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[Note30]

And rubio brings?

Interesting. You seem defensive. I don’t remember mentioning anything about Rubio in what you just quoted.

Rubio is Meh. But DLo is bleh.
Give me a pg who plays d, can shoot okaying (btw, that’s not Rubio) and can get execute a post entry pass. (I’m have Teague ptsd)

Suggs, Jalen

Does he really give you 1a vibes?

[m2002brian]

Interesting. You seem defensive. I don’t remember mentioning anything about Rubio in what you just quoted.

Rubio is Meh. But DLo is bleh.
Give me a pg who plays d, can shoot okaying (btw, that’s not Rubio) and can get execute a post entry pass. (I’m have Teague ptsd)

Suggs, Jalen

Does he really give you 1a vibes?

No. But he only needs to be 4a
But let’s puts this in the context of running QBs.
How many running QBs win titles?
Vick?
Cunningham?
Jackson?
Young?
It can happen but it took young taking a back seat to actually dropping back and putting in his receivers hands (literally).


Same thing we PGs. Put the ball in the hands of the 1A and 2A and hit shots at a decent clip, play plus defense.


How many elite PGs have won tittles since Magic?
Tony Parker maybe? I love my some prime Parker.

Chris Paul. Nope
Steve Nash. Nope
Jason Kidd. Yep (who just so happens to get compared to Suggs)
Penny Hardaway (with Shaq nonetheless). Nope

[Note30]

Suggs, Jalen

Does he really give you 1a vibes?

No. But he only needs to be 4a
But let’s puts this in the context of running QBs.

How many elite PGs have won tittles since Magic?
Tony Parker maybe? I love my some prime Parker.

Chris Paul. Nope
Steve Nash. Nope
Jason Kidd. Yep (who just so happens to get compared to Suggs)
Penny Hardaway (with Shaq nonetheless). Nope

Curry? Kyrie? Lowry? (those two were 1b's) (and they aren't exactly pass first like your 3) but yeah

2019 - Lowry?
2018 - Curry
2017 - Curry
2016 - Kyrie?
2015 - Curry
2014 - Parker

It's not impossible to win without one, but it is easier in today's day and age

I'd say a 1a / 1b level point guard is pretty important.

That being said I don't see that as a reason not to draft a PG as long as its BPA and he plays good defense

[m2002brian]

Does he really give you 1a vibes?

No. But he only needs to be 4a
But let’s puts this in the context of running QBs.

How many elite PGs have won tittles since Magic?
Tony Parker maybe? I love my some prime Parker.

Chris Paul. Nope
Steve Nash. Nope
Jason Kidd. Yep (who just so happens to get compared to Suggs)
Penny Hardaway (with Shaq nonetheless). Nope

Curry? Kyrie? Lowry? (those two were 1b's) (and they aren't exactly pass first like your 3) but yeah

2019 - Lowry?
2018 - Curry
2017 - Curry
2016 - Kyrie?
2015 - Curry
2014 - Parker

It's not impossible to win without one, but it is easier in today's day and age

I'd say a 1a / 1b level point guard is pretty important.

That being said I don't see that as a reason not to draft a PG as long as its BPA and he plays good defense

Damn. I just blanked Curry. Wow!
My bad.

But I think my point stands.
I guess I’m on the D Fisher level. Where your PG just hits shots because they are so wide open because Ant man just sucked in the whole D

[winforlose]

I watched this off of my DVR. I read through the entire thread, and you all are way to focused on the top of the ticket. This game wasn’t about Ant, KAT, or Dlo, it was about everyone else. JO had a whale of a game. He must be a Finch priority going forward. If you can salvage this kids jump shooting you can have a two way player who wins games in crunch time. I don’t know if it can be done, but if it can it MUST be done. Now, outside of those four please point to anyone who had an above average or even an average night? Rubio’s early steals and passing gave way to a train wreck second half. Go back and watch how many times he loses his man on defense. What exactly did JMAC bring to the table in this one? Big MAC (AKA MCD) was way below his average. Missing open 3s, getting torched on defense. Same can be said of Reid. Culver played just over 5 minutes, and there is a reason for that. Juancho did what he usually does and no showed. So please explain to me how Dlo, KAT, JO and Ant (whose shot selection made me very angry. I am glad they went in, but damn, don’t praise the kid for long 2s and contested 3s. If they were missing you all would be joining me in asking Finch to bench his a**. Again, glad they went in, but look at his shot chart,) are the guys who lost this one? It’s a 10 man game and we had 6 of 10 who were between below average and outright awful. Offense, defense, you name it.

We missed Beasley and Nowell big time. We need to pray Balmaro is the real deal. We need to move on from Culver, Juancho, and Layman (who didn’t even get used because he has been so consistently bad recently.) We need to get Naz and MCD going, and get some size in the offseason.

[Note30]

No. But he only needs to be 4a
But let’s puts this in the context of running QBs.

How many elite PGs have won tittles since Magic?
Tony Parker maybe? I love my some prime Parker.

Chris Paul. Nope
Steve Nash. Nope
Jason Kidd. Yep (who just so happens to get compared to Suggs)
Penny Hardaway (with Shaq nonetheless). Nope

Curry? Kyrie? Lowry? (those two were 1b's) (and they aren't exactly pass first like your 3) but yeah

2019 - Lowry?
2018 - Curry
2017 - Curry
2016 - Kyrie?
2015 - Curry
2014 - Parker

It's not impossible to win without one, but it is easier in today's day and age

I'd say a 1a / 1b level point guard is pretty important.

That being said I don't see that as a reason not to draft a PG as long as its BPA and he plays good defense

Damn. I just blanked Curry. Wow!
My bad.

But I think my point stands.
I guess I’m on the D Fisher level. Where your PG just hits shots because they are so wide open because Ant man just sucked in the whole D

I mean the Clippers are contenders and so are the Jazz, and both of them have mediocre point guards.
So yeah I get your point, its just easier to have your primary threat as a PG, its why people here love DLo (despite not seeing his flaws)

Honestly if had an upgraded Pat Bev like point guard we could hang (basically D-Fish).

I feel you.

[Note30]

I watched this off of my DVR. I read through the entire thread, and you all are way to focused on the top of the ticket. This game wasn’t about Ant, KAT, or Dlo, it was about everyone else. JO had a whale of a game. He must be a Finch priority going forward. If you can salvage this kids jump shooting you can have a two way player who wins games in crunch time. I don’t know if it can be done, but if it can it MUST be done. Now, outside of those four please point to anyone who had an above average or even an average night? Rubio’s early steals and passing gave way to a train wreck second half. Go back and watch how many times he loses his man on defense. What exactly did JMAC bring to the table in this one? Big MAC (AKA MCD) was way below his average. Missing open 3s, getting torched on defense. Same can be said of Reid. Culver played just over 5 minutes, and there is a reason for that. Juancho did what he usually does and no showed. So please explain to me how Dlo, KAT, JO and Ant (whose shot selection made me very angry. I am glad they went in, but damn, don’t praise the kid for long 2s and contested 3s. If they were missing you all would be joining me in asking Finch to bench his a**. Again, glad they went in, but look at his shot chart,) are the guys who lost this one? It’s a 10 man game and we had 6 of 10 who were between below average and outright awful. Offense, defense, you name it.

We missed Beasley and Nowell big time. We need to pray Balmaro is the real deal. We need to move on from Culver, Juancho, and Layman (who didn’t even get used because he has been so consistently bad recently.) We need to get Naz and MCD going, and get some size in the offseason.

I'm pretty sure Finch is trying to recreate Powell with Okogie.

This game wasn't about the top ticket, but that top ticket is the most important thing. Your stars have to carry on both ends of the court.

It was a layup line for C's out there. Tatum smoked everyone that guarded him. Your top players either have to be god level offensive threats or two way players. We don't have that from either.

[winforlose]

I watched this off of my DVR. I read through the entire thread, and you all are way to focused on the top of the ticket. This game wasn’t about Ant, KAT, or Dlo, it was about everyone else. JO had a whale of a game. He must be a Finch priority going forward. If you can salvage this kids jump shooting you can have a two way player who wins games in crunch time. I don’t know if it can be done, but if it can it MUST be done. Now, outside of those four please point to anyone who had an above average or even an average night? Rubio’s early steals and passing gave way to a train wreck second half. Go back and watch how many times he loses his man on defense. What exactly did JMAC bring to the table in this one? Big MAC (AKA MCD) was way below his average. Missing open 3s, getting torched on defense. Same can be said of Reid. Culver played just over 5 minutes, and there is a reason for that. Juancho did what he usually does and no showed. So please explain to me how Dlo, KAT, JO and Ant (whose shot selection made me very angry. I am glad they went in, but damn, don’t praise the kid for long 2s and contested 3s. If they were missing you all would be joining me in asking Finch to bench his a**. Again, glad they went in, but look at his shot chart,) are the guys who lost this one? It’s a 10 man game and we had 6 of 10 who were between below average and outright awful. Offense, defense, you name it.

We missed Beasley and Nowell big time. We need to pray Balmaro is the real deal. We need to move on from Culver, Juancho, and Layman (who didn’t even get used because he has been so consistently bad recently.) We need to get Naz and MCD going, and get some size in the offseason.

I'm pretty sure Finch is trying to recreate Powell with Okogie.

This game wasn't about the top ticket, but that top ticket is the most important thing. Your stars have to carry on both ends of the court.

It was a layup line for C's out there. Tatum smoked everyone that guarded him. Your top players either have to be god level offensive threats or two way players. We don't have that from either.

The four players I mentioned above were not the problem on either end. You are correct that the top of the ticket matters, but even LeBron couldn’t carry a bad team to a title, (see his early years.) The layup line was mostly our bench. Too many collapse the middle plays for easy kick outs. What went right in the first half was they missed open 3s like we missed open 3s. in the fourth they didn’t. The bench played no defense, and no you cannot blame it all on Dlo. We win that game if Juancho, JMAC, or Reid give you at least something of the bench. Not to mention Rubio and MCD being smoked on D and not contributing enough on the other end.

As for JO, he made 2 3s in this one. If he can do that consistently (fix his shot,) he is a legit 2 way.

[m2002brian]

Curry? Kyrie? Lowry? (those two were 1b's) (and they aren't exactly pass first like your 3) but yeah

2019 - Lowry?
2018 - Curry
2017 - Curry
2016 - Kyrie?
2015 - Curry
2014 - Parker

It's not impossible to win without one, but it is easier in today's day and age

I'd say a 1a / 1b level point guard is pretty important.

That being said I don't see that as a reason not to draft a PG as long as its BPA and he plays good defense

Damn. I just blanked Curry. Wow!
My bad.

But I think my point stands.
I guess I’m on the D Fisher level. Where your PG just hits shots because they are so wide open because Ant man just sucked in the whole D

I mean the Clippers are contenders and so are the Jazz, and both of them have mediocre point guards.
So yeah I get your point, its just easier to have your primary threat as a PG, its why people here love DLo (despite not seeing his flaws)

Honestly if had an upgraded Pat Bev like point guard we could hang (basically D-Fish).

I feel you.

Maybe it’s “easier” until you find your star sg.
Take Lowry. Went pretty nowhere (kg kind of nowhere) until Leonard showed up. (Albeit he’s not a sg)

Curry and his shooting is Mj levels of never happening again and still he’s nothing without Klays shooting AND Defense. (Mj without Pippen?)

[LesGrossman]

Watch on YouTube

This is getting sad

yeah Rubio was terrible in OT, especially his defense ...

[LesGrossman]

No. But he only needs to be 4a
But let’s puts this in the context of running QBs.

How many elite PGs have won tittles since Magic?
Tony Parker maybe? I love my some prime Parker.

Chris Paul. Nope
Steve Nash. Nope
Jason Kidd. Yep (who just so happens to get compared to Suggs)
Penny Hardaway (with Shaq nonetheless). Nope

Curry? Kyrie? Lowry? (those two were 1b's) (and they aren't exactly pass first like your 3) but yeah

2019 - Lowry?
2018 - Curry
2017 - Curry
2016 - Kyrie?
2015 - Curry
2014 - Parker

It's not impossible to win without one, but it is easier in today's day and age

I'd say a 1a / 1b level point guard is pretty important.

That being said I don't see that as a reason not to draft a PG as long as its BPA and he plays good defense

Damn. I just blanked Curry. Wow!
My bad.

But I think my point stands.
I guess I’m on the D Fisher level. Where your PG just hits shots because they are so wide open because Ant man just sucked in the whole D

Sorry man but thats a poor take. You are constructing a case here reaching so far i'm a bit worried. Why do we always seek for such generalizations? No big man can ever do this, no guard has ever done that. Do you realize how close Nash was to winning a title? As close as one fair bit of officiating; one Tim Duncan buzzer beating desperation three from missing, and so on. To drive to derive a genral statement from that is not okay.

Also look at Lillard. He is clearly championship material but plays on a garbage team. Has nothing to do with his position and everything with his franchise.

[LesGrossman]

To be fair, most of the -10 was when he was in with the second unit. That entire second unit was garbage. I don’t think that was so much DLo as the other four were horrid.

And that’s coming from someone who has been as down on DLo as someone could be.

That’s fair. And nothing against you personally, but how many MAX players get dominated by the other teams bench? I haven’t gone through the list personally, but I do know most max players (who actually deserve to be max players) would dominate another teams bench.

This is also an indictment against the thought he’d make a good 6th man.
We really want a 6th man who leads us to a -10 point differential?

And rubio brings?

Rubio was the only + player among the starters. Finch benched hiim like THibs did. They need a few games to understand hwo poor a decision that was. Rubio shot poorly again (1-5) but missed a grand total of four shots so actually no drama. Theres plenty of offense on this team. Aside from that he played great defense, 4 Steals resulting in Okogie fastbreaks, 7 assists (0 Turnovers), 4 rebounds. But i guess you'll need a bit more time to understand what this team needs, and what it takes to win games, not end up with great numbers in a losing effort.

[Note30]

Curry? Kyrie? Lowry? (those two were 1b's) (and they aren't exactly pass first like your 3) but yeah

2019 - Lowry?
2018 - Curry
2017 - Curry
2016 - Kyrie?
2015 - Curry
2014 - Parker

It's not impossible to win without one, but it is easier in today's day and age

I'd say a 1a / 1b level point guard is pretty important.

That being said I don't see that as a reason not to draft a PG as long as its BPA and he plays good defense

Damn. I just blanked Curry. Wow!
My bad.

But I think my point stands.
I guess I’m on the D Fisher level. Where your PG just hits shots because they are so wide open because Ant man just sucked in the whole D

Sorry man but thats a poor take. You are constructing a case here reaching so far i'm a bit worried. Why do we always seek for such generalizations? No big man can ever do this, no guard has ever done that. Do you realize how close Nash was to winning a title? As close as one fair bit of officiating; one Tim Duncan buzzer beating desperation three from missing, and so on. To drive to derive a genral statement from that is not okay.

Also look at Lillard. He is clearly championship material but plays on a garbage team. Has nothing to do with his position and everything with his franchise.

What's wrong with his take man? It's not inherently poor/bad. There are multiple ways to win championships.

[Note30]

Watch on YouTube

This is getting sad

yeah Rubio was terrible in OT, especially his defense ...

I mean... I don't think that was necessarily a shot at Rubio this game.

Seeing Ricky brick that shot hurt my heart, but that was bad. Literally could here the brick.

[Rookie-Mistake]

For some reason this loss triggered me a little..


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[Note30]

For some reason this loss triggered me a little..


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Probably because there was a lot of great play early on and then the most horrific collapse on defense ever seen?

[m2002brian]

Look I’m not a man hater. In fact I’d consider myself a lover.
Man to man I love Rubio, Ant, Towns, etc.
As far as winning basketball games I’d take Rubio over DLo. Proof is in history.
As far as wining titles neither works,AND... some around here may not like it, but Towns doesn’t seen destined for glory either.

[Rookie-Mistake]

I didn't watch until the 3rd..

I don't normally mind to much about KATs antics but boy his body language is such a poor example for the rookies.. this needs to be addressed by the coaching Dept.

For some reason this loss triggered me a little..


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Probably because there was a lot of great play early on and then the most horrific collapse on defense ever seen?

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[Calinks]

Look I’m not a man hater. In fact I’d consider myself a lover.
Man to man I love Rubio, Ant, Towns, etc.
As far as winning basketball games I’d take Rubio over DLo. Proof is in history.
As far as wining titles neither works,AND... some around here may not like it, but Towns doesn’t seen destined for glory either.

If Towns was on a good team he would be fine. People said the same about KG (can't score enough to be a winner), Love (Doesn't play defense), They got on good teams and all the sudden that stuff didn't matter. Sure KAT isn't Lebron James or Giannis, doesn't mean he can't win, he has had trash teams and not even prime Lebron is taking this iteration of Wolves to the finals, they may bot even make the playoffs.

[Nick K]

We are 6 months into our 6th rebuild in 15 years with very little practice time. Add in we're one of the youngest teams in the league so it's hard to expect more than what we're getting. It takes time people! Hey, I'm impatient too.

Kat has some faults but he is the last problem on this team. I wish we had 4 more of him.

Compared to two months ago we are a much, much better team. Things are looking up. You have to put things in perspective.

Okogie had his best game of his career last night. Don't hold your breath waiting for his next one. He is what he is.

Give us an offseason, summer league, training camp, move 3 or 4 guys and we'll have a decent shot at a playoff spot next year.

Personally, I'd rather not see us win tons of games going forward for draft pick reasons anyway. Mobley or Suggs would sure fit well here.

With the exception of drafting Culver I like the job Rosas has done overall.

Go Wolves!