2016 draft thread: Part 2

canucklife21 · Post #1201 » by **canucklife21** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 6:42 pm

Skill is looking good in workouts

firyGM · Post #1202 » by **firyGM** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 6:42 pm

Trade our 5# picks and Shazz, get 5 picks and draft Luwawu, Skal, Sabonis, Hernangomez, Zhou Qi. Probably one of them could be an All-Star lol.

canucklife21 · Post #1203 » by **canucklife21** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 6:43 pm

Worm Guts wrote:After watching a couple of videos of Skal's workouts, it's obvious that he's another Kentucky big who didn't get to fully utilize his jump shot in college. I still don't think we could consider him because he looked so soft at Kentucky, but a potential floor stretcher/rim protector is always tempting.

Could Skal be this years Myles Turner?

horaceworthy · Post #1204 » by **horaceworthy** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 6:43 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Fischella wrote:Knowing Thibs I am sure he is all in for either Bender or Dunn, if none are available thats another argument, I'd go Baldwin/Luwawu in that case

Baldwin hasn't really been talked about here, and I don't know much about him. I have noticed he has a giant wingspan (6'11) and was a 40 percent 3 point shooter. I don't know that he's on the radar though.

He's also a former high school teammate of Towns.

jpatrick · Post #1205 » by **jpatrick** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 6:56 pm

Just watched Skal's DX workout video. Loved him after the Hoops Summit but hated everything about his play at UK. However, he's going top ten, maybe higher, to someone, not us though. If he can improve his rebounding/toughness, he has some Ibaka to his game, as he he an athletic shot blocker that can stretch the floor. That combo is a unicorn in the current NBA.

Post #1206 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:05 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj34wOSl_DE[/youtube]

jpatrick · Post #1207 » by **jpatrick** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:13 pm

canucklife21 wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:After watching a couple of videos of Skal's workouts, it's obvious that he's another Kentucky big who didn't get to fully utilize his jump shot in college. I still don't think we could consider him because he looked so soft at Kentucky, but a potential floor stretcher/rim protector is always tempting.

Could Skal be this years Myles Turner?

Turner was light years more productive at TX than Skal was at Kentucky. Skal's problems are toughness and a lack of BBIQ. Those won't show up in drills. However, he was so good at the Hoops Summit game, I refuse to give up on him.

Krapinsky · Post #1208 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:22 pm

Skal has an 8'9.5" standing reach. Turner has a 9'4" reach. 6.5 inch difference there is pretty significant when talking up Skal's potential as a rim protector.

Krapinsky · Post #1209 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:26 pm

Not sure what Skal would give us that we don't already get from Dieng.

jpatrick · Post #1210 » by **jpatrick** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:29 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Skal has an 8'9.5" standing reach. Turner has a 9'4" reach. 6.5 inch difference there is pretty significant when talking up Skal's potential as a rim protector.

I don't want Skal, but you can't go by the combine's standing reach numbers. It's been reported on multiple sites that there were errors with that measurement at the combine. With Skal, he has measured at 9' or above on multiple occasions, that's probably more accurate.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241983/League-Office-Reviewing-Draft-Combine-Measurements

canucklife21 · Post #1211 » by **canucklife21** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:31 pm

Skal is definitely not worth taking at 5 however, he could easily be a impactful player in the league with the right role.

Jury still out on him but teams drafting from 8 to 14 will keep a close eye on him.

gopher wolf · Post #1212 » by **gopher wolf** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:37 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Not sure what Skal would give us that we don't already get from Dieng.

Better perimeter defense and he should be able to stretch the floor better.

Krapinsky · Post #1213 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:40 pm

jpatrick wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Skal has an 8'9.5" standing reach. Turner has a 9'4" reach. 6.5 inch difference there is pretty significant when talking up Skal's potential as a rim protector.

I don't want Skal, but you can't go by the combine's standing reach numbers. It's been reported on multiple sites that there were errors with that measurement at the combine. With Skal, he has measured at 9' or above on multiple occasions, that's probably more accurate.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241983/League-Office-Reviewing-Draft-Combine-Measurements

Hadn't heard that, but makes sense based on the low measurements across the board.

Krapinsky · Post #1214 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:41 pm

gopher wolf wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Not sure what Skal would give us that we don't already get from Dieng.

Better perimeter defense and he should be able to stretch the floor better.

I doubt both of those things.

gopher wolf · Post #1215 » by **gopher wolf** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:54 pm

jpatrick wrote:
canucklife21 wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:After watching a couple of videos of Skal's workouts, it's obvious that he's another Kentucky big who didn't get to fully utilize his jump shot in college. I still don't think we could consider him because he looked so soft at Kentucky, but a potential floor stretcher/rim protector is always tempting.

Could Skal be this years Myles Turner?

Turner was light years more productive at TX than Skal was at Kentucky. Skal's problems are toughness and a lack of BBIQ. Those won't show up in drills. However, he was so good at the Hoops Summit game, I refuse to give up on him.

Turner 22.1MPG 10.1 PPG 6.1 RPG 2.6 BPG .455FG%
Skal 15.6M PG 6.6 PPG 3.1 RPG 1.6 BPG .516FG%

In more minutes he was better but certainly not "lightyears" more productive. Anyways I think if you had to chose two players from last years draft and this years draft to compare, this one would be the most valid. In HS, both shot up out of nowhere in the recruiting rankings all the way to #2 on ESPN's rankings, both were the projected #1 picks going into college but had disappointed years and Skal is projected to go in the same range as Turner. Myles went #11 and Skal's most common projection is at #11 to the Magic.

When you go on the court, they are just as if not more similar. Both of their DX weaknesses videos are nearly identical and 3 of the 4 weaknesses listed for each were mutual: strength/tougness, offensive polish and fundamentals on D. It's a virtual copy and paste. Skal is also actually considered more mobile and a better perimeter defender so theres that.

jpatrick · Post #1216 » by **jpatrick** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 7:59 pm

If you think Turner and Skal had the same impact on their college teams, I don't know what to tell you. I watched a lot of TX that year and Kentucky last year, outside of a couple of games, Skal was never impactful. Turner on the other hand altered numerous shots and clogged the paint defensively.

Post #1217 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:22 pm

What do you think the chances are that you try to trade up to #3 to take Bender?

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1218 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:37 pm

bwgood77 wrote:What do you think the chances are that you try to trade up to #3 to take Bender?

If all it took was Shabazz I'd do it yesterday. We don't know what would Ainge want. he could be a real ass to deal with.

Post #1219 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 10:38 pm

NewWolvesOrder wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:What do you think the chances are that you try to trade up to #3 to take Bender?

If all it took was Shabazz I'd do it yesterday. We don't know what would Ainge want. he could be a real ass to deal with.

I'm sure he'd want more than that but who knows?

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1220 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Jun 7, 2016 11:03 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
NewWolvesOrder wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:What do you think the chances are that you try to trade up to #3 to take Bender?

If all it took was Shabazz I'd do it yesterday. We don't know what would Ainge want. he could be a real ass to deal with.

I'm sure he'd want more than that but who knows?

Or we could talk trade with Celts and Sixers where Celts pick Bender and trade him for Okafor and Sixers then flip Bender for Dunn and Shabazz. This way Suns don't steal Bender and have to settle for Chriss.