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Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick?

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Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick?

Okafor
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Towns
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#121 » by No-Man » Wed May 20, 2015 7:52 am

AQuintus wrote:Towns. The Wolves desperately need a defensive anchor and rim protector, and with how much Wiggins and Shabazz post up, having a Big that spreads the floor would be huge.

You are right on the offensive side part, Towns is a better fit.
Towns is not going to be a defensive anchor nor a rim protector in the NBA, he will be an adequate defender that will struggle one on one on post defense though.
But, teams that just won 1 games CANT go with fit, they should with BPA, Okafor is clearly that guy.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#122 » by No-Man » Wed May 20, 2015 7:55 am

Luciferswings wrote:To the people who are leaning Okafor, let me ask you this. Who is the archetype for Okafor? What player in the recent past is a model for him to succeed as a star in this league?

Marc Gasol, but been a much better finisher around the hoop, a better overall athlete, and a stronger, more powerful player offensively.
A mix between Gasol and Cousins anyway, Okafor is better than both offensively though.
You can compare him to a slightly less athletic Duncan too.

Towns is going to pan out unless he gets injured, he could with his body type, top heavy, slim legs, Bynum-type, but his ceiling is something like Pau Gasol/Al Horford, and while that is pretty good, I am going with the slamdunk guy if I have a 1st pick.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#123 » by Lakersteve20 » Wed May 20, 2015 7:58 am

Both are franchise centers, it's a win-win situation for MIN and LAL. Okafor defense and athleticism is underrated. Towns perimeter skills and offense is underrated. Okafor is somewhere between Duncan and Marc and Towns is comparable to Anthony Davis and Horford. There were 3 franchise players in the draft. Okafor, Towns, and Russell.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#124 » by No-Man » Wed May 20, 2015 7:58 am

Worm Guts wrote:It's a tough call for me because I know that interior defense is so important, but I think Okafor is going to score a ton.
I'm gonna wait to give a final opinion.

Okafor projects better defensively than Towns, he has real size for a Center, trunk legs with a terrific strength level and he can defend in the post from day one, he needs to work on pick&roll defense and conditioning, but he has the feet and the agility, whereas Towns has boatfeet and is kind of robotic moving, not as fluid, Marc Gasol had similar issues when he was younger, and he is what he is today.
Towns projects as a better fit offensively if Wiggins pans out, but you cant put all your eggs in Wiggins basket if you are Flip, not now at this stage when nothing is proven.
Go with the BPA, and figure that out later.
Plus Okafor is from Chitwon and his best friend is from Minneapolis, that has to be a plus, Towns is used to be on the spotlight and all that, he will probably want to go 2 to LA.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#125 » by No-Man » Wed May 20, 2015 8:00 am

FargoWolf wrote: heck he could even play the 4 next to Pek for a while if he could make a miraculous recovery from his injury issues.

no he couldnt
people seem to have the idea that Towns is somewhat a really good athlete, when him and Okafor are similar in that regard.
Towns cant play PF.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#126 » by No-Man » Wed May 20, 2015 8:03 am

Note30 wrote:My only concern with Towns are those brewer like legs of his. My only concern with Okafor is the Pek-like lateral foot movement.

That said, Flip will get us whoever works best.

Okafor have tremendous feet and agility for his size, Towns feet are worse.
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Post#127 » by No-Man » Wed May 20, 2015 8:05 am

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Note30 wrote:My only concern with Towns are those brewer like legs of his. My only concern with Okafor is the Pek-like lateral foot movement.

That said, Flip will get us whoever works best.


He's only 19. Hasn't even come close to growing into his body yet and he was playing against NBA level talent at 16.

Rubio/Wiggins/Towns would be one of the smartest trios in the NBA imo.

Towns has been training with professionals trainers since age 15-16, and the legs is something that you either have or not, improving lower body strength is really difficult.
Towns is top heavy, slow footed and with little legs, that is a difficult combo for a big.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#128 » by wolves_89 » Wed May 20, 2015 8:06 am

Mattya wrote:
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Mattya wrote:Taj, 22 for Martin and Dieng is fair. Having 22, 31, and 36 would give us some nice assets to move up even more in the draft.

With or without Martin, I like Taj + #22 for Dieng.


I'm not sure it works financially, it would be very close, but I would be even more happy to keep Martin.

To make it work financially it would probably need be Taj+#22 for Dieng+Budinger.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#129 » by packforfreedom » Wed May 20, 2015 8:22 am

don't know if already posted:

“It would be a blessing and an honor to even have a chance to play for Minnesota and be able to have the chance to play for a great organization and learn from a great mentor like Kevin Garnett,” Towns told SNY.tv at the lottery.


Asked if he was ready for the cold weather in Minnesota, Towns cracked a broad smile and said, “Of course, I’m from Jersey. We’re used to snow, we’re used to cold weather.”


http://zagsblog.com/articles/kentuckys- ... berwolves/
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#130 » by Luciferswings » Wed May 20, 2015 8:27 am

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Luciferswings wrote:To the people who are leaning Okafor, let me ask you this. Who is the archetype for Okafor? What player in the recent past is a model for him to succeed as a star in this league?

Marc Gasol, but been a much better finisher around the hoop, a better overall athlete, and a stronger, more powerful player offensively.
A mix between Gasol and Cousins anyway, Okafor is better than both offensively though.
You can compare him to a slightly less athletic Duncan too.

Towns is going to pan out unless he gets injured, he could with his body type, top heavy, slim legs, Bynum-type, but his ceiling is something like Pau Gasol/Al Horford, and while that is pretty good, I am going with the slamdunk guy if I have a 1st pick.


I dunno how good of a comparison this is. The beef with Okafor, aside from his lack of athleticism and shooting, is that he's not much of a defender. Marc Gasol just won the DPOY a few years ago. Hard to buy that comparison. As for Cousins, he's incredibly athletic, fast, etc. His problem is his mindset, not his athletic gifts. The most accurate projection for Okafor seems to be "slightly better Al Jefferson", and that's extremely worrying given where he's being drafted.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#131 » by Luciferswings » Wed May 20, 2015 8:43 am

Fischella wrote:Okafor projects better defensively than Towns, he has real size for a Center, trunk legs with a terrific strength level and he can defend in the post from day one, he needs to work on pick&roll defense and conditioning, but he has the feet and the agility, whereas Towns has boatfeet and is kind of robotic moving, not as fluid, Marc Gasol had similar issues when he was younger, and he is what he is today.
Towns projects as a better fit offensively if Wiggins pans out, but you cant put all your eggs in Wiggins basket if you are Flip, not now at this stage when nothing is proven.
Go with the BPA, and figure that out later.
Plus Okafor is from Chitwon and his best friend is from Minneapolis, that has to be a plus, Towns is used to be on the spotlight and all that, he will probably want to go 2 to LA.


And now I think you're completely off-base. So, the first thing to note is that everyone basically agrees Okafor isn't a rim protector. He's a below the rim player. So he's not an interior defender in the sense that he can patrol the paint and block shots. So what can he do? You emphasise his strong lower body, with which he can battle in the paint for position. The thing is, that's virtually a defunct skill set. How many teams run plays where the big fights for position in the low post, then gets the lob thrown to him, so he can post up and try and array of moves? Almost none. It's actually not that efficient for one thing. These days everything is a pick and roll, a movement based set, etc, with very little big man post up isolation. So his one good defensive skill, which would have been very useful in the 80's, is basically useless against most teams.

Here's how the NBA developed to where it is today:
- The NBA hates the 2004 finals, and all the low scoring games teams like the Pistons play. They get rid of handchecking. In addition, defensive 3 seconds and zone rule changes are quite recent too.
- Phoenix immediately capitalises on these rule changes, and begins ripping up the league. It takes the rest of the league the first year to adjust, but by 2006 scoring has gone crazy. The Spurs are still getting by on talent, and older systems like iso-ball/triangle aren't dead yet, but the league is changing.
- Thibs becomes assistant-coach in Boston, revolutionises defensive systems, especially with strong side D. The last vestiges of iso-ball goes to die against these Celtics. The Celtics offense sucks, and their teams are getting older, so that holds them back a little bit. Coaches start to wonder "what would happen if we used that sort of D and had a half decent offense?"; soon all teams will start adjusting and doing the same things on D. 2011 sees Thibs go to Chicago and demonstrate the defensive adjustments he made can carry over to other teams. The Heat lose the finals, with the Mavs taking advantage of Thibs adjustments, zone rules, and 3pt shooting. The importance of things like the 3 point shot, lay-up and motion offenses are increasingly emphasised. Why? Because Thibs strong side D systems can't stop it. The Heat with Lebron realise this too, and go small and adopt an increasingly high 3pt shot, motion oriented system. They win the next 2 titles.
- Spurs retool their team using motion offenses, make the WCFs in 2012, the finals in 2013, and win it all in 2014, using fancy motion offenses, and much less iso.
- 2015. The final 5 teams lead the NBA in most 3's made, and the final 4 teams rank similarly high among 3's attempted. Iso-ball is officially dead. Meanwhile the Bucks are trying a fancy way to counter it, involving switching. This may be the next revolutionary development.

In that NBA big men who roll to the rim, shoot, are fast and athletic, etc, are super valuable. That's the opposite of everything Okafor does.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#132 » by urinesane » Wed May 20, 2015 8:59 am

Fischella wrote:
urinesane wrote:
Note30 wrote:My only concern with Towns are those brewer like legs of his. My only concern with Okafor is the Pek-like lateral foot movement.

That said, Flip will get us whoever works best.


He's only 19. Hasn't even come close to growing into his body yet and he was playing against NBA level talent at 16.

Rubio/Wiggins/Towns would be one of the smartest trios in the NBA imo.

Towns has been training with professionals trainers since age 15-16, and the legs is something that you either have or not, improving lower body strength is really difficult.
Towns is top heavy, slow footed and with little legs, that is a difficult combo for a big.


Yeah, because everyone knows 19 year olds never fill out more.

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Post#133 » by Mrva » Wed May 20, 2015 9:07 am

I see that no one is mentioning Russell as a number one pick and i think that there is a great chance that he will end up as the best player from this draft. The situation reminds me of Curry/Harden, their flaws were also defense and athleticism and they ended up being legit superstars.

D'Angelo can do everything offensively, and has potential to be a solid defender. Additionally, he will be slotted between Rubio and Wiggins.
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Post#134 » by Tirion » Wed May 20, 2015 9:14 am

I'm leaning Towns, but can't be mad at Okafor either.
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Post#135 » by minimus » Wed May 20, 2015 9:28 am

MinneOOPalis wrote:
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minimus wrote:Taj+#22+Snell for Dieng + Martin?

Not Snell, but we'll take Martin if you don't want his contract.

Flip loves Martin. He isn't a throw in. Still a very productive player.


1) Martin's value is maximum because he played as main scorer without Pek, Shabazz. Once we have Shabazz, LaVine, Wiggins +KAT or JO his stats will be muc lower. That's why we should trade him now, when he is healthy.
2) LaVine is catch and shoot guy, there is a chance that he will be better shooter than Martin
3) I suspect that Flip played Martin a lot because he wanted to increase his value.
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Re: Poll: Who should the Wolves take with the #1 overall pick? 

Post#136 » by willywazza » Wed May 20, 2015 9:28 am

Towns.

He is a much better fit with the current core of this team.

Imagine a starting 5 of:

Towns
Dieng
Wiggins
LaVine
Rubio


That is a mouth-watering core of talented young players!
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Post#137 » by jade_hippo » Wed May 20, 2015 10:24 am

Mrva wrote:I see that no one is mentioning Russell as a number one pick and i think that there is a great chance that he will end up as the best player from this draft. The situation reminds me of Curry/Harden, their flaws were also defense and athleticism and they ended up being legit superstars.

D'Angelo can do everything offensively, and has potential to be a solid defender. Additionally, he will be slotted between Rubio and Wiggins.


If we didn't have Levine/Martin/Rubio and a HUGE hole defensively in the front court, Russell could easily be #1. I'd even argue that Philly could have picked him if they got #1.
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Post#138 » by Worm Guts » Wed May 20, 2015 10:25 am

I can't see anyway we pick Russell.
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Post#139 » by lobishome » Wed May 20, 2015 11:25 am

Where's the option "sincerely, I have no phuckin' idea"? :-?
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Post#140 » by Otis » Wed May 20, 2015 11:59 am

ESPN (Mike and Mike) were talking about Towns trying to force his way to LA. This (if true) would be a major red flag for me. We are looking to get a cornerstone for the franchise not a six or seven year player who runs off to Hollywood.

All this while I'm confident most players find Minny a great place and eventually come around and live there. It's not as attractive to young players. If we could work a deal with the Lakers and pick up another asset, I would draft Okafor and try to get Tyus by tading back into the first round back end. This would hopefully give me two happy players to build with Wiggy.

If all this Towns to LA is a bunch of crap, I'd draft him. But I always said I'd be happy with either so if I could get something from the Lakers and still draft Okafor, I'd do it in a heart beat.

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