Jordan McLaughlin - JMAC

[KGdaBom]

Are we allowed to discuss contract with J Mc (it's not Mac) yet? Do we have to wait until next seasons Free Agency window? If we can't talk contract with him now we should quit worrying about how we haven't signed him yet.
If we can talk contract with him now we should Git R Dun.

Who's worried about it?

And no, the free agency window hasn't opened yet. That's not until after the draft I believe.

It seems to me that many are worried about it. So we have no option to sign him to a contract now. You are certain of this. Are we allowed to talk contract with him now and sign him later? I'm guessing that's not until what's known as the legal tampering period.

[NebWolvesFan]

Are we allowed to discuss contract with J Mc (it's not Mac) yet? Do we have to wait until next seasons Free Agency window? If we can't talk contract with him now we should quit worrying about how we haven't signed him yet.
If we can talk contract with him now we should Git R Dun.

Who's worried about it?

And no, the free agency window hasn't opened yet. That's not until after the draft I believe.

It seems to me that many are worried about it. So we have no option to sign him to a contract now. You are certain of this. Are we allowed to talk contract with him now and sign him later? I'm guessing that's not until what's known as the legal tampering period.

He's on a two-way contract through next year unless a team signs him to deal. Minnesota will be able to match that deal. My guess is with the roster crunch and tax issues, they try and keep JMac on a two-way deal.

[Jedzz]

Who's worried about it?

And no, the free agency window hasn't opened yet. That's not until after the draft I believe.

It seems to me that many are worried about it. So we have no option to sign him to a contract now. You are certain of this. Are we allowed to talk contract with him now and sign him later? I'm guessing that's not until what's known as the legal tampering period.

He's on a two-way contract through next year unless a team signs him to deal. Minnesota will be able to match that deal. My guess is with the roster crunch and tax issues, they try and keep JMac on a two-way deal.

What you are saying is they are making a choice to not hand him a deal and instead hoping nobody offers him anything so they can string him along - one of the most ready to play young players they have- on another two way deal where he can only play no more than 45 days with the team and that accounts for practice days and games. So at most, he could play in 45 games and that's only if he never practices with the team. He's maybe the only player that could play well with no team practice because his BBIQ and ball skills are that honed already. But it doesn't make it the right move, not by a long shot.

If that's their plan, they should tell him and his agent to seek playing time elsewhere. He's much better than a bunch of NBA point guards playing for a lot for teams right now. Most of them couldn't hold a candle to his complete package of skills and bbiq. Some that once could who have held down longterm careers are really late in their career now and he would be perfect to take over for them too.

[Jedzz]

I noticed during the first Warriors game that JMac had a couple of stints overlapping with Steph Curry on the court.
I also noticed how great JMac was defending Curry in those moments and how badly Curry was doing in those overlaps.
I found popcornmachine to help me sort out just how well JMac was defending Curry and knocking him off his game.
http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20210125&game=MINGSW
The gameflow information is wonderful if you are looking for how well certain players impact the game while playing together, but keep in mind the site is not https yet.

These are the performances of the two players while their time on the floor overlaps twice during the game.

Overlap 1 time period. Q1 05:21 - 00:03

Curry (-5) 0-1 2FG, 0-1 3FG / 1 foul, 1 TO, 0 assist
03:07 Miss 2
02:13 Def RB
01:22 PF
01:22 TO
00:36 Miss 3

JMac (+5) 2-2 2FG / 1 TO, 1 Assist
04:52 TO
04:28 Make 2
03:57 Assist
00:50 Make 2

Notes on overlap 1
1. Wolves 8-0 run during this Overlap


Overlap 2 time period. Q3 05:34 - 00:00

Curry (-2) 1-2 2FG, 0-2 3FG / 1 RB, 0 assist
05:02 miss3
03:00 miss2
01:55 OffReb
01:52 Make2
00:13 miss3

Jmac (+5) 3-5 2FG, / 1 RB, 4 assists, 1 foul
05:20 Make 2
03:34 Assist
05:20 Make 2
03:34 Assist
03:13 Assist
02:30 miss2
02:16 Assist
01:22 PF
00:58 Make2
00:46 DefReb
00:03 miss2

Notes on Overlap 2
1. Wolves had a 7-2 run during this overlap.

Notes on Curry's Gametime w/out Jmac:
1. In 1st Q, Curry in his first stint of time (near 7mins) w/out Jmac he went for:(+16) 1-1 2FG, 2-3 3FG, 1-1 FT, 1 Ast, 1 Rb and the Warriors started with a 17-2 run and part of a 7-0 run.

2. In 4th Q, Curry in his final 4 minute stint w/out Jmac he went for:(+11) 1-2 2FG, 3-3 3FG, 4-4 FT, 1 Ast, 3 Steals and this started the Warriors final 15-5 run to blow out the Wolves.

3. JMac did have some help with Curry. I remember one specific possession 1stQ where McDaniels shut Curry down. Culver was also playing during some of JMac's time and he was helping to take away passing options with tight defense on others.

[Jedzz]

I was really hoping the Coach was going to put JMac back on the floor in the 4th when Curry came in. He did not. I was posting about this from the first quarter on within the game thread, noticing this. Do you think one of our pro level coaches/assistants during the game could notice this to take advantage of it at least in the 4th? I mean Curry should certainly be the center of their attention even if it seems they never pay attention to how great JMac plays. So one might hope that when they see Curry struggling it might ring a bell for them to ask why and how can we utilize this. In an NFL game this is when they whip out the surface pads and rewatch what just happened and at half time they figure out how to use it for the second half, or maybe on the next drive. Maybe the NBA should make an endorsement deal with Apple for Ipad use during games.

If you have the opportunity to rewatch this January 25th game, check out the stretches of time of these two overlaps and watch Curry be brought down to earth by a two way player that nobody wants to respect with a contract or consistent role yet. He's been DNP or not with team for the last few games now.

[Jedzz]

I doubt many would admit to this.

[Rookie-Mistake]

Bump.

This man needs to be talked about more.
Outplayed DLO, Ricky and any other PG that we have trotted out the past year.

Ryan talks about Culture and creating positive winning culture.. it's about time you reward competency...

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[Neeva]

He should be JmacL
Jaden is JmacD

[Rookie-Mistake]

Ok.

But in all seriousness.. he should be starting

He should be JmacL
Jaden is JmacD

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[Shaka_Zulu]

He should be starting. His ability to drive with lay-ups and floaters is super needed and efficient. Better playmaker then then DLo, and on par with Rubios defense while way better offense.

[winforlose]

He should be JmacL
Jaden is JmacD

Wouldn’t JoMac be better then Jayden could be JMAC.

As to the issue of starting, Rubio’s lack of shooting plus chemistry with KAT necessitates his starting. I am not a Rubio fan and would love to trade him away ASAP. JMAC is playing well recently and has developed a strong two man game with Reid. That said, he is not that good in the grand scheme of NBA PGs. His shooting percentage is not stellar. His defense is not stellar. His size is a problem for rebounding. I want to be clear I like JMAC or JoMac of Jordan or whatever we call him. I want him on a Naz Reid like contract under team control for years to come. But I also think it is important to be realistic about his game. Better than Rubio is a very low bar.

[RiRuHoops]

Yes I want to see him vs the starters and if he can be effective sharing the ball with Ant.

Rubio can also use more time on the ball with the bench unit, especially if Layman is back in the rotation and Okogie glued to the pine.

[Klomp]

He should be JmacL
Jaden is JmacD

JMac and Big Mac

[Calinks]

He should be JmacL
Jaden is JmacD

JMac and Big Mac

This isn't bad... I might roll with this.

[Klomp]

He should be JmacL
Jaden is JmacD

JMac and Big Mac

This isn't bad... I might roll with this.

Seen it around Twitter and I didn't mind it....keeps the original JMac's name intact and Jaden's isn't bad either.

[Jedzz]

Doesn't matter anymore.

[Jedzz]

In Knicks game, two PGs that have been doing really well for the Knicks struggled. Rose and Quickley. Using Popcorn Machine again, I checked for JMac's time lining up with these two. Rose and Quickley play together often in Thibs rotation off the bench.

In Jmac's first 4:57 of play that ends with the end of Q1 was rough, as it was for all Timberwolves during that period. Knicks players across the board got onto the scoreboard by the time the quarter was over. I think all Knicks players were at 4-5 pts all at once by then. Thibs with a healthy 10 man rotation at least these days. Rose and Quickley also doing well that Q1 stretch as positive players.

Come the second quarter start JMac owned them defensively and for the rest of the game whenever their time on court lines up, I think two more stretches end of third, and start of fourth. By games end JMac is a +5 player in a loss, he was +10 in his early 4th quarter stretch where Wolves made up 6 pts of deficit. Rose and Quickley end the game with -12 and -10 respectively in a Knicks win and together only amount to 9 points, shooting 14% as a duo.

The smallest dude on the team, maybe their best 1on1 pt guard defender.

[winforlose]

I have been thinking about the rotation this season and next and the one variable I keep getting stuck on is JMAC. His floor is end of bench, but where is his ceiling? We are seeing him facilitating at an extremely high level, but not consistently score. His speed is extremely valuable, but his lack of size makes him vulnerable to being stuffed or forced to take out of control shots to avoid the block. I thought of doing this as a poll, but I will just ask here, is JMAC a part of our future or should we try and upgrade the backup PG in the offseason? Or in the alternative should we try even harder to turn Leo into the backup PG and move on from JMAC?

[Klomp]

I have been thinking about the rotation this season and next and the one variable I keep getting stuck on is JMAC. His floor is end of bench, but where is his ceiling? We are seeing him facilitating at an extremely high level, but not consistently score. His speed is extremely valuable, but his lack of size makes him vulnerable to being stuffed or forced to take out of control shots to avoid the block. I thought of doing this as a poll, but I will just ask here, is JMAC a part of our future or should we try and upgrade the backup PG in the offseason? Or in the alternative should we try even harder to turn Leo into the backup PG and move on from JMAC?

I think it's important to keep in mind the possible outcome of upgrading the starting lineup this offseason. The first starter to drop to the second unit could very easily be Beverley, making him the backup PG upgrade.

[winforlose]

I have been thinking about the rotation this season and next and the one variable I keep getting stuck on is JMAC. His floor is end of bench, but where is his ceiling? We are seeing him facilitating at an extremely high level, but not consistently score. His speed is extremely valuable, but his lack of size makes him vulnerable to being stuffed or forced to take out of control shots to avoid the block. I thought of doing this as a poll, but I will just ask here, is JMAC a part of our future or should we try and upgrade the backup PG in the offseason? Or in the alternative should we try even harder to turn Leo into the backup PG and move on from JMAC?

I think it's important to keep in mind the possible outcome of upgrading the starting lineup this offseason. The first starter to drop to the second unit could very easily be Beverley, making him the backup PG upgrade.

Very true. This is also part of what I am struggling with in thinking of the future of the team. It also begs the question are other teams interested in JMAC? I mean he has his warts, but the Griz paid Tyus around 8x3 for a similar skill set. If there is a trade market for JMAC what is his value? He is the one piece that is so hard to game out.