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Post#1161 » by vagelis » Wed May 17, 2017 6:01 am

I have a lot of doubts about Isaac. He seems not explossive enough to play sf and he seems not strong enough to play pf. That was also the case for Dragan Bender the previous year although Isaac seems a better prospect than Bender.
I do not also think that Thibs will draft a weak player for the pf position. We already have a lot of issues in the post.
I hope that we will get lucky and one of Monk or Tatum remains available for the 7th pick.
If not then I will go with Markkanen. Although I think he will not pair well with Towns because they are both bigs who prefer playing outside of the post and shooting from distance.
But at least we will have a good bench scorer.
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Post#1162 » by Murphs56 » Wed May 17, 2017 6:26 am

vagelis wrote:I have a lot of doubts about Isaac. He seems not explossive enough to play sf and he seems not strong enough to play pf. That was also the case for Dragan Bender the previous year although Isaac seems a better prospect than Bender.
I do not also think that Thibs will draft a weak player for the pf position. We already have a lot of issues in the post.
I hope that we will get lucky and one of Monk or Tatum remains available for the 7th pick.
If not then I will go with Markkanen. Although I think he will not pair well with Towns because they are both bigs who prefer playing outside of the post and shooting from distance.
But at least we will have a good bench scorer.


Town likes the 3, but he's one of the best post players in the league. His hook shot is deadly
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Post#1163 » by TwolvesFanRome » Wed May 17, 2017 6:42 am

Isaac or Markkannen?

Let s pick Markkannen...and he will be the steal!
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Post#1164 » by Murphs56 » Wed May 17, 2017 6:59 am

The lottery worked out just fine as I wasn't expecting us to move up or anything. I believe the first 5 players off the board are Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox & Tatum leaving us with 2 of 3 players to choose from (Monk/Isaac/Markkanen), which is exactly what I thought anyway. Each player fills a need that Thibs has mentioned this offseason. Personally, I think Monk would be ideal. The bench play was atrocious last season and Monk would be instant offense.
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Post#1165 » by Klomp » Wed May 17, 2017 7:13 am

vagelis wrote:I have a lot of doubts about Isaac. He seems not explossive enough to play sf and he seems not strong enough to play pf. That was also the case for Dragan Bender the previous year although Isaac seems a better prospect than Bender.
I do not also think that Thibs will draft a weak player for the pf position. We already have a lot of issues in the post.

Strength is a weakness for 99.9% of players coming into the league.

And while I'm not ignoring it, I'm also not concerned about it for Isaac. It's not like he's been a PF all of his life. Three years ago, he was 6'3". At 190 lbs, he wasn't skinny for that position. After a growth spurt, it takes time to grow into your new body.

BTW, looking up more info on Isaac and thought this was interesting from 1.5 years ago:

“I hope so,” he said when asked if he thought he was done growing. “I kind of don’t want to get taller, because I want to stay at the 3 (position).”

https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2016/01/jonathan-isaac-grows-into-hoop-summit.aspx
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Post#1166 » by Klomp » Wed May 17, 2017 7:17 am

This is a big part of what excites me about Isaac:

"He tries to play the game the right way," Hamilton said. "Doesn't hold on to the ball. He tries to do everything he can to try to help the team win. And sometimes people are like, 'Would you like for him to be more aggressive?' Well, we want him to develop at his own pace and to be comfortable with it. Defensively, he takes challenges, blocks shots and rebounds. He is concerned about making the pass to the guy who gets the assist. He's not all caught up in statistics.

http://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/college/fgcu/2017/03/15/ncaa-tournament-seminoles-jonathan-isaac-long-way-his-barron-collier-days/99231930/
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Post#1167 » by shangrila » Wed May 17, 2017 8:45 am

Klomp wrote:This is a big part of what excites me about Isaac:

"He tries to play the game the right way," Hamilton said. "Doesn't hold on to the ball. He tries to do everything he can to try to help the team win. And sometimes people are like, 'Would you like for him to be more aggressive?' Well, we want him to develop at his own pace and to be comfortable with it. Defensively, he takes challenges, blocks shots and rebounds. He is concerned about making the pass to the guy who gets the assist. He's not all caught up in statistics.

http://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/college/fgcu/2017/03/15/ncaa-tournament-seminoles-jonathan-isaac-long-way-his-barron-collier-days/99231930/

Exactly what we need between Towns and Wiggins.
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Post#1168 » by Vindicater » Wed May 17, 2017 9:35 am

Klomp wrote:This is a big part of what excites me about Isaac:

"He tries to play the game the right way," Hamilton said. "Doesn't hold on to the ball. He tries to do everything he can to try to help the team win. And sometimes people are like, 'Would you like for him to be more aggressive?' Well, we want him to develop at his own pace and to be comfortable with it. Defensively, he takes challenges, blocks shots and rebounds. He is concerned about making the pass to the guy who gets the assist. He's not all caught up in statistics.

http://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/college/fgcu/2017/03/15/ncaa-tournament-seminoles-jonathan-isaac-long-way-his-barron-collier-days/99231930/


Sounds like what they said about Wesley Johnson.

That worked out well.
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Post#1169 » by Mattya » Wed May 17, 2017 9:38 am

Vindicater wrote:
Klomp wrote:This is a big part of what excites me about Isaac:

"He tries to play the game the right way," Hamilton said. "Doesn't hold on to the ball. He tries to do everything he can to try to help the team win. And sometimes people are like, 'Would you like for him to be more aggressive?' Well, we want him to develop at his own pace and to be comfortable with it. Defensively, he takes challenges, blocks shots and rebounds. He is concerned about making the pass to the guy who gets the assist. He's not all caught up in statistics.

http://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/college/fgcu/2017/03/15/ncaa-tournament-seminoles-jonathan-isaac-long-way-his-barron-collier-days/99231930/


Sounds like what they said about Wesley Johnson.

That worked out well.


Are you comparing Jonathan Isaac to Wes Johnson?
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Post#1170 » by PharmD » Wed May 17, 2017 10:30 am

vagelis wrote:I have a lot of doubts about Isaac. He seems not explossive enough to play sf and he seems not strong enough to play pf. That was also the case for Dragan Bender the previous year although Isaac seems a better prospect than Bender.
I do not also think that Thibs will draft a weak player for the pf position. We already have a lot of issues in the post.
I hope that we will get lucky and one of Monk or Tatum remains available for the 7th pick.
If not then I will go with Markkanen. Although I think he will not pair well with Towns because they are both bigs who prefer playing outside of the post and shooting from distance.
But at least we will have a good bench scorer.

Karl Anthony Towns led the NBA in paint points this last season.
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Post#1171 » by vagelis » Wed May 17, 2017 11:39 am

PharmD wrote:Karl Anthony Towns led the NBA in paint points this last season.


Yes, maybe I was wrong about that because I see him shoot many long 2's and 3's.
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Post#1172 » by wildvikeswolves » Wed May 17, 2017 12:39 pm

I'm good with either Isaac or Markkanen right now. I like Monk, but is there enough minutes to go around for Wiggins, Lavine, Dunn, and Monk?
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Post#1173 » by Midw35t » Wed May 17, 2017 1:18 pm

vagelis wrote:
PharmD wrote:Karl Anthony Towns led the NBA in paint points this last season.


Yes, maybe I was wrong about that because I see him shoot many long 2's and 3's.


He does. He makes all of those as well. After the all-star break I never expected him to miss a shot.
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Post#1174 » by No-Man » Wed May 17, 2017 2:42 pm

For me it'd be between Isaac, ideal pair with KAT if Thibs ever moves on from playing 2 traditional bigs, or Ntilikina, best 3&D prospect available even if you don't want to play him as a PG, he has the size to be developed as a wing.

The others, I'd not have much interest in, Monk basically guarantees that your perimeter D is gonna suck if your rotation on the wings is him, Wiggins and Zach, and he is redundant with LaVine, Fox makes 0 sense, Tatum just overlaps a ton with Wiggins, and Markkanen even though he is a terrific shooter generates more issues than he solves, you can get his shooting at a worse rate but with added defense with Isaac.
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Post#1175 » by Foye » Wed May 17, 2017 3:27 pm

I have not done too much homework on Isaac and Markkanen but both look decent. I dont think they'll be homeruns but could be worse.


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Post#1176 » by Cim2217 » Wed May 17, 2017 3:31 pm

The good thing is, there are going to be options with the 7th pick. If Thibs is leaning toward trading Rubio, I would look at DSJ if he is available. Dunn struggled last season only scoring 293 points. He's a helluva defender, but the offense just wasn't there. Hopefully he will take a huge step forward this upcoming season. You had your shooter in last years draft with Buddy Hield, but that didn't happen like it should of.
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Post#1177 » by RationalGaze » Wed May 17, 2017 3:36 pm

Isaiah Hartenstein or De'Aaron Fox
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Post#1178 » by DaKid » Wed May 17, 2017 4:07 pm

I think you have to take Isaac if he's available. He's a very good defender who has a very good shot. He can drive to the basket past larger defenders and can pull up and hit jumpers over smaller defenders. He shot over 59% from 2 last year and almost 35% from 3. He's also very good from the free throw line at 78%.

His skill set and height reminds me a lot of a Durant or Greek freak style of player. He might not be ready right away according to the experts but neither was kat. I like what markkanen could bring to this team but I would much rather see Isaac as our pick.
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Post#1179 » by Klomp » Wed May 17, 2017 6:58 pm

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Post#1180 » by Murphs56 » Wed May 17, 2017 7:02 pm

wildvikeswolves wrote:I'm good with either Isaac or Markkanen right now. I like Monk, but is there enough minutes to go around for Wiggins, Lavine, Dunn, and Monk?


Monk is going to be your main scorer off the bench or would possibly even start if LaVine is brought back slow. There are minutes.

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