Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[life_saver]

is reporting that Reddish has been traded to the Knicks.

Correction: Info on hoopshype was off. The real trade is

Knicks receive: Cam Reddish, Solomon Hill, 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn)

Hawks receive: Kevin Knox, 2022 first-round pick (via Charlotte, protected 1-18)

I have been championing ATL as a destination for Josh Okogie.

This trade opens minutes that would make him even more valuable.

I think Jazz is also a decent trade destination for Josh...Jazz's perimeter defense is awful and they badly need someone like Josh

[IceManBK1]

We need Turner bad.. We have no interior d and rebounding. Beasley, Okogie, McDaniels and 2nd for Turner and Jeremy Lamb. Make it happen please..or fire finch.. We could have won some of these close games if we executed better down the stretch.

[Mamba4Goat]

We need Turner bad.. We have no interior d and rebounding. Beasley, Okogie, McDaniels and 2nd for Turner and Jeremy Lamb. Make it happen please..or fire finch.. We could have won some of these close games if we executed better down the stretch.

Calling for Finch’s job is rather extreme. A lot of these late game blunders are on the players rather than Finch.

[Neeva]

We need Turner bad.. We have no interior d and rebounding. Beasley, Okogie, McDaniels and 2nd for Turner and Jeremy Lamb. Make it happen please..or fire finch.. We could have won some of these close games if we executed better down the stretch.

Calling for Finch’s job is rather extreme. A lot of these late game blunders are on the players rather than Finch.

At some point he needs to take accountability.

[winforlose]

Finch cannot make Beasley hit open 3s. Nor can he make Ant box out nor can he make the refs call a clean game. Finch does need to tweak rotations and always keep 2 of the big 3 on the floor at the same time. We need additional rebounding, we need bench scoring (especially when Nowell is out,) and we need more shot creation. I still say Kemba and Toppin for JO, Layman, and Leo is a good call.

[WolfAddict]

Finch cannot make Beasley hit open 3s. Nor can he make Ant box out nor can he make the refs call a clean game. Finch does need to tweak rotations and always keep 2 of the big 3 on the floor at the same time. We need additional rebounding, we need bench scoring (especially when Nowell is out,) and we need more shot creation. I still say Kemba and Toppin for JO, Layman, and Leo is a good call.

No he can't, but surely he can change the game plan if the 3's aren't falling.

(FWIW, I don't think Finch should be fired and 100% agree with what you say in the rest of your post)

[King Malta]

Sacking Finch at this point would be right up there on the list of stupidest moves this franchise has made, and that would be saying something.

[_AIJ_]

Beasley and reid should be packing their bags tomorrow

[old school 34]

Bench inconsistencies are really getting frustrating & now some of it is just living thru youth. It will be interesting to see how they address it....a couple of thoughts on some guys now on the market that at least haven't been talked about at least for some time?

Colby White....would he give the bench more juice & another playmaker type? Not a great defensive player...but say he's more of say a Beasley upgrade...takes some pressure off Nowell being the only playmaker on 2nd unit?

Jaxson Hayes...he's very much pushed around as a C, but could he be a 4 on our 2nd unit & essentially the ying vs yang w/ Naz? Don't know his game well enough that he could be stretched defensively but still add some of the length lost with Naz @ the 5?

Jalen Smith...interesting to hear from some other websites that now that he's had an impressive run here especially....that he's almost deemed himself not tradable....as since his rookie deal wasn't extended...he's not only an UFA, but the team that has him @ the end of the year can only offer him like 4.5 mil next year & strong chance he's secured that someone will at least offer that? Haven't watched so close that he's for sure secured that kind of payday, but if so...interesting nba wrinkle that seems a little goofy?

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[Mamba4Goat]

I don’t know if going with more young players is the move. I wouldn’t hate veterans being added to give the team some stability. For the wings Alec Burks and Eric Gordon would be terrific options to have on the wishlist. For the big man slot in ready to pay up for Larry Nance Jr or Kelly Olynyk. I’d also love to see Knight getting some looks in Naz’s place as well as a Biyombo signing. That may be too optimistic though.

[Neeva]

Sad thing is other teams have made cheap moves to help their front courts like getting Biyombo or even Marquisse Chriss.. and wolves have done absolutely nothing.

[Neeva]

Too bad Kuzma has been really good lately , I was hoping a swap of Kuzma for Beasley would have worked. Kuzma can rebound and shoot the three.

[minimus]

I know that Ja Morant has a rookie contract, that why they could invest more money in role players, but having a solid group of ball handlers in Morant, Tyus, Melton is huge. They are all solid defenders as well. I hope that Nowell will develop into solid 3rd ball handler for us.

[minimus]

I don't want to trade Beasley just for sake of trade. But I understand that we need frontcourt depth and veterans.

Okogie, Layman for Daniel Theis
Why for HOU: Theis is not in rotation, so basically they shed his salary and get Okogie.

Prince, 2022 SRP for RoCo
Why for POR: Dame and CJ McCollum are going to miss more games, it doesn't make much sense for them to keep playing RoCo.

Towns/Reid/Theis
Vando/RoCo/Knight
Edwards/MCD/RoCo
Beverley/Beasley/Bolmaro
DLo/Nowell/JMac

[winforlose]

I don't want to trade Beasley just for sake of trade. But I understand that we need frontcourt depth and veterans.

Okogie, Layman for Daniel Theis
Why for HOU: Theis is not in rotation, so basically they shed his salary and get Okogie.

Prince, 2022 SRP for RoCo
Why for POR: Dame and CJ McCollum are going to miss more games, it doesn't make much sense for them to keep playing RoCo.

Towns/Reid/Theis
Vando/RoCo/Knight
Edwards/MCD/RoCo
Beverley/Beasley/Bolmaro
DLo/Nowell/JMac

Gotta ask why you want Roco? As was mentioned above his offensive production is way down this year and his defense while useful is not sufficient to justify another offensive liability. Theis is nice for his PNR skills, I just don’t know that they give him to us for Layman and Okogie. Also JO might be more useful elsewhere. Apparently teams have been calling about him, he might get more value.

[minimus]

I don't want to trade Beasley just for sake of trade. But I understand that we need frontcourt depth and veterans.

Okogie, Layman for Daniel Theis
Why for HOU: Theis is not in rotation, so basically they shed his salary and get Okogie.

Prince, 2022 SRP for RoCo
Why for POR: Dame and CJ McCollum are going to miss more games, it doesn't make much sense for them to keep playing RoCo.

Towns/Reid/Theis
Vando/RoCo/Knight
Edwards/MCD/RoCo
Beverley/Beasley/Bolmaro
DLo/Nowell/JMac

Gotta ask why you want Roco? As was mentioned above his offensive production is way down this year and his defense while useful is not sufficient to justify another offensive liability. Theis is nice for his PNR skills, I just don’t know that they give him to us for Layman and Okogie. Also JO might be more useful elsewhere. Apparently teams have been calling about him, he might get more value.

Yes, no doubts, RoCo ist declining. But if I think about one veteran who can be mentor like Beverley it is RoCo. Let me explain. RoCo played in HOU as a perfect low man, moreover our defensive coordinator Elston Turner is from HOU as well.

https://youtu.be/wxCdI_MUIKE

RoCo is also probably the best veteran when I think about our chemistry, he is close to Towns, and more important we did him a favor when we traded him to contending HOU, so he is probably one of the few players who left MIN without bad taste. I also can see if we bring him for full MLE 36/4 with partially guaranteed last two years. I don't think he is a starting caliber player right now, but giving in backup combo forward role and 25 mpg he might be still efficient. So Vando-RoCo-MCD trio on wings can grow organically. If I think about Jeremi Grant or Harrison Barnes I can see they leaving us after their contract end. They will seek money and playing time

Same story with Theis. He is not declining, but he is clearly a role player without upside, but I like his attitude, unselfishness and toughness. So he will compliment well talented, but not disciplined Towns, Reid and Knight.

[winforlose]

I don't want to trade Beasley just for sake of trade. But I understand that we need frontcourt depth and veterans.

Okogie, Layman for Daniel Theis
Why for HOU: Theis is not in rotation, so basically they shed his salary and get Okogie.

Prince, 2022 SRP for RoCo
Why for POR: Dame and CJ McCollum are going to miss more games, it doesn't make much sense for them to keep playing RoCo.

Towns/Reid/Theis
Vando/RoCo/Knight
Edwards/MCD/RoCo
Beverley/Beasley/Bolmaro
DLo/Nowell/JMac

Gotta ask why you want Roco? As was mentioned above his offensive production is way down this year and his defense while useful is not sufficient to justify another offensive liability. Theis is nice for his PNR skills, I just don’t know that they give him to us for Layman and Okogie. Also JO might be more useful elsewhere. Apparently teams have been calling about him, he might get more value.

Yes, no doubts, RoCo ist declining. But if I think about one veteran who can be mentor like Beverley it is RoCo. Let me explain. RoCo played in HOU as a perfect low man, moreover our defensive coordinator Elston Turner is from HOU as well.

https://youtu.be/wxCdI_MUIKE

RoCo is also probably the best veteran when I think about our chemistry, he is close to Towns, and more important we did him a favor when we traded him to contending HOU, so he is probably one of the few players who left MIN without bad taste. I also can see if we bring him for full MLE 36/4 with partially guaranteed last two years. I don't think he is a starting caliber player right now, but giving in backup combo forward role and 25 mpg he might be still efficient. So Vando-RoCo-MCD trio on wings can grow organically. If I think about Jeremi Grant or Harrison Barnes I can see they leaving us after their contract end. They will seek money and playing time

Same story with Theis. He is not declining, but he is clearly a role player without upside, but I like his attitude, unselfishness and toughness. So he will compliment well talented, but not disciplined Towns, Reid and Knight.

V8 is not great at offense. Outside of the right set up he cannot score. MCD is incredibly inconsistent on offense and more often than not a liability. It is hard playing the two together and as last night showed cost us in scoring. Adding Roco to the rotation puts another such player in the mix. His size doesn’t really help our rebounding woes, his 3 point shooting isn’t what it used to be, and his speed will likely decline with age. I just don’t see him as a solution. If he wants to come here as a free agent maybe, but not for that kind of money. Maybe 5 a year (maybe 6 with incentives,) but certainly not 9. As you said he likes KAT and hopefully by next year we are looking like a playoff team with real top 4 potential (Ant taking a step forward and Dlo getting his mojo back, plus trades.) I think we have a better chance of getting him in free agency and should use our trade bait (expiring contracts and Okogie,) to focus on guys who can contribute now rather than be end of bench.

[minimus]

Gotta ask why you want Roco? As was mentioned above his offensive production is way down this year and his defense while useful is not sufficient to justify another offensive liability. Theis is nice for his PNR skills, I just don’t know that they give him to us for Layman and Okogie. Also JO might be more useful elsewhere. Apparently teams have been calling about him, he might get more value.

Yes, no doubts, RoCo ist declining. But if I think about one veteran who can be mentor like Beverley it is RoCo. Let me explain. RoCo played in HOU as a perfect low man, moreover our defensive coordinator Elston Turner is from HOU as well.

https://youtu.be/wxCdI_MUIKE

RoCo is also probably the best veteran when I think about our chemistry, he is close to Towns, and more important we did him a favor when we traded him to contending HOU, so he is probably one of the few players who left MIN without bad taste. I also can see if we bring him for full MLE 36/4 with partially guaranteed last two years. I don't think he is a starting caliber player right now, but giving in backup combo forward role and 25 mpg he might be still efficient. So Vando-RoCo-MCD trio on wings can grow organically. If I think about Jeremi Grant or Harrison Barnes I can see they leaving us after their contract end. They will seek money and playing time

Same story with Theis. He is not declining, but he is clearly a role player without upside, but I like his attitude, unselfishness and toughness. So he will compliment well talented, but not disciplined Towns, Reid and Knight.

V8 is not great at offense. Outside of the right set up he cannot score. MCD is incredibly inconsistent on offense and more often than not a liability. It is hard playing the two together and as last night showed cost us in scoring. Adding Roco to the rotation puts another such player in the mix. His size doesn’t really help our rebounding woes, his 3 point shooting isn’t what it used to be, and his speed will likely decline with age. I just don’t see him as a solution. If he wants to come here as a free agent maybe, but not for that kind of money. Maybe 5 a year (maybe 6 with incentives,) but certainly not 9. As you said he likes KAT and hopefully by next year we are looking like a playoff team with real top 4 potential (Ant taking a step forward and Dlo getting his mojo back, plus trades.) I think we have a better chance of getting him in free agency and should use our trade bait (expiring contracts and Okogie,) to focus on guys who can contribute now rather than be end of bench.

Well, given our roster construction I don't see much scoring opportunities outside KAT-Edwards-DLo trio. I can see us being successful with last year version of Beasley and this year Nowell as complimentary scorers. Saying this I am okay with V8 and MCD limited production in offense. Both are young and can improve. RoCo and Theis trades are not sexiest trades, but I think we can improve a lot simply by adding high character veterans who simply know how to play. I want MIN to be more consistent in small things such as boxing out, foul less etc. Also bringing two guys who can play C/PF/SF positions is beneficial.

P.S. As much as I want Gupta to make a big trade, I don't want him to make trade neither to please Lore/ARod nor to secure his job. Sometimes it make sese to make small adjustments and wait for bigger opportunity. These two trades are kind of adjustment deal, which won't limit our future flexibility

[_AIJ_]

Any interest in Jeff Green? Would be a very good vet off the bench

[IceManBK1]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/sacramento-kings/harrison-barnes-10815/

Beasley, Okogie+2nd for Harrison Barnes? Still only 29 yrs old..can be 3D or small ball 4.