Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[shrink]

A follow-up question. Would extending DLO make more sense than trading him for a player that makes the team worse but preserves the salary slot?

I feel that if we can’t find a trade for DLo at the deadline, all isn’t lost. Like last year with PatBev, the day after the deadline we could offer him an extension with more money up front for next year when we aren’t over the lux, and declining and/or not guaranteed for future seasons. And if that fails, we could do the same thing this summer, and even do a sign-and-trade that maintains the salary slot.

The bottom line in either case though, is whether the Wolves can sign him to a contract that others would trade for? If we don’t think we can, trading him for a lesser player who is on a fair contract may be the better option, whether we keep that player longterm or trade him again this summer.

DLo still has the potential to wrap his hands around our throats and lose that salary matching piece. He can always say no to any new contract. But to his credit, he hasn’t acted like a player having contract disagreements with his team this year, I still think something will get done.

[wolves_89]

Howdy partners,

Does something around a Payton Prichard for Reid deal sound interesting?

What's going on with Pritchard? He was really good in 2021-22, but he's been really awful this season.

[BleedGreen1989]

Howdy partners,

Does something around a Payton Prichard for Reid deal sound interesting?

What's going on with Pritchard this season? He was really good in 2021-22, but he's been really awful this season.

He’s been really good when he’s played, but the Celtics are just loaded at guard and are basically cycling all the minutes between Smart, Brogdon, and White.

Much more circumstance than ability.

[wolves_89]

Howdy partners,

Does something around a Payton Prichard for Reid deal sound interesting?

What's going on with Pritchard this season? He was really good in 2021-22, but he's been really awful this season.

He’s been really good when he’s played, but the Celtics are just loaded at guard and are basically cycling all the minutes between Smart, Brogdon, and White.

Much more circumstance than ability.

The numbers would say he's been really bad when he's played this season. I'm curious if there is a reason why he's had such a massive drop-off in production.

[shrink]

Howdy partners,

Does something around a Payton Prichard for Reid deal sound interesting?

I don’t think it’s unrealistic, and there are rumors that the MIN front office is looking for PG help, especially if DLo gets traded.

That said, Naz has been exceptional this year. We’ve gotten to see how he looks as a starter for seven games, but for a guy stuck behind two All-NBA centers, his PER 36 numbers are needed to show who he is.

Naz Reid. .538 FG%, .333 3P%, on 5.1 3PA, 10 RB, 2 AST, 1 STL, 2 BLK, 20.5 PPG

Pritchard. .400 FG%, .333 3P% on 8.0 3PA, 4.5 RB, 3 AST, 1 STL, 14 PPG

An offer of just Payton Pritchard would likely get outbid. Lots of teams could use Naz.

[Klomp]

One thought on trading DLO. Can Connelly afford to move DLO in a trade that makes the Wolves worse this season? If Minnesota misses the playoffs the unprotected 2023 1st owed to Utah would enter the lottery. I can't imagine the front office wants there to be any chance of that pick moving up.

The margin for error is so thin right now, that I wonder if there will be as many sellers, or rather, if there may be more buyers.

Three games is all that separates the No. 4 seed in the West from the No. 9 odds in the lottery (and the. No. 6 odds would be easily within reach). Will other owners be as willing to go tank for Victor when there's that kind of playoff revenue potential?

If there are more buyers, will there be more bidding wars happening, as teams look for that instant-offense guard, sharp-shooting forward or young big man with potential? Could "selling" actually be more profitable if you have a better exchange rate available to you?

[shrink]

One thought on trading DLO. Can Connelly afford to move DLO in a trade that makes the Wolves worse this season? If Minnesota misses the playoffs the unprotected 2023 1st owed to Utah would enter the lottery. I can't imagine the front office wants there to be any chance of that pick moving up.

The margin for error is so thin right now, that I wonder if there will be as many sellers, or rather, if there may be more buyers.

Three games is all that separates the No. 4 seed in the West from the No. 9 odds in the lottery (and the. No. 6 odds would be easily within reach). Will other owners be as willing to go tank for Victor when there's that kind of playoff revenue potential?

If there are more buyers, will there be more bidding wars happening, as teams look for that instant-offense guard, sharp-shooting forward or young big man with potential? Could "selling" actually be more profitable if you have a better exchange rate available to you?

Good points. Plus there is added incentive because no team is dying for DLo. Do you want him as your starting PG? No, many teams already have a better PG, or a young PG they invested a lottery pick into. Do you want him as your starting SG? Maybe, but most teams have someone they like, who defends a little too. Do you want him as an expiring? Maybe, but there is a lot of teams that can offer that. Do you have the matching salary?

The bottom line here is that if a buyer pops up with a decent price, I think MIN has to consider i. The lack of sellers might expose one, and we better not miss it - there might not be a better offer coming from someone else later.

[thinktank]

It is kinda funny that the confusion over Terance Mann was that his extension was in 2021 and not 2022.

Would’ve been easier on us all to trust the reporting.

Front offices get it wrong, and reporters often get it wrong. Most aren’t students of the CBA, and in a rush to be first, they often report things or create ideas without checking to see if they are legal.

I will say it’s much better than it used to be, both with fans and reporters. A decade ago, I used to email reporters when they would publish something that legally couldn’t happen according to CBA rules. Except maybe for Woj, I don’t think there was a single reporter back then that didn’t get things wrong. Some were grateful I emailed them. Some changed their stories without a word. Some argued with me, trusting their source more than some random internet nerd. But the bottom line was that none of them needed to be experts in the NBA’s CBA to do their main job.

And front offices aren’t perfect either. Don’t make me tell the story about how David Kahn signed Kirilenko to a free agent offer that the NBA front office rejected, because the Wolves didn’t know how much cap space they had! None of here on the board could figure out how he could make the reported offer!

Today, there is a new generation that have a better handle on the CBA. Guys like Dane Moore, Nate Duncan and Keith Smith are going to get things legally correct, and there are far less guys like Locked On Wolves Ben Beekken who know basketball, but don’t understand the CBA. The work from Larry Coon, the popularity of the ESPN Trade Machine and internet discussion boards like this one have created a desire for this knowledge. Bobby Marks is on TV because people want to know. Nowadays, if a reporter gets it wrong, people will notice because we fact-check.

So it’s better now, but I think it’s a mistake to assume national figures, even these days, always get it right.

It was multiple reporters, but ok.

[Domejandro]

Howdy partners,

Does something around a Payton Prichard for Reid deal sound interesting?

I don't think it is a terrible offer (since Payton Prichard has one more year on his deal), but I think Minnesota might be able to obtain slightly more elsewhere. Right now, the hope would be to net Bones Hyland or something like two Second Round Draft Picks. That said, if Minnesota has nothing else on-the-table at the Trade Deadline, I definitely think that is something both teams would consider, even if slightly light for Minnesota!

[Domejandro]

Since the Los Angeles Clippers only have 14 players under contract, maybe something like Naz Reid and Jaylen Nowell for Terance Mann? Just Naz Reid feels light, so offering them Jaylen Nowell (despite his brutal play) might help bridge the gap.

[shrink]

Since the Los Angeles Clippers only have 14 players under contract, maybe something like Naz Reid and Jaylen Nowell for Terance Mann? Just Naz Reid feels light, so offering them Jaylen Nowell (despite his brutal play) might help bridge the gap.

That seems fairer, if you think Nowell has any value.

What I’m curious about is Naz + DLo to the Clippers. These two players would cover their two biggest holes. Even better, if it works out, the Clippers owners can move on from some of his players, and bring back DLo on a more reasonable number. It’s a lot easier to pay the lux if you were already going to be paying the lux on players you didn’t like! And if DLo doesn’t work, he can bail, and save tons of tax. The Clippers could really use a Point Guard (Mann is playing PG right now!), especially one that can be a useful shooter when the ball is in Paul George or Kawhi’s hands.

What kind of value do you think they can bring to the table for both?

[moss_is_1]

Heat, Suns, Mavs, Clippers teams interested in Dlo. Honestly with how he's been playing lately it's a good time to sell high, because I do think he can't be relied on to score consistently and his defense is never going to be good.

[Dewey]

You'd rather let Nowell and Naz walk in the offseason for nothing, or get value out of them while we can? Nowell hasn't taken the jump we hoped, Naz we developed as an UDFA, but he's due for a payday and it's not gonna happen here as his best position is occupied by 2 players that are vastly superior to him.

Absolutely… swapping spit is not value. If we don’t wanna pay a player and they are not worth a pick - it smells let’m walk. These trades around here are garbage

Two seconds for Naz Reid would be perfectly adequate value, the "first round pick or bust" take really doesn't make sense.

If Minnesota can get more value for an expiring player than what they bring to the team during this season, then Minnesota should absolutely pursue those options.

Ya, but where’s the value? There’s value when the other team has a need and we have a player that can fill that need … or we can just do the Wolves thing …

[shrink]

When your GM has identified Cancar, Monte Morris and Jokic in the second round, I’m happy to get him some second rounders.

[lewdog]

Heat, Suns, Mavs, Clippers teams interested in Dlo. Honestly with how he's been playing lately it's a good time to sell high, because I do think he can't be relied on to score consistently and his defense is never going to be good.

If our goal is to at least make the playoffs, (like it or not) Dlo is going to have to be our PG for the remainder of the season. You take him off this team, you don't win at least half our games in December/January. Who replaces his shooting/scoring? Surely not the players we'd receive back in a trade.

[minimus]

Heat, Suns, Mavs, Clippers teams interested in Dlo. Honestly with how he's been playing lately it's a good time to sell high, because I do think he can't be relied on to score consistently and his defense is never going to be good.

If our goal is to at least make the playoffs, (like it or not) Dlo is going to have to be our PG for the remainder of the season. You take him off this team, you don't win at least half our games in December/January. Who replaces his shooting/scoring? Surely not the players we'd receive back in a trade.

I have heard that after trade deadline one all-star offensive minded big(20+ ppg) might come back after serious injury

[minimus]

I see one timeline problem with Reid trade... We need badly his production, while both Gobert and Towns are dealing with injuries. Towns might be back in March-April, but trade deadline is Feb.9... I would trade Reid but preferably not in West conference and only if I am sure that Towns is recovering well. We can also gamble and wait for offseason and try to re-sign him.

For instance,

Knicks center Mitchell Robinson will undergo surgery on his fractured right hand and is expected to miss four to six weeks

Maybe we can get IQ from Knicks, since they need a big. But timing is off...

[shangrila]

Another trade based on some recent rumours and Reddit comments.

BRK gets; D'Angelo Russell, Naz Reid
MIN gets; Seth Curry, Joe Harris, '23 1st (best of BRK/PHI)

That's the framework but it'll need tweaking since it's got the Nets taking on about 5-6mil, which is an absurd amount given their lux tax bill.

Reasoning - Apparently the Nets need another ball handler and Russell fits that, while also able to play off Durant and Irving (and Simmons I guess). They've had interest in Reid who should give them a different dimension next to Simmons/Claxton.

The Wolves get a pair of shooters to boost the offence while also snagging a 1st for Reid. They probably need to take someone else back, not exactly sure who though.


As weird as it sounds since I'm proposing it, I'm not too sure about a deal like this. Having a team that competes defensively has been fun to watch and both Curry/Harris aren't much better than DLo and Nowell (who'd lose his minutes) on that end. But the consistent offensive 3pt shooting might be enough to offset it.

[shrink]

Since the Los Angeles Clippers only have 14 players under contract, maybe something like Naz Reid and Jaylen Nowell for Terance Mann? Just Naz Reid feels light, so offering them Jaylen Nowell (despite his brutal play) might help bridge the gap.

That seems fairer, if you think Nowell has any value.

What I’m curious about is Naz + DLo to the Clippers. These two players would cover their two biggest holes. Even better, if it works out, the Clippers owners can move on from some of his players, and bring back DLo on a more reasonable number. It’s a lot easier to pay the lux if you were already going to be paying the lux on players you didn’t like! And if DLo doesn’t work, he can bail, and save tons of tax. The Clippers could really use a Point Guard (Mann is playing PG right now!), especially one that can be a useful shooter when the ball is in Paul George or Kawhi’s hands.

What kind of value do you think they can bring to the table for both?

The more I look at it, the less impressed I am with the Clippers players in a DLo trade, and I wonder if any of them (Kennard, Morris, Batum, Covington or Reggie Jackson) are better than Russell? Norm Powell may be, but his four year deal is worrisome when we will be a lux team in 2. They also don’t have an unencumbered 1st until 2027, after the Paul George trade.

Mann I like, so maybe just sticking with Naz for Mann is smarter, and let them find a PG elsewhere?

[Guest84]

Since the Los Angeles Clippers only have 14 players under contract, maybe something like Naz Reid and Jaylen Nowell for Terance Mann? Just Naz Reid feels light, so offering them Jaylen Nowell (despite his brutal play) might help bridge the gap.

That seems fairer, if you think Nowell has any value.

What I’m curious about is Naz + DLo to the Clippers. These two players would cover their two biggest holes. Even better, if it works out, the Clippers owners can move on from some of his players, and bring back DLo on a more reasonable number. It’s a lot easier to pay the lux if you were already going to be paying the lux on players you didn’t like! And if DLo doesn’t work, he can bail, and save tons of tax. The Clippers could really use a Point Guard (Mann is playing PG right now!), especially one that can be a useful shooter when the ball is in Paul George or Kawhi’s hands.

What kind of value do you think they can bring to the table for both?

The more I look at it, the less impressed I am with the Clippers players in a DLo trade, and I wonder if any of them (Kennard, Morris, Batum, Covington or Reggie Jackson) are better than Russell? Norm Powell may be, but his four year deal is worrisome when we will be a lux team in 2. They also don’t have an unencumbered 1st until 2027, after the Paul George trade.

Mann I like, so maybe just sticking with Naz for Mann is smarter, and let them find a PG elsewhere?

I'm with you shrink. Although, none of the clips' players do anything for me. They're about to implode after this year if they don't make noise in the playoffs. I can't see them moving forward with KL and PG...fire sale soon probably.