Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[BlacJacMac]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/sacramento-kings/harrison-barnes-10815/

Beasley, Okogie+2nd for Harrison Barnes? Still only 29 yrs old..can be 3D or small ball 4.

Why would SAC do that? They have no need for Beasley.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/sacramento-kings/harrison-barnes-10815/

Beasley, Okogie+2nd for Harrison Barnes? Still only 29 yrs old..can be 3D or small ball 4.

Why would SAC do that? They have no need for Beasley.

maybe they'll trade buddy hield..beasley is like a poor man's version of hield.

[theGreatRC]

I REALLy hope we get Myles Turner. Elite Shot blocking presence with respectable range for a C that fills a big need for us. How would the spacing be though if we started;

DLO
Ant
Vando
KAT
Turner

Bev, Nowell, Naz and Prince as the bench rotation

[IceManBK1]

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we need to act fast..give Pacers a late 1st..get it done. no risk no reward.

[theGreatRC]

Beasley + lotto protected first for Turner

[minimus]

Is Delon Wright any good?

Okogie, Layman for Wright

It gives us another option in backcourt, versatile comboguard who can play 10-15 minutes behind DLo and Beverley

[Rookie-Mistake]

Thomas Bryant?

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[minimus]

Thomas Bryant?

I doubt he is better than Reid in defense.

[shrink]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/sacramento-kings/harrison-barnes-10815/

Beasley, Okogie+2nd for Harrison Barnes? Still only 29 yrs old..can be 3D or small ball 4.

I like this name, and I’ve kept my eye out for the last two years for a possibility to bring Barnes to MIN. These days though, I’m not as big a fan of his fit here. Under Rosas, Barnes you’ll have been great as the “big wing” that he demanded we play next to KAT. Now that he’s gone, I have become very comfortable with Vanderbilt, who makes up for a lot of Towns deficiencies.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Kings, and last week there were rumors that no one on their roster was untouchable in trade talks. However, with injuries to Paul George and Damian Lillard which could turn both teams into sellers, I think they might change directions and Kings’ owner will want to grab that tenth playoff spot. Barnes may be the best player on their team, so I doubt he’s on the market any more, especially at a discount price. I agree with you that they may take Hield offers regardless.

[minimus]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/sacramento-kings/harrison-barnes-10815/

Beasley, Okogie+2nd for Harrison Barnes? Still only 29 yrs old..can be 3D or small ball 4.

I like this name, and I’ve kept my eye out for the last two years for a possibility to bring Barnes to MIN. These days though, I’m not as big a fan of his fit here. Under Rosas, Barnes you’ll have been great as the “big wing” that he demanded we play next to KAT. Now that he’s gone, I have become very comfortable with Vanderbilt, who makes up for a lot of Towns deficiencies.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Kings, and last week there were rumors that no one on their roster was untouchable in trade talks. However, with injuries to Paul George and Damian Lillard which could turn both teams into sellers, I think they might change directions and Kings’ owner will want to grab that tenth playoff spot. Barnes may be the best player on their team, so I doubt he’s on the market any more, especially at a discount price. I agree with you that they may take Hield offers regardless.

Are not you biggest Simmons hater? Because skills-wise Vando is poor version of Simmons, so same problem with Gobert roaming in paint taking away our slashing game. Also I don’t connect Rosas departure and our willingness to add a big wing. In big picture we need players who can finish play and act as low men in “x-out” rotation scheme. It means a big wing is still a need, that’s why even T.Prince gets minutes in MIN.

[winforlose]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/sacramento-kings/harrison-barnes-10815/

Beasley, Okogie+2nd for Harrison Barnes? Still only 29 yrs old..can be 3D or small ball 4.

I like this name, and I’ve kept my eye out for the last two years for a possibility to bring Barnes to MIN. These days though, I’m not as big a fan of his fit here. Under Rosas, Barnes you’ll have been great as the “big wing” that he demanded we play next to KAT. Now that he’s gone, I have become very comfortable with Vanderbilt, who makes up for a lot of Towns deficiencies.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Kings, and last week there were rumors that no one on their roster was untouchable in trade talks. However, with injuries to Paul George and Damian Lillard which could turn both teams into sellers, I think they might change directions and Kings’ owner will want to grab that tenth playoff spot. Barnes may be the best player on their team, so I doubt he’s on the market any more, especially at a discount price. I agree with you that they may take Hield offers regardless.

Are not you biggest Simmons hater? Because skills-wise Vando is poor version of Simmons, so same problem with Gobert roaming in paint taking away our slashing game. Also I don’t connect Rosas departure and our willingness to add a big wing. In big picture we need players who can finish play and act as low men in “x-out” rotation scheme. It means a big wing is still a need, that’s why even T.Prince gets minutes in MIN.

V8 is a better rebounder, free throw shooter, and teammate then Ben Simmons. The fact that he is younger, on a good contract (whereas Simmons is overpaid by a huge amount,) and still improving makes him all the more valuable relative to Simmons. As for big wings, if we add another PF or C to the rotation via trade then V8 becomes a wing and MCD is his backup. Ant moves to starting SG, and when Dlo plays in the second unit with Bev (he usually is first sub out, and leads the second unit,) Dlo will be starting PG and backup SG. In that case the only need for additional SF is bench depth and in theory JO, Layman, or Prince if he is still with us is that depth.

[minimus]

I like this name, and I’ve kept my eye out for the last two years for a possibility to bring Barnes to MIN. These days though, I’m not as big a fan of his fit here. Under Rosas, Barnes you’ll have been great as the “big wing” that he demanded we play next to KAT. Now that he’s gone, I have become very comfortable with Vanderbilt, who makes up for a lot of Towns deficiencies.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Kings, and last week there were rumors that no one on their roster was untouchable in trade talks. However, with injuries to Paul George and Damian Lillard which could turn both teams into sellers, I think they might change directions and Kings’ owner will want to grab that tenth playoff spot. Barnes may be the best player on their team, so I doubt he’s on the market any more, especially at a discount price. I agree with you that they may take Hield offers regardless.

Are not you biggest Simmons hater? Because skills-wise Vando is poor version of Simmons, so same problem with Gobert roaming in paint taking away our slashing game. Also I don’t connect Rosas departure and our willingness to add a big wing. In big picture we need players who can finish play and act as low men in “x-out” rotation scheme. It means a big wing is still a need, that’s why even T.Prince gets minutes in MIN.

V8 is a better rebounder, free throw shooter, and teammate then Ben Simmons. The fact that he is younger, on a good contract (whereas Simmons is overpaid by a huge amount,) and still improving makes him all the more valuable relative to Simmons. As for big wings, if we add another PF or C to the rotation via trade then V8 becomes a wing and MCD is his backup. Ant moves to starting SG, and when Dlo plays in the second unit with Bev (he usually is first sub out, and leads the second unit,) Dlo will be starting PG and backup SG. In that case the only need for additional SF is bench depth and in theory JO, Layman, or Prince if he is still with us is that depth.

Simmons is a way better finisher at rim, passer, defender than V8. And I wrote skills-wise, because I agree with shrink about Simmons contract and personality.

Sorry, your theory of V8 being SF is an basketball utopia. You can believe that it will work till that very first minute when it is on the floor. After that you can see how badly V8 will be exposed. There is a reason why our starting five is leading NBA in NETRtg with V8 basically playing C in offense and low man in defense, and there is a reason why it can't be scaled up to use against any NBA team. V8 is too limited in offense and Towns, DLo are too limited in defense.

[IceManBK1]

3 way b/w Sac, Philly, and Min..
Min in: Ben Simmons
Mmin out: Beasley, Prince, McDaniels 3 1sts

Sac in: Maxey, McDaniels, Beasley
Sac out: De'aaron Fox

Philly in: Foxx, Prince and 3 1sts from Min
Philly Out: Maxey, Simmons

why for Philly: Gets allstar caliber PG along with veteran 3D player who can help them contend for championship, along with 3 first rd pick as assets.

why for Sac: Gets young starter quality players with alot of upside like Maxey and McDaniels in return. Getting Beasley gives them a replacement for Buddy Hield if they wanna trade Hield.

why for Min: We all know why.

[shrink]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/sacramento-kings/harrison-barnes-10815/

Beasley, Okogie+2nd for Harrison Barnes? Still only 29 yrs old..can be 3D or small ball 4.

I like this name, and I’ve kept my eye out for the last two years for a possibility to bring Barnes to MIN. These days though, I’m not as big a fan of his fit here. Under Rosas, Barnes you’ll have been great as the “big wing” that he demanded we play next to KAT. Now that he’s gone, I have become very comfortable with Vanderbilt, who makes up for a lot of Towns deficiencies.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Kings, and last week there were rumors that no one on their roster was untouchable in trade talks. However, with injuries to Paul George and Damian Lillard which could turn both teams into sellers, I think they might change directions and Kings’ owner will want to grab that tenth playoff spot. Barnes may be the best player on their team, so I doubt he’s on the market any more, especially at a discount price. I agree with you that they may take Hield offers regardless.

Are not you biggest Simmons hater? Because skills-wise Vando is poor version of Simmons, so same problem with Gobert roaming in paint taking away our slashing game. Also I don’t connect Rosas departure and our willingness to add a big wing. In big picture we need players who can finish play and act as low men in “x-out” rotation scheme. It means a big wing is still a need, that’s why even T.Prince gets minutes in MIN.

I’m confused, so I probably didn’t explain myself correctly.

I like big wings. They are very valuable in today’s NBA. However, the stats are poor when we pair KAT with a big wing as his PF.

Barnes as a 3? Sure, as long as he doesn’t trample on a single Ant minute. Barnes as a 4? Not so much, for me.

[minimus]

I like this name, and I’ve kept my eye out for the last two years for a possibility to bring Barnes to MIN. These days though, I’m not as big a fan of his fit here. Under Rosas, Barnes you’ll have been great as the “big wing” that he demanded we play next to KAT. Now that he’s gone, I have become very comfortable with Vanderbilt, who makes up for a lot of Towns deficiencies.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Kings, and last week there were rumors that no one on their roster was untouchable in trade talks. However, with injuries to Paul George and Damian Lillard which could turn both teams into sellers, I think they might change directions and Kings’ owner will want to grab that tenth playoff spot. Barnes may be the best player on their team, so I doubt he’s on the market any more, especially at a discount price. I agree with you that they may take Hield offers regardless.

Are not you biggest Simmons hater? Because skills-wise Vando is poor version of Simmons, so same problem with Gobert roaming in paint taking away our slashing game. Also I don’t connect Rosas departure and our willingness to add a big wing. In big picture we need players who can finish play and act as low men in “x-out” rotation scheme. It means a big wing is still a need, that’s why even T.Prince gets minutes in MIN.

I’m confused, so I probably didn’t explain myself correctly.

I like big wings. They are very valuable in today’s NBA. However, the stats are poor when we pair KAT with a big wing as his PF.

Barnes as a 3? Sure, as long as he doesn’t trample on a single Ant minute. Barnes as a 4? Not so much, for me.

Honestly I wouldn't necessarily label our wings as PF or SF. They both must rotate properly as low men and execute x-out.

Vanderbilt 6-9, 214lb, 39'5 vertical, 7'1 wingspan.
Barnes 6-8, 225lb, 6'11 wingspan.

Measurements for the 6-foot-8 Barnes were off the charts, as he registered the highest no-step vertical jump (38 inches), the fourth-highest maximum vertical (39.5), the fastest three-quarter court sprint (3.16)

So yes, technically speaking Vando is a little bigger than Barnes, but Vando is not a tier above athletically, so both are pretty good athletes. Also Vando has not fully developed low back strength yet, and his legs are pretty skinny. Meanwhile Barnes is a well seasoned veteran, who got bigger over past years. Same thing about Jerami Grant who is 6'8, 210lb with 7'3" wingspan.

I also attribute Towns+RoCo failure in defense to both scheme and personell: a) Towns is not effective in drop scheme b) we need a quality PoA defender to share defensive load with Towns and RoCo can't be this guy (but can be pretty effective bigman as we saw in HOU)

I also don't want us to replace Vando in starting five, I want another big wing to compliment V8-MCD. So ideally it should be a veteran, who knows his role and can bring some consistency from the bench.

[Klomp]

Are not you biggest Simmons hater? Because skills-wise Vando is poor version of Simmons, so same problem with Gobert roaming in paint taking away our slashing game.

This is one of the more funnier developments on the Timberwolves forum this season. Everyone loves Vanderbilt. Yet Simmons gets disregarded for having many of the same capabilities. I'm aware winforlose that they are not identical, cloned players, so you can save the schpiel about rebounding, etc.

What makes Vanderbilt special is his defensive versatility. You couldn't put Myles Turner or Thomas Bryant in a similar defensive role because they do not have the same versatility. Simmons has it, and then some.

[wolves_89]

Here's my attempt at making a deal to upgrade the bench.

MIN out: Beasley, Prince, Layman, McLaughlin, 2022 WAS 2nd, 2022 DEN 2nd, 2025 MIN 2nd, $2.5M cash
MIN in: Josh Richardson, Marvin Bagley, Dennis Schroder, Aaron Nesmith, Robert Woodard

BOS out: Josh Richardson, Dennis Schroder, Aaron Nesmith, 2023 POR 2nd
BOS in: Malik Beasley, Jordan McLaughlin, 2022 WAS 2nd

SAC out: Marvin Bagley, Robert Woodard
SAC in: Taurean Prince, Jake Layman, 2022 DEN 2nd, 2023 POR 2nd, 2025 MIN 2nd, $2.5M cash


Why for Minnesota: Upgrades three bench spots with Richardson, Bagley, and Schroder while only giving up 2nd round picks. The Wolves also stay under the luxury tax threshold.

Why for Boston: Get a high volume shooter in Beasley and more importantly get under the luxury tax threshold while not having to lose any picks (shift one 2nd from 2023 to 2022).

Why for Sacramento: Get a guy who can defend bigger wings (Prince) and get some value for Bagley (two 2nds for Bagley and one second plus cash to take back Layman). The Kings stay under the luxury tax and don't take on any future salary.

[winforlose]

Are not you biggest Simmons hater? Because skills-wise Vando is poor version of Simmons, so same problem with Gobert roaming in paint taking away our slashing game.

This is one of the more funnier developments on the Timberwolves forum this season. Everyone loves Vanderbilt. Yet Simmons gets disregarded for having many of the same capabilities. I'm aware winforlose that they are not identical, cloned players, so you can save the schpiel about rebounding, etc.

What makes Vanderbilt special is his defensive versatility. You couldn't put Myles Turner or Thomas Bryant in a similar defensive role because they do not have the same versatility. Simmons has it, and then some.

But the schpiel is so fun. BTW, everyone on my side pointed out Simmons is a max player, V8 is a team friendly contract and one of the lowest paid starters. Also, V8 is already on our team and Simmons is not. Acquiring him costs us value and sticks us with a bad contract. Oh, and my favorite bit, the guy has 5 years left on his deal and is refusing to play because his teammates and fans are disappointed that he chocked and ruined their playoff series. So not only is he a bad contract, but he is expensive to acquire, and mentally unstable. All of that before we even get into the schpiel. Can you say apples and oranges?

[minimus]

Are not you biggest Simmons hater? Because skills-wise Vando is poor version of Simmons, so same problem with Gobert roaming in paint taking away our slashing game.

This is one of the more funnier developments on the Timberwolves forum this season. Everyone loves Vanderbilt. Yet Simmons gets disregarded for having many of the same capabilities. I'm aware winforlose that they are not identical, cloned players, so you can save the schpiel about rebounding, etc.

What makes Vanderbilt special is his defensive versatility. You couldn't put Myles Turner or Thomas Bryant in a similar defensive role because they do not have the same versatility. Simmons has it, and then some.

I can't find exact quote, but coach Finch said recently something like whole idea of five-out is kind of misunderstood, because it is about five players on the floor able to finish plays. He said this with regard to Vando. I think this is more motivation from coach, but I think this is one thing we clearly lack - a big who can finish around the rim. Last close thing to such player was Taj Gibson who was effective scorer around the rim, too bad he did not pass the ball much, was not an athlete he used to be, and could not play rim runner. Someone like Obi Toppin could definitely benefit from playing with Towns.

[shrink]

The Mavs waived KAT’s buddy, Willie Cayley-Stein.

Would you pick him up, or stick with Nathan Knight?