***The Trade Karl-Anthony Towns Thread***

[KGdaBom]

I don’t think Brodgdan has that much value though so it would have to be something like Towns/19/filler for Brogdan/Turner/indiana’s lotto pick!

Last I checked Brogdon was amazing. Did he regress this year?

[KGdaBom]

Do we want to trade KAT now after going Kobe Bryant on a good night in the 4th quarter?

[minimus]

If it’s because DLo not slashing enough, then just run the pick-n-roll with KAT and Ant and make them decide who to load up on.

It is understandable because DLo does not have quick first step, but I also wonder how smooth and fluid our offense is, when DLo move without the ball and attack the rim by using his long arms and soft touch. Maybe it is more difficult when JJJ is patrolling the paint.

The problem is that we rely heavily on Ant slashing ability because we don’t have other guys who can put pressure on the rim. Towns made a big step forward as slasher this season, but only Ant can create his own shot and finish around the rim. Finch has done an awesome job to build the highest scoring offense in NBA during regular season, but we can and we should improve.

[life_saver]

Games like last night is what makes the situation even more frustrating. Dude is so talented..just needs to play with bit more control and slightly better decision making.

[King Malta]

Games like last night should also be a reminder that we don't need to cut him out of the team like some kind of tumor.

He's not perfect, and that's why we all acknowledge that he'll never be a #1 guy on a championship team, but he doesn't need to be that here, he just needs to be the Robin to Ant's Batman.

Clearly performances like Game 3 are just unacceptable and there's a lot he needs to work on but he's not some cancerous lost cause. I think he's past the point of us needing to make roster moves to cater to him or hanging up the phone whenever someone mentions his name in trade talks, but he doesn't need to be traded.

Even with his glaring flaws he's still (likely) an all-NBA centre and an All-Star.

[m2002brian]

And so it goes. 1 good. Game makes up for 1 horrible game.
Is it too much to ask for consistency for our “best player”?

His talents were on full display last night, but his talents are not why this thread exists.
Maturity matters on if we plan to even sniff a championship.

[life_saver]

btw, I do think KAT gets way too much hate than lot other stars, not just from Wolves fans but even from NBA fans/media in general..maybe his on-court whining & complaining rubs off some people in bad way but feel like he rarely gets credit when he has a great game but everyone will be ready to pounce on him when he has a bad game. Sometimes maybe we too tend to overreact (myself included). Lot of stars have bad games in playoffs..KAT has had 2 great games so far this series, 1 poor game and 1 terrible game (mainly due to foul trouble). With the amount of attention KAT draws, it's been an ok series from him

[Baseline81]

And so it goes. 1 good. Game makes up for 1 horrible game.
Is it too much to ask for consistency for our “best player”?

His talents were on full display last night, but his talents are not why this thread exists.
Maturity matters on if we plan to even sniff a championship.

What are you on about?

You realize "star" players have bad games? Look no further than Trae Young in this year's playoffs against the Heat -- one good and three abysmal games. Do you think Atlanta fans now want him moved?

[m2002brian]

And so it goes. 1 good. Game makes up for 1 horrible game.
Is it too much to ask for consistency for our “best player”?

His talents were on full display last night, but his talents are not why this thread exists.
Maturity matters on if we plan to even sniff a championship.

What are you on about?

You realize "star" players have bad games? Look no further than Trae Young in this year's playoffs against the Heat -- one good and three abysmal games. Do you think Atlanta fans now want him moved?

Maturity aka attitude, personal accountability.

We’re not talking about stats.
Anyone can have a bad game, a bad series.
DLo has been possibly worse statistically, but still the light is on KAT for the things beyond the stat sheet. Far less heat an DLo.

KD bad series
Ja a couple low scoring games

But the heat is on KAT because:
Bad attitudes and lack of accountability are what rots teams from the inside out.

[KGdaBom]

And so it goes. 1 good. Game makes up for 1 horrible game.
Is it too much to ask for consistency for our “best player”?

His talents were on full display last night, but his talents are not why this thread exists.
Maturity matters on if we plan to even sniff a championship.

What are you on about?

You realize "star" players have bad games? Look no further than Trae Young in this year's playoffs against the Heat -- one good and three abysmal games. Do you think Atlanta fans now want him moved?

Maturity aka attitude, personal accountability.

We’re not talking about stats.
Anyone can have a bad game, a bad series.
DLo has been possibly worse statistically, but still the light is on KAT for the things beyond the stat sheet. Far less heat an DLo.

KD bad series
Ja a couple low scoring games

But the heat is on KAT because:
Bad attitudes and lack of accountability are what rots teams from the inside out.

If KAT is a cancer rotting the Wolves from the inside out maybe you should find another team to support until he's gone.

[m2002brian]

What are you on about?

You realize "star" players have bad games? Look no further than Trae Young in this year's playoffs against the Heat -- one good and three abysmal games. Do you think Atlanta fans now want him moved?

Maturity aka attitude, personal accountability.

We’re not talking about stats.
Anyone can have a bad game, a bad series.
DLo has been possibly worse statistically, but still the light is on KAT for the things beyond the stat sheet. Far less heat an DLo.

KD bad series
Ja a couple low scoring games

But the heat is on KAT because:
Bad attitudes and lack of accountability are what rots teams from the inside out.

If KAT is a cancer rotting the Wolves from the inside out maybe you should find another team to support until he's gone.

1. I’m a Wolves fan not a KAT fan.

2. Seems you don’t know the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

3. I’ve consistently said I’d love to have KAT around if he can clean up his attitude. Go get some damn therapy.

[KGdaBom]

Maturity aka attitude, personal accountability.

We’re not talking about stats.
Anyone can have a bad game, a bad series.
DLo has been possibly worse statistically, but still the light is on KAT for the things beyond the stat sheet. Far less heat an DLo.

KD bad series
Ja a couple low scoring games

But the heat is on KAT because:
Bad attitudes and lack of accountability are what rots teams from the inside out.

If KAT is a cancer rotting the Wolves from the inside out maybe you should find another team to support until he's gone.

1. I’m a Wolves fan not a KAT fan.

2. Seems you don’t know the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

3. I’ve consistently said I’d love to have KAT around if he can clean up his attitude. Go get some damn therapy.

1: I'm both a Wolves fan and a KAT fan.
2:I actually do
3: You called him a cancer that's rotting the Wolves from the inside out. I don't think you can reconcile that with your statement #3.
4: This board is my therapy.

[shrink]

My favorite thing about last game?

KAT’s critics love to call him soft. Coming off the Wolves devastating loss in Game 3, KAT was not soft.

There are plenty of reasons to be critical of KAT, and the Wolves, and be totally justified. But to me, there are even more reasons to be excited. I look at it like we have a very young team, overly emotional, in their first playoff experience. i would recommend that people take a look at Britt Robson’s article, where he was able to find optimism even right after Game 3. With Game 4 in the books, he looks pretty smart.

https://www.minnpost.com/sports/2022/04/making-sense-of-the-wolves-vexing-game-3-loss-to-the-grizzlies/

[AbeVigodaLive]

And so it goes. 1 good. Game makes up for 1 horrible game.
Is it too much to ask for consistency for our “best player”?

His talents were on full display last night, but his talents are not why this thread exists.
Maturity matters on if we plan to even sniff a championship.

What are you on about?

You realize "star" players have bad games? Look no further than Trae Young in this year's playoffs against the Heat -- one good and three abysmal games. Do you think Atlanta fans now want him moved?

Maturity aka attitude, personal accountability.

We’re not talking about stats.
Anyone can have a bad game, a bad series.
DLo has been possibly worse statistically, but still the light is on KAT for the things beyond the stat sheet. Far less heat an DLo.

KD bad series
Ja a couple low scoring games

But the heat is on KAT because:
Bad attitudes and lack of accountability are what rots teams from the inside out.

Possibly?

Towns - 21.3 ppg / 10.8 reb / 2.0 apg / 56.5% fg / 41.7% 3fg
vs.
Russell - 13.3 ppg / 3.0 reb / 7.0 apg / 30.9% fg / 37.5% 3fg

[winforlose]

KAT just makes the same stupid mistakes over and over again. His technique is sloppy at times and that leads to a quick foul which makes him angry and more likely to get another quick foul. KAT does have a maturity problem, and a tendency to make dumb mistakes. That said, he is a reliable 20/10 guy who can drop 30/10 or 30-15 on any given night. KAT cannot be a leader while fighting with his own teammates for boards, or trying to stat pad a rebound he should have let go late game and instead taking it out of bounds for a turnover. But with Bev as the leader all that is asked of KAT is to be our best player. Will he eventually grow up, I don’t know. Will he clean up his game, I don’t know that either. Is moving him the right option, probably not. Simply put KAT is one of the most consistent and efficient scorers in the NBA and his defense has improved leaps and bounds this year. If you move him to PF and let him chase guys on the perimeter, he will get in less foul trouble. Overall, KAT has room to improve and to clean up some of his common mistakes, but even if cannot he is still better than any player you could trade him for.

[Klomp]

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[KGdaBom]

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Drawing 14 fouls in a game is insane.

[King Malta]

There's a lot of hyperbole surrounding the KAT discussion IMO.

Our team has doubled it's win total from last season, is 2-2 in a series against the two seed despite an awful choke job and our flawed cornerstone (who is probably no longer the cornerstone given Ant's trajectory) made the all-star team and has a pretty good chance of being named the third team centre.

Comments about him being a cancer or rotting the team from the inside out are over the top. I honestly feel like some of the reactions are fueled somewhat by our conditioning to failure and disaster over the years; we seem like we've finally got a good thing going on and everyone is expecting it to blow up in our faces so wants drastic changes made.

If before the seasons started I offered you a 7th placed finish, a play-in win and taking the Grizzlies to 6 or 7 games I assume almost everyone on this forum would've been thrilled with that progression. If I added on the fact that KAT would achieve the afore-mentioned accolades but we'd still be talking about it being Ant's team now, I assume the reaction would've been unanimous glee.

As mentioned numerous times, KAT is far from perfect and has a tonne of warts, but he's still a very good fit next to Ant and an excellent #2 on a contending team as far as I'm concerned. He drives me crazy with his complaining, vulnerability to the double-team and 'stray voltage' too, and if he was the unequivocal cornerstone we were building around I would advocate moving on and trying something different. But he's not that guy, he just needs to be Ant's running mate. So I don't see actively turfing him to another team to be the best way forward for the construction of this roster.

[Klomp]

There's a lot of hyperbole surrounding the KAT discussion IMO.

Our team has doubled it's win total from last season, is 2-2 in a series against the two seed despite an awful choke job and our flawed cornerstone (who is probably no longer the cornerstone given Ant's trajectory) made the all-star team and has a pretty good chance of being named the third team centre.

Comments about him being a cancer or rotting the team from the inside out are over the top. I honestly feel like some of the reactions are fueled somewhat by our conditioning to failure and disaster over the years; we seem like we've finally got a good thing going on and everyone is expecting it to blow up in our faces so wants drastic changes made.

If before the seasons started I offered you a 7th placed finish, a play-in win and taking the Grizzlies to 6 or 7 games I assume almost everyone on this forum would've been thrilled with that progression. If I added on the fact that KAT would achieve the afore-mentioned accolades but we'd still be talking about it being Ant's team now, I assume the reaction would've been unanimous glee.

As mentioned numerous times, KAT is far from perfect and has a tonne of warts, but he's still a very good fit next to Ant and an excellent #2 on a contending team as far as I'm concerned. He drives me crazy with his complaining, vulnerability to the double-team and 'stray voltage' too, and if he was the unequivocal cornerstone we were building around I would advocate moving on and trying something different. But he's not that guy, he just needs to be Ant's running mate. So I don't see actively turfing him to another team to be the best way forward for the construction of this roster.

I 1000% called this way back in September, Towns not getting the credit he deserves.

I very much believe that a good 80 percent of his perception will change, simply if he starts winning games. His defense can not improve from what it is right now but if the Wolves (or whatever team he was on) wins 50 games, his stock will fly way up. In the NBA losing is extremely damaging to the perception of an individual player.

Or will Edwards be credited more for the winning?

It was a "down" season for Towns yet he still basically averaged 25/10/5.

I just want to add on to this because I think this is the reason why KAT may not get as much credit for the winning as say Edwards. If he puts up another 25/10/5 season but they win 40 games instead of 23, they'll say Towns didn't even change his game and just did what he always does. It'll be Edwards' growth (if he puts up his late rookie season numbers up over a full year) or adding Simmons to the equation that will be the reason for success.

Now, Towns has gotten a decent share of credit...but then again, he did in 2017-18 as well, while also getting reamed by Butler and in the media many nights. So has his perception changed? I'm not sure it has.

[Slim Tubby]

There's a lot of hyperbole surrounding the KAT discussion IMO.

Our team has doubled it's win total from last season, is 2-2 in a series against the two seed despite an awful choke job and our flawed cornerstone (who is probably no longer the cornerstone given Ant's trajectory) made the all-star team and has a pretty good chance of being named the third team centre.

Comments about him being a cancer or rotting the team from the inside out are over the top. I honestly feel like some of the reactions are fueled somewhat by our conditioning to failure and disaster over the years; we seem like we've finally got a good thing going on and everyone is expecting it to blow up in our faces so wants drastic changes made.

If before the seasons started I offered you a 7th placed finish, a play-in win and taking the Grizzlies to 6 or 7 games I assume almost everyone on this forum would've been thrilled with that progression. If I added on the fact that KAT would achieve the afore-mentioned accolades but we'd still be talking about it being Ant's team now, I assume the reaction would've been unanimous glee.

As mentioned numerous times, KAT is far from perfect and has a tonne of warts, but he's still a very good fit next to Ant and an excellent #2 on a contending team as far as I'm concerned. He drives me crazy with his complaining, vulnerability to the double-team and 'stray voltage' too, and if he was the unequivocal cornerstone we were building around I would advocate moving on and trying something different. But he's not that guy, he just needs to be Ant's running mate. So I don't see actively turfing him to another team to be the best way forward for the construction of this roster.

I 1000% called this way back in September, Towns not getting the credit he deserves.

I very much believe that a good 80 percent of his perception will change, simply if he starts winning games. His defense can not improve from what it is right now but if the Wolves (or whatever team he was on) wins 50 games, his stock will fly way up. In the NBA losing is extremely damaging to the perception of an individual player.

Or will Edwards be credited more for the winning?

It was a "down" season for Towns yet he still basically averaged 25/10/5.

I just want to add on to this because I think this is the reason why KAT may not get as much credit for the winning as say Edwards. If he puts up another 25/10/5 season but they win 40 games instead of 23, they'll say Towns didn't even change his game and just did what he always does. It'll be Edwards' growth (if he puts up his late rookie season numbers up over a full year) or adding Simmons to the equation that will be the reason for success.

Now, Towns has gotten a decent share of credit...but then again, he did in 2017-18 as well, while also getting reamed by Butler and in the media many nights. So has his perception changed? I'm not sure it has.

He’s so gifted that sometimes our expectations create no margin for error. Imagine waking up to that every morning.


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