Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO

[Badonkadonk]

Let's mellow with the sexual harassment speculation.

I get the situation is a bombshell, but it's kind of gross to speculate on that happening without more information. Feels pretty dirty to drag a dude with that kind of allegation with zero evidence, at least to me.

People are not instantly fired for no reason, what happened was big, what happened was bad, what happened left no other option.

But it wasn't instant and it wasn't for no reason. On the 2nd page of this thread are sources citing tension with the new owners and that it's been building for months.

I agree that the speculation is grosss.

[Wolf_Cry]

Been calling for Rosas head since last year so I'm not sad he's gone, but it's more the timing that's shocking. The dude just hired a coach and assembled a roster before the season started. At least let him see his team out and go from there. Unless, like many of you speculate and from the reports coming in- there was some big trade coming in that ownership didn't agree with.

My own personal speculation is that there was a huge package for Simmons which included multiple lightly protected first rounders (cause ya know, that's how Rosas rolls) and a few of our young guys. Ownership was willing to give Rosas one more season to prove himself, so they didn't want him to sacrifice future assets like FRP's if he wasn't going to be here beyond next year. Rosas got pissed and said I'm doing it or fire me. So they gave him thee 'ol boot.

[SO_MONEY]

Let's mellow with the sexual harassment speculation.

I get the situation is a bombshell, but it's kind of gross to speculate on that happening without more information. Feels pretty dirty to drag a dude with that kind of allegation with zero evidence, at least to me.

People are not instantly fired for no reason, what happened was big, what happened was bad, what happened left no other option.

But it wasn't instant and it wasn't for no reason. On the 2nd page of this thread are sources citing tension with the new owners and that it's been building for months.

I agree that the speculation is grosss.

And one might believe that if not for a player, who would know, being surprised. It was instant or that in a relative sense...very short investigation. It is an obvious cover story and only half of the guys are going along with it. He did something that was and is being kept under wraps and it may or may not be released, though enough people not pushing the company line have said as much, but not exactly what it was. Which brings it down to a few things. It is not exactly speculating to know he did something fairly big.

[moonpie]

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[UnFadeable21]

Timberwolves Reddit is running with the Affair story


https://www.reddit.com/r/timberwolves/comments/pteym4/****/

Sharing what I know. I've broken things here before from a source inside the building. Rosas was apparently fired for sleeping with someone in the organization and there was a formal investigation done into the matter. Again, just sharing what has been shared with me. Whether you choose to believe or not is your call

[Krapinsky]

The Team issued a short press release that (1) didn't thank Rosas (which indicates wrong doing or termination for cause rather than performance) and (2) spelled "Timberwolves" wrong with a typo. Classic.

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[SO_MONEY]

The Team issued a short press release that (1) didn't thank Rosas (which indicates wrong doing or termination for cause rather than performance) and (2) spelled "Timberwolves" wrong with a typo. Classic.

Lol.

[KGdaBom]

In financial terms...that progress you saw was just goodwill.
Goodwill is typically shown on the balance sheet as an asset but you can't actually buy anything for that crap.

Foye if you were ever anything, but negative I would give more credibility to what you post. However, your record of 100% negativity makes me tend to dismiss whatever you have to say even if it may have merit.

I am positive when there is actually reason to be positive. My soccer team pulled an amazing turnaround from deadlast at X-Mas to staying in the league and beating to top teams like Bayern Munich. I am overly positive about these guys since the new management and coaching has arrived as long as you can see everyone is buying into the team. They were even in a more toxic situation than the Timberwolves last year. At some point the whole squad refused to train. But they have (after years of missmangement) come up with the right conclusions and turned their fortune around.

Except Edwards and McDaniels there actually isn't much to be positive within the Timberwolves organization.
It's still the same old mess of an organization that will forbid its players to play in the Olympics only to be able to trade them afterwards.

I hope for you guys that things will change with the new ownership.

Except for Edwards, McDaniels, Finch, KAT, Beasley, and Russell there isn't much to be positive about. However, that is a sheetload to be positive about.

[Wolf_Cry]

Interesting. So it's nothing to do with Simmons or any other trade talks. He must've really been a dick (no pun intended) behind closed door.

[SO_MONEY]

Foye if you were ever anything, but negative I would give more credibility to what you post. However, your record of 100% negativity makes me tend to dismiss whatever you have to say even if it may have merit.

I am positive when there is actually reason to be positive. My soccer team pulled an amazing turnaround from deadlast at X-Mas to staying in the league and beating to top teams like Bayern Munich. I am overly positive about these guys since the new management and coaching has arrived as long as you can see everyone is buying into the team. They were even in a more toxic situation than the Timberwolves last year. At some point the whole squad refused to train. But they have (after years of missmangement) come up with the right conclusions and turned their fortune around.

Except Edwards and McDaniels there actually isn't much to be positive within the Timberwolves organization.
It's still the same old mess of an organization that will forbid its players to play in the Olympics only to be able to trade them afterwards.

I hope for you guys that things will change with the new ownership.

Except for Edwards, McDaniels, Finch, KAT, Beasley, and Russell there isn't much to be positive about. However, that is a sheetload to be positive about.

Reid, Nowell, Bolmaro, Vanderbilt all positives as well.

[younggunsmn]

Timberwolves Reddit is running with the Affair story


https://www.reddit.com/r/timberwolves/comments/pteym4/****/

Sharing what I know. I've broken things here before from a source inside the building. Rosas was apparently fired for sleeping with someone in the organization and there was a formal investigation done into the matter. Again, just sharing what has been shared with me. Whether you choose to believe or not is your call

J-Lo? Trophy wife Becky? Oh the Karma! Joe Dirt in the mail room?
Yeah I know its not fair to speculate, but when you're a public figure this is the price you pay when things go bad.

[moonpie]

Maybe update the thread title to note that Gupta will be interim POBO?

[younggunsmn]

Doogie said it was not trade negotiation related.

My guess from what has been said so far is that something happened that would allow them to terminate him for cause.
None of the local guys can say anything because no one will go on the record about it.
If they were planning on bringing in their own guy anyway, it's a pretty convenient excuse to save themselves a boatload of money.

Now that could be something as simple as shoving another employee or throwing a chair through a window, and as complex as harassment or even covering up harassment, to violating a company ethics policy or a clause in his contract. Banging a subordinate would definitely qualify.

Lore and Arod are technically minority owners of 20% of the team at this point in time, but they have more pull than your usual minority owners.

It's surprising, but I don't know why you all are so upset. He sucked. He will never get any respect in trade negotiations after the Russell deal. He could have had Clint Capela's 15 Rebounds and 2 blocks/game and he took the beasley and juancho poo poo platter instead. I don't know that this seriously affects our chances of ending up with SImmons, but I'm a ton less anxious that we give up way too much if he does end up here.

[younggunsmn]

Well at least we have a ready made nickname for Gupta: Trade Machine

[Mattya]

Doogie said it was not trade negotiation related.

My guess from what has been said so far is that something happened that would allow them to terminate him for cause.
None of the local guys can say anything because no one will go on the record about it.
If they were planning on bringing in their own guy anyway, it's a pretty convenient excuse to save themselves a boatload of money.

Now that could be something as simple as shoving another employee or throwing a chair through a window, and as complex as harassment or even covering up harassment, to violating a company ethics policy or a clause in his contract. Banging a subordinate would definitely qualify.

Lore and Arod are technically minority owners of 20% of the team at this point in time, but they have more pull than your usual minority owners.

It's surprising, but I don't know why you all are so upset. He sucked. He will never get any respect in trade negotiations after the Russell deal. He could have had Clint Capela's 15 Rebounds and 2 blocks/game and he took the beasley and juancho poo poo platter instead.

Beasley, Juancho and the pick used to trade back for McDaniels and Bolmaro.

[younggunsmn]

Doogie said it was not trade negotiation related.

My guess from what has been said so far is that something happened that would allow them to terminate him for cause.
None of the local guys can say anything because no one will go on the record about it.
If they were planning on bringing in their own guy anyway, it's a pretty convenient excuse to save themselves a boatload of money.

Now that could be something as simple as shoving another employee or throwing a chair through a window, and as complex as harassment or even covering up harassment, to violating a company ethics policy or a clause in his contract. Banging a subordinate would definitely qualify.

Lore and Arod are technically minority owners of 20% of the team at this point in time, but they have more pull than your usual minority owners.

It's surprising, but I don't know why you all are so upset. He sucked. He will never get any respect in trade negotiations after the Russell deal. He could have had Clint Capela's 15 Rebounds and 2 blocks/game and he took the beasley and juancho poo poo platter instead.

Beasley, Juancho and the pick used to trade back for McDaniels and Bolmaro.

I guess technically we got Beasley and Juancho for Houston's own 2020 pick, #22.
We could have kept Capela, but got Brooklyn's 2020, #17 via Atlanta and Evan Turner's expiring nstead.

[Mattya]

Doogie said it was not trade negotiation related.

My guess from what has been said so far is that something happened that would allow them to terminate him for cause.
None of the local guys can say anything because no one will go on the record about it.
If they were planning on bringing in their own guy anyway, it's a pretty convenient excuse to save themselves a boatload of money.

Now that could be something as simple as shoving another employee or throwing a chair through a window, and as complex as harassment or even covering up harassment, to violating a company ethics policy or a clause in his contract. Banging a subordinate would definitely qualify.

Lore and Arod are technically minority owners of 20% of the team at this point in time, but they have more pull than your usual minority owners.

It's surprising, but I don't know why you all are so upset. He sucked. He will never get any respect in trade negotiations after the Russell deal. He could have had Clint Capela's 15 Rebounds and 2 blocks/game and he took the beasley and juancho poo poo platter instead.

Beasley, Juancho and the pick used to trade back for McDaniels and Bolmaro.

Atlanta only gave up the one pick for Capela. The other one (17 that became 25+28+Ricky) Houston already had.

We wouldn’t have McDaniels, Bolmaro or Beasley right now if we take Capela instead.

[wolves_89]

I'm a bit shocked at the timing of the move, makes me believe there had to be an incident of some sort to prompt the change. I've thought for a while that there was a good chance Rosas wouldn't make it to the end of the season, but I still can't believe he was fired days before training camp opens.

Overall I'd rate Rosas' performance as about neutral with a chance of developing into a better rating. He's made some really good moves along with about the same number of awful moves. The jury is still out on the DLO trade and Edwards vs. Ball choice, so I thought Rosas would have at least until the trade deadline to see how things play out.

[younggunsmn]

Beasley, Juancho and the pick used to trade back for McDaniels and Bolmaro.

Atlanta only gave up the one pick for Capela. The other one (17 that became 25+28+Ricky) Houston already had.

We wouldn’t have McDaniels, Bolmaro or Beasley right now if we take Capela instead.

We would have McDaniels or Bolmaro with 22, plus pick 34 that we traded away, its feasible we could still have both with a little maneuvering.

[Mattya]

Atlanta only gave up the one pick for Capela. The other one (17 that became 25+28+Ricky) Houston already had.

We wouldn’t have McDaniels, Bolmaro or Beasley right now if we take Capela instead.

We would have McDaniels or Bolmaro with 22, plus pick 34 that we traded away, its feasible we could still have both with a little maneuvering.

I don’t care about feasible. It’s feasible if we take either at 22 then whoever was originally at 23 would have take the other.

So would I rather have Beasley, Bolmaro, and McDaniels or Capella and Bolmaro. Yea I’m going the first every day.