richardson, Bam Adebayo and a protected 2019 first-round pick in trade talks with the Heat centered on Jimmy Butler. Minnesota is also eager to unload Gorgui Dieng, who still has $48 million on his contract. The Heat have been "pushing the Minnesota Timberwolves to accept a revised trade offer" on Wednesday, but no deal was imminent as of Wednesday night. The Rockets have also been "aggressive" in pursuit of Butler, but most of the focus is centered on talks with Miami. If no deal is reached, Tom Thibodeau still wants Jimmy to re-join the team, and Butler reportedly doesn't plan to sit out games if he's healthy. The standoff continues.

I don’t know what makes MIA’s offer that MIN declines any more credible than MIN’s offer that MIA declines.

If they can’t make a deal, they can’t make a deal. I’m not losing any sleep over missing out on Whiteside, Waiters and a Late pick, and really not on any of the Heat assets, to be honest.

[Kobewade11]

I think you are wrong. Considerably. No team would take on Whiteside and Waiters for a pick let alone part with a top 10-15 player. Winslow is nothing more than a low salary expiring role player, a throw-in. No. Richardson has been offered or the teams wouldn't be talking. Bam I belive has not been. The reality is Richardson and Bam are nothing special, so even if they are in the deal, I am not going to run naked in the streets. It is meh. But it is better than letting Butler walk.

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I wasnt really giving an opinion. Every credible reporter tied to this story (from our side and the minnesota reporter Wolfson) have said that to this point Richardson has not been included, and you're going to sit here and defiantly tell me otherwise?

I’ve read this:

The Wolves are reportedly targeting Josh Richardson, Bam Adebayo and a protected 2019 first-round pick in trade talks with the Heat centered on Jimmy Butler. Minnesota is also eager to unload Gorgui Dieng, who still has $48 million on his contract. The Heat have been "pushing the Minnesota Timberwolves to accept a revised trade offer" on Wednesday, but no deal was imminent as of Wednesday night. The Rockets have also been "aggressive" in pursuit of Butler, but most of the focus is centered on talks with Miami. If no deal is reached, Tom Thibodeau still wants Jimmy to re-join the team, and Butler reportedly doesn't plan to sit out games if he's healthy. The standoff continues.

I don’t know what makes MIA’s offer that MIN declines any more credible than MIN’s offer that MIA declines.

If they can’t make a deal, they can’t make a deal. I’m not losing any sleep over missing out on Whiteside, Waiters and a Late pick, and really not on any of the Heat assets, to be honest.

I was speaking from the Heat side, I dont doubt Minny has asked but Richardson has not been in an offer from the Miami side. If roles were reversed and Jimmy was on my team I wouldnt be losing sleep over missing out on Hassan and Waiters either, completely understood.

[Indomitable]

Thibs made a huge mistake, by not trading Butler before all this went public.

Butler’s people leaked this, not Thibs.

Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN:

The Wolves never wanted the trade request leaked. They were always willing to satisfy the trade request when it was made – what now? – two weeks ago today, two weeks ago in Los Angeles. But the Wolves had no intention of leaking said request. That was the Jimmy Butler side that leaked the request. The Wolves remain upset about that. So, I get a kick out of the Butler side – who’s been leaking everything, by the way. Well, I don’t want to say everything. But 98 percent of information you see out there is driven by the Butler side, OK. And they are upset a trade hasn’t been completed yet.

Jimmy did the same in Chicago with Cowley.

[Nick K]

It’s looks like the idea of Jimmy playing with Kyrie next year is dead.

Yep. I never really believed that was Jimmy's master plan but any hopes of that are out the window now. He goes to a bad team like NY or Brooklyn I don't know that he wont be mired in mediocrity for the foreseeable future. At least he will be happy in his big city though, or maybe not. Ask Marbury and Googs now how they feel about their exits.

No truer words there ever.

[SO_MONEY]

I wasnt really giving an opinion. Every credible reporter tied to this story (from our side and the minnesota reporter Wolfson) have said that to this point Richardson has not been included, and you're going to sit here and defiantly tell me otherwise?

I’ve read this:

The Wolves are reportedly targeting Josh Richardson, Bam Adebayo and a protected 2019 first-round pick in trade talks with the Heat centered on Jimmy Butler. Minnesota is also eager to unload Gorgui Dieng, who still has $48 million on his contract. The Heat have been "pushing the Minnesota Timberwolves to accept a revised trade offer" on Wednesday, but no deal was imminent as of Wednesday night. The Rockets have also been "aggressive" in pursuit of Butler, but most of the focus is centered on talks with Miami. If no deal is reached, Tom Thibodeau still wants Jimmy to re-join the team, and Butler reportedly doesn't plan to sit out games if he's healthy. The standoff continues.

I don’t know what makes MIA’s offer that MIN declines any more credible than MIN’s offer that MIA declines.

If they can’t make a deal, they can’t make a deal. I’m not losing any sleep over missing out on Whiteside, Waiters and a Late pick, and really not on any of the Heat assets, to be honest.

I was speaking from the Heat side, I dont doubt Minny has asked but Richardson has not been in an offer from the Miami side. If roles were reversed and Jimmy was on my team I wouldnt be losing sleep over missing out on Hassan and Waiters either, completely understood.

If the teams are still talking Richardson has been offered.

MIA's FO is not going to make that public, but it has to have happened for there to be dialog at this point weeks in. It is likely the only thing keeping talks alive.

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[twix2500]

I think you are wrong. Considerably. No team would take on Whiteside and Waiters for a pick let alone part with a top 10-15 player. Winslow is nothing more than a low salary expiring role player, a throw-in. No. Richardson has been offered or the teams wouldn't be talking. Bam I belive has not been. The reality is Richardson and Bam are nothing special, so even if they are in the deal, I am not going to run naked in the streets. It is meh. But it is better than letting Butler walk.

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I wasnt really giving an opinion. Every credible reporter tied to this story (from our side and the minnesota reporter Wolfson) have said that to this point Richardson has not been included, and you're going to sit here and defiantly tell me otherwise?

I’ve read this:

The Wolves are reportedly targeting Josh Richardson, Bam Adebayo and a protected 2019 first-round pick in trade talks with the Heat centered on Jimmy Butler. Minnesota is also eager to unload Gorgui Dieng, who still has $48 million on his contract. The Heat have been "pushing the Minnesota Timberwolves to accept a revised trade offer" on Wednesday, but no deal was imminent as of Wednesday night. The Rockets have also been "aggressive" in pursuit of Butler, but most of the focus is centered on talks with Miami. If no deal is reached, Tom Thibodeau still wants Jimmy to re-join the team, and Butler reportedly doesn't plan to sit out games if he's healthy. The standoff continues.

I don’t know what makes MIA’s offer that MIN declines any more credible than MIN’s offer that MIA declines.

If they can’t make a deal, they can’t make a deal. I’m not losing any sleep over missing out on Whiteside, Waiters and a Late pick, and really not on any of the Heat assets, to be honest.

From what Woj was saying that the conversation stopped when Minny suddenly asked for that very deal. That there was an on going discussion as if they were getting close to an agreement and then suddenly out of no where Minny asked for an off the wall package. This is one of the examples that is being reported that Minny negotiations have been confusing to teams. And teams believe Minny is just bluffing and making it seem like they are trying to trade Jimmy but actually scheming to keep him

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Apparently, Miami presented their final counter offer and we sit. Jimmy might be playing until the trade deadline or walking.

[KGdaBom]

I wasnt really giving an opinion. Every credible reporter tied to this story (from our side and the minnesota reporter Wolfson) have said that to this point Richardson has not been included, and you're going to sit here and defiantly tell me otherwise?

I’ve read this:

The Wolves are reportedly targeting Josh Richardson, Bam Adebayo and a protected 2019 first-round pick in trade talks with the Heat centered on Jimmy Butler. Minnesota is also eager to unload Gorgui Dieng, who still has $48 million on his contract. The Heat have been "pushing the Minnesota Timberwolves to accept a revised trade offer" on Wednesday, but no deal was imminent as of Wednesday night. The Rockets have also been "aggressive" in pursuit of Butler, but most of the focus is centered on talks with Miami. If no deal is reached, Tom Thibodeau still wants Jimmy to re-join the team, and Butler reportedly doesn't plan to sit out games if he's healthy. The standoff continues.

I don’t know what makes MIA’s offer that MIN declines any more credible than MIN’s offer that MIA declines.

If they can’t make a deal, they can’t make a deal. I’m not losing any sleep over missing out on Whiteside, Waiters and a Late pick, and really not on any of the Heat assets, to be honest.

From what Woj was saying that the conversation stopped when Minny suddenly asked for that very deal. That there was an on going discussion as if they were getting close to an agreement and then suddenly out of no where Minny asked for an off the wall package. This is one of the examples that is being reported that Minny negotiations have been confusing to teams. And teams believe Minny is just bluffing and making it seem like they are trying to trade Jimmy but actually scheming to keep him

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Apparently, Miami presented their final counter offer and we sit. Jimmy might be playing until the trade deadline or walking.

Excellent. I hope you are right.

[SO_MONEY]

I wasnt really giving an opinion. Every credible reporter tied to this story (from our side and the minnesota reporter Wolfson) have said that to this point Richardson has not been included, and you're going to sit here and defiantly tell me otherwise?

I’ve read this:

The Wolves are reportedly targeting Josh Richardson, Bam Adebayo and a protected 2019 first-round pick in trade talks with the Heat centered on Jimmy Butler. Minnesota is also eager to unload Gorgui Dieng, who still has $48 million on his contract. The Heat have been "pushing the Minnesota Timberwolves to accept a revised trade offer" on Wednesday, but no deal was imminent as of Wednesday night. The Rockets have also been "aggressive" in pursuit of Butler, but most of the focus is centered on talks with Miami. If no deal is reached, Tom Thibodeau still wants Jimmy to re-join the team, and Butler reportedly doesn't plan to sit out games if he's healthy. The standoff continues.

I don’t know what makes MIA’s offer that MIN declines any more credible than MIN’s offer that MIA declines.

If they can’t make a deal, they can’t make a deal. I’m not losing any sleep over missing out on Whiteside, Waiters and a Late pick, and really not on any of the Heat assets, to be honest.

From what Woj was saying that the conversation stopped when Minny suddenly asked for that very deal. That there was an on going discussion as if they were getting close to an agreement and then suddenly out of no where Minny asked for an off the wall package. This is one of the examples that is being reported that Minny negotiations have been confusing to teams. And teams believe Minny is just bluffing and making it seem like they are trying to trade Jimmy but actually scheming to keep him

Read on Twitter

Apparently, Miami presented their final counter offer and we sit. Jimmy might be playing until the trade deadline or walking.

I don't think Richardson, Bam and a protected first is off the wall, frankly it is meh. It is not some great deal. Not to mention if we want to add Dieng we likely need to take Whiteside.

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[twix2500]

I’ve read this:



I don’t know what makes MIA’s offer that MIN declines any more credible than MIN’s offer that MIA declines.

If they can’t make a deal, they can’t make a deal. I’m not losing any sleep over missing out on Whiteside, Waiters and a Late pick, and really not on any of the Heat assets, to be honest.

From what Woj was saying that the conversation stopped when Minny suddenly asked for that very deal. That there was an on going discussion as if they were getting close to an agreement and then suddenly out of no where Minny asked for an off the wall package. This is one of the examples that is being reported that Minny negotiations have been confusing to teams. And teams believe Minny is just bluffing and making it seem like they are trying to trade Jimmy but actually scheming to keep him

Read on Twitter

Apparently, Miami presented their final counter offer and we sit. Jimmy might be playing until the trade deadline or walking.

I don't think Richardson, Bam and a protected first is off the wall, frankly it is meh. It is not some great deal. Not to mention if we want to add Dieng we likely need to take Whiteside.

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When I say off the wall, I am not saying unfair. What I am saying they were close to a deal. And where negotiating a small part. As an example Minny may have said ok to two of the player the Heat offerred if they could also include some salary cap relief. Miami may have explored a third team to get that salary cap relief. Then Minnny suddenly ask for JRich, Bam and a FRP that had nothing to do with what they were previously negotiating. Its like going to a Honda car dealership and you see a Accord that you like and you negotiating the interior with the salesman. Then suddenly you say you want a mazda.

[Kobewade11]

If the teams are still talking Richardson has been offered.

MIA's FO is not going to make that public, but it has to have happened for there to be dialog at this point weeks in. It is likely the only thing keeping talks alive.

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Ok. There are Miami reporters that have been plugged in to this from the very beginning, when his "wish list" leaked and we werent even on it, and they were adamant the whole time we were a preferred destination. The same reporters that have publicly named other players, and up until today have remained adamant that Richardson has not been offered by the Heat in any deal. But we have realgm posters who are going to continue to rely on their own belief about what Miami has offered. Let me go ahead and turn my notifications off.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If miami continues to offer garbage, then just hang up.

Minny is better off letting him sit than to take a bad deal. Jimmy is a twat off the court, but on the court, he's still a competitive guy. I don't think he'll sit if healthy.

[twix2500]

If miami continues to offer garbage, then just hang up.

Minny is better off letting him sit than to take a bad deal. Jimmy is a twat off the court, but on the court, he's still a competitive guy. I don't think he'll sit if healthy.

I think Minny is just leading Miami on. And any other team that inquired. Just to say they tried.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If miami continues to offer garbage, then just hang up.

Minny is better off letting him sit than to take a bad deal. Jimmy is a twat off the court, but on the court, he's still a competitive guy. I don't think he'll sit if healthy.

I think Minny is just leading Miami on. And any other team that inquired. Just to say they tried.

Id rather them ask for too much than too little. Most of the leaks are coming from jimmys camp. We dont know what miami is offering, but im guessing richardson isnt included. If so, riley is looking to scam the wolves.

Rockets are offering gordon + a first and maybe tucker. Another trash offer.

Teams look at thibs and layden as vulnerable and are likely using the media into pressuring them into a bad deal.

[twix2500]

If miami continues to offer garbage, then just hang up.

Minny is better off letting him sit than to take a bad deal. Jimmy is a twat off the court, but on the court, he's still a competitive guy. I don't think he'll sit if healthy.

I think Minny is just leading Miami on. And any other team that inquired. Just to say they tried.

Id rather them ask for too much than too little. Most of the leaks are coming from jimmys camp. We dont know what miami is offering, but im guessing richardson isnt included. If so, riley is looking to scam the wolves.

Rockets are offering gordon + a first and maybe tucker. Another trash offer.

Teams look at thibs and layden as vulnerable and are likely using the media into pressuring them into a bad deal.

The only reason teams are interested in getting him right now, is because they feel they can get him at a discount rate. You got to remember teams dont want to screw up their roster because they cant fix it at this time of the year. That is why talks may not get serious again until the trade dead line, when teams may know they are out of the race and then willing to screw up their roster and then fix it during the summer.