Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[jfg]

While I think this is just posturing, is there any precedence in the NBA, or any league for that matter where a player very publicly asked for a trade and comes back to the team?

[ifrosty13]

look on the bright side, at least you guys got rid of the user claiming sources.

[shrink]

“It seems like the deal is Jason Richardson, Bam Adebayo and a pick for Jimmy Butler.”

I seen the name Jason Richardson quite a few times on here.

Ha! That mistake is all me, and I’be been doing it for years. Longtime posters remember the, say, 20-30 times I called Al Jefferson “Al Harrington” over the six months following the Garnett trade!

Now back to the topic at hand, Josè Richardson...

[mplsfonz23]

I seen the name Jason Richardson quite a few times on here.

Well if you think you can do better than Butler good luck. If Miami doesn't land Butler, you have to hope like hell Richardson becomes a star. It looks as if you are screwed in cap space.

I do think Bam/Richardson and a pick is a bit much, but we can ask.
But Richardson HAS to be part of it or I think most here would call it a fail.

[shrink]

While I think this is just posturing, is there any precedence in the NBA, or any league for that matter where a player very publicly asked for a trade and comes back to the team?

LaMarcus Aldridge, just last year?

Or maybe not public enough?

[ifrosty13]

I seen the name Jason Richardson quite a few times on here.

Well if you think you can do better than Butler good luck. If Miami doesn't land Butler, you have to hope like hell Richardson becomes a star. It looks as if you are screwed in cap space.

I do think Bam/Richardson and a pick is a bit much, but we can ask.
But Richardson HAS to be part of it or I think most here would call it a fail.

His name is JOSH Richardson is what he meant.

[fattymcgee]

While I think this is just posturing, is there any precedence in the NBA, or any league for that matter where a player very publicly asked for a trade and comes back to the team?

Off the top of my head, Carmelo (though was eventually traded months later), Lamarcus, and Kobe.

[mplsfonz23]

I seen the name Jason Richardson quite a few times on here.

Well if you think you can do better than Butler good luck. If Miami doesn't land Butler, you have to hope like hell Richardson becomes a star. It looks as if you are screwed in cap space.

I do think Bam/Richardson and a pick is a bit much, but we can ask.
But Richardson HAS to be part of it or I think most here would call it a fail.

His name is JOSH Richardson is what he meant.

Doh!

[mplsfonz23]

There are a few more teams talking to us, but the asking price is too high.
NBA trade rumors has us talking to LA but they wont move Harris, and somehow Washington trying to give us Otto.
I hope something happens soon that doesn't have us looking like clowns.

[Mattya]

There are a few more teams talking to us, but the asking price is too high.
NBA trade rumors has us talking to LA but they wont move Harris, and somehow Washington trying to give us Otto.
I hope something happens soon that doesn't have us looking like clowns.

Can you post a source for this Porter rumor, cuz I don’t see anything about it.

[ifrosty13]

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-timberwolves-clippers-jimmy-butler-trade-discussions-202048204.html


Seems like a copy of the Miami article Woj posted. Timberwolves want so-and-so, other team isn't willing to trade that player, they've had multiple conversations, but hasn't lead anywhere because other team doesn't believe Thibs is serious about trading Butler.

Rinse. Repeat.

[mplsfonz23]

There are a few more teams talking to us, but the asking price is too high.
NBA trade rumors has us talking to LA but they wont move Harris, and somehow Washington trying to give us Otto.
I hope something happens soon that doesn't have us looking like clowns.

Can you post a source for this Porter rumor, cuz I don’t see anything about it.

Hope this works. Not too good at links. Lol

https://hoopshype.com/2018/10/05/jimmy-butler-trade-rumors-washington-wizards-otto-porter-jr/

[Macwolf527]

Two seasons ago this team was the best team to develop full of young talents, cap space, picks, no cancer in locker room. Thibs USED resources that he was given. KAT, Dieng, Bjelica, Tyus, Wiggins, LaVine, Rubio + cap space + picks. In my opinion he used them awfully bad. No visible development from coaching for KAT, Wiggins. Only Tyus got significantly better in defense, misuse of players, bad rotation. Signed players who are not ideal fit: Gibson, Teague, JC. Aldrich was a complete miss. So Thibs did not create any additional value to this franchise as for now. Chemistry is destroyed. Later it might be that KBD, Okogie will turn into stars, later it might be that Patton will be a NBA player. It might be that Butler trade will net us someone like Richardson. It means that in first three years there was no significant progress as franchise. In best case scenario after this season mess it will be Richardson + Okogie + KBD + Patton + FRP - LaVine - Dunn - Markannen - Rubio - Bjelica - cap space - 3 years of development.

It looks like Thibs is good at drafting. But he is not a scout or HC assistant. He is GM/HC, and these are two completely different jobs, and I don't see much of positive results of his activities as GM/HC

We can disagree, that's cool. You're looking for big jumps instead of steady improvement and you have to factor in all of the variable like player's choice, market rate, injuries, etc. etc. Thibs made it known that his first year was about evaluating the talent already on board, so he did not sign anyone of significance. The next year, almost every team in the league had cap space because of the television deal and the increase in the cap. Everybody signed that off season got overpaid to some degree. But that's also the seaon we saw an increase in our win total and we made the playoffs.

Now, here we are in the present. If Jimmy Butler does not request a trade, we're not even having these conversations and with an improved bench thru the draft and free agency, we looking to build on last year. This is not about Jimmy getting his money, because the Wolves would have made sure of that, this is all about Jimmy's personal preferences and whether he believes he can win here in Minnesota. Thibs can't predict another man's will or motivations, his job is too put the best team on the floor and the process was working.

[Mattya]

There are a few more teams talking to us, but the asking price is too high.
NBA trade rumors has us talking to LA but they wont move Harris, and somehow Washington trying to give us Otto.
I hope something happens soon that doesn't have us looking like clowns.

Can you post a source for this Porter rumor, cuz I don’t see anything about it.

Hope this works. Not too good at links. Lol

https://hoopshype.com/2018/10/05/jimmy-butler-trade-rumors-washington-wizards-otto-porter-jr/

It worked. Thanks!

[Loyal[]Wolf]

The Timberwolves’ brass hasn’t fully engaged the Clippers’ pitches, sources said, because it is believed that president of basketball operations/head coach Tom Thibodeau is holding out hope that he can persuade Butler to rescind his trade request. – Chris Haynes

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-timberwolves-clippers-jimmy-butler-trade-discussions-202048204.html

[twix2500]

Oladipo wasn't consider no potential all-star when Indy acquired him. He was thought of an over paid bust.

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He literally hadnt even gotten a cent other than his rookie deal when he was traded, and was only traded because an all nba type became available.


Let me guess, you think Richardson is more than a mid level role player, right? Because I think hes a completely replaceable piece already being paid his value, and I literally would prefer Josh Okogie to him considering age, potential, and salary. I dont value him as piece for an all NBA player.

It doesn't matter what you or me personally thought about him. I personally thought he still had potential. But he was widely considered on the path of a bust with a big contract. He was benched in Orlando in favor of Fornier. Magic was shopping him for a while. Oladipo was throwing signals for the Heat to look at him. He was showing up at heat games with a heat hat. OKC took him (along with a lotto pick and another player for Ibaka) hoping to rehabilitate him (just like they did the yr previously with Waiters) and it obviously wasn't working, and was considered a flop of a trade. Indy ignored the OKC offer until they finally just closed their eyes and took it, praying that a third team was a charm.

That's cool how you think of JRich. If he blows up somebody gonna say the same thing your saying about Oladipo.

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[Neeva]

Clippers should do it they need a star. They always get overshadowed by the lakers but it will be more than ever. Harris is good but not a star.

[ifrosty13]

I've come to the point where I don't think it's either the Heat or Timberwolves leaking this stuff, rather Butler's agent in hopes of getting someone to bite, or force something to happen in this stand-off between Riley and Thibodeau.

[twix2500]

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[Neeva]

I don’t really want Harris though I think id prefer sga being the centerpiece.
Gortat,sga,beverly/frp for Butler/tyus? Clippers contend for second place in west and wolves have their backcourt of the future with sga and okogie and get decent veteran starters to compete now at pg and center and can trade Teague to the suns.

I’d prefer sga over Richardson tbh.