Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Domejandro]

If we can keep Malik Beasley for the cost controlled price you are suggesting, wouldn't we want to stick with him, given our cap situation?

Speaking on the Jrue Holiday trade, I would comfortably do James Johnson, #1 (signed for salary), and filler for Jrue Holiday and #13. I really wish Malik Beasley was two inches taller, though, because Small-Forward is a problem and he earned starting next year. Trade up to nab Aaron Nesmith.

Jrue is so good. It would be nice to have him. Does he become UFA or RFA after his contract is up? I think he's worth one more max contract. I think Jrue and D'Lo would coexist nicely.

UFA, but we can offer a slightly higher max than anyone else could. I will say, I think New Orleans is pretty happy keeping him, they love him there.

[Mattya]

If we are going to trade back the minimum we should be asking for in return is a 2021 top 5 protected pick.

Boston got a top 1 protected pick from the Kings in return for dropping back two spots from 1 in the Fultz trade. Atlanta got a top 5 protected pick from the Mavs to drop back 2 spots in the Doncic trade.

So if the Hornets want Wiseman. We secure one of the two guards by selecting Wiseman for them and getting a top 5 protected pick next year in return while still drafting the players we seemingly are doing the most research on.

[KGdaBom]

If we are going to trade back the minimum we should be asking for in return is a 2021 top 5 protected pick.

Boston got a top 1 protected pick from the Kings in return for dropping back two spots from 1 in the Fultz trade. Atlanta got a top 5 protected pick from the Mavs to drop back 2 spots in the Doncic trade.

So if the Hornets want Wiseman. We secure one of the two guards by selecting Wiseman for them and getting a top 5 protected pick next year in return while still drafting the players we seemingly are doing the most research on.

That's the minimum. Or if we deal with Charlotte PJ Washington would do the trick.

[Wolveswin]

I am going to run with the theme of Wolves/Rosas being strategic with his trade(s), having a positive byproduct that makes other Western conference teams weaker — teams that are close to competing with Wolves for that 8th playoff spot.

Wolves Trade #1::
Spurs Give: Murray + Lyles
Spurs Get: Culver + J. Johnson + #17
Spurs Reasoning: might symbol rebuild, send DD or LMA East and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Trade #2::
Suns Give: Bridges + C. Johnson + #10
Suns Get: Spellman + Vanderbilt + #1
Suns Reasoning: move up in draft for GOF, who will sit and learn a lot with Rubio starting and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Lineup::
C: Towns | Reid
F: Hernangomez or C. Johnson or Lyles
F: Bridges | Layman
G: Russell | Beasley (6th man) | Okogie (some SF?)
G: Murray | Russell | McJordan
Plus #10 and #33.

Thunder Tank::
Bucks Give: Bledsoe* + DDV + Ersan + G. Hill + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala
Bucks Reasoning: all-in to make Giannis happy with wins.

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala
Thunder Get: Bledsoe* + DDV + Ersan + G. Hill + #24
Thunder Reasoning: go into rebuild around SGA and DDV.
*Bledsoe shopped to 3rd team.

Pelicans Holiday in New York::
Knicks Give: Randle + Barrett + #8 + #27
Knicks Get: Holiday + Hart + #13
Knicks Reasoning: Thibs gets his defensive vet at cost of guy he didn’t draft.

Pelicans Give: Holiday + Hart + #13
Pelicans Get: Randle + Barrett + #8 + #27
Pelicans Reasoning: Randle starts at center and Zion insurance at PF. Getting Zion’s college teammate can’t be bad.

Warriors Blockbuster::
Grizzlies Give: Clarke + Winslow + Dieng
Grizzlies Get: Wiggins + Looney + #2 + 2022 Warriors 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Warriors 1st (now unprotected)
Grizzlies Reasoning: one more high draft pick to add guard next to Morant and JJJ.

Jazz Give: Gobert
Jazz Get: Clarke + Dieng + 2021 Wolves 1st
Jazz Reasoning: get good value for expiring Gobert.

Warriors Give: Wiggins + Looney + #2 + 2021 Wolves 1st + 2022 1st (unprotected) + 2024 1st (reduced protections)
Warriors Get: Gobert + Winslow
Warriors Reasoning: all-in on defensive center and Winslow as 3D SF/PF.

2020/2021 West Playoff Race::
Lakers
Clippers
Warriors
Rockets
Nuggets
Mavericks
Blazers
Wolves

Jazz (traded Gobert to become Mitchell’s team)
Spurs (could fully dismantle by trade deadline)
Suns (trade should slow them down)
Pelicans (traded Holiday East, Zion healthy?)

Grizzlies (Wiggins on board)
Kings (should be tanking)
Thunder (now tanking)

[Klomp]

Think we could get Doumbouya from Detroit if they wanted to move up from 7 for Ball?

[KGdaBom]

Think we could get Doumbouya from Detroit if they wanted to move up from 7 for Ball?

99% sure we could, but Doumbouya by himself is far below what it would take for us to trade back from 1 to 7.

[_AIJ_]

Who would be the primary ball handler if we draft Lamelo?


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[KGdaBom]

Who would be the primary ball handler if we draft Lamelo?


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It would be LaMelo. That and rebounding well for his position are the only things he has any skill at. That is why I think he would be a huge waste of us having the #1 pick in the draft. D'Lo is a quite good ball handler himself. Let's use the pick to get us something we need like rebounding and defense. Wiseman or Okongwu.

[old school 34]

Think we could get Doumbouya from Detroit if they wanted to move up from 7 for Ball?

99% sure we could, but Doumbouya by himself is far below what it would take for us to trade back from 1 to 7.

I like Sekou a lot...but agree I'd want a future pick in that deal to drop to 7. Detroit's future pick could have real value as they could be looking at a long rebuild?

Separate note, KG...what am I missing about PJ Washington? Your love for him is obvious and while I haven't seen a ton of him...can tell he's probably most attractive piece they might have & positionally fits. But I'm perceiving you think he could really blow up more than his rookie #'s suggest? I can't argue, but interested in what you see?

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[jpatrick]

Think we could get Doumbouya from Detroit if they wanted to move up from 7 for Ball?

99% sure we could, but Doumbouya by himself is far below what it would take for us to trade back from 1 to 7.

I like Sekou a lot...but agree I'd want a future pick in that deal to drop to 7. Detroit's future pick could have real value as they could be looking at a long rebuild?

Separate note, KG...what am I missing about PJ Washington? Your love for him is obvious and while I haven't seen a ton of him...can tell he's probably most attractive piece they might have & positionally fits. But I'm perceiving you think he could really blow up more than his rookie #'s suggest? I can't argue, but interested in what you see?

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I would prefer Doumbouya over Washington. Washington is 22 and has limited athletic ability and size. He had a high floor but not a ton of upside. His ceiling is probably at best an average NBA starter.

Doumbouya was the youngest player in the NBA last year and is still only 19. The fact he got minutes and showed flashes was pretty remarkable. He has great athleticism/size and flashes a jumper, although inconsistent. Could he be the next Giannis or Siakim? Probably not but he has significant upside. His floor is pretty low but I’ll gamble on upside. You win with stars.

[shrink]

I am going to run with the theme of Wolves/Rosas being strategic with his trade(s), having a positive byproduct that makes other Western conference teams weaker — teams that are close to competing with Wolves for that 8th playoff spot.

Wolves Trade #1::
Spurs Give: Murray + Lyles
Spurs Get: Culver + J. Johnson + #17
Spurs Reasoning: might symbol rebuild, send DD or LMA East and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Trade #2::
Suns Give: Bridges + C. Johnson + #10
Suns Get: Spellman + Vanderbilt + #1
Suns Reasoning: move up in draft for GOF, who will sit and learn a lot with Rubio starting and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Lineup::
C: Towns | Reid
F: Hernangomez or C. Johnson or Lyles
F: Bridges | Layman
G: Russell | Beasley (6th man) | Okogie (some SF?)
G: Murray | Russell | McJordan
Plus #10 and #33.

I like the idea of Dijonte Murray, and I think at this stage, MIN should be looking for the types of players that are under-valued, but may have significant upside. I wouldn’t exclude any position either save center - the only caveat being that it’s nice to have minutes at a position to boost the trade value of a player we may want to deal. But overall, I think either in the draft or trade, we need talent so we should be looking for high upside players who may be about to blow up in a year or two.

Bridges may, or may not, fit that definition too, but I question if he has enough trade value on the final year of rookie scale to justify trading the #1.

Good post - fun piecing through that colossus!

[Nazrmohamed]

I am going to run with the theme of Wolves/Rosas being strategic with his trade(s), having a positive byproduct that makes other Western conference teams weaker — teams that are close to competing with Wolves for that 8th playoff spot.

Wolves Trade #1::
Spurs Give: Murray + Lyles
Spurs Get: Culver + J. Johnson + #17
Spurs Reasoning: might symbol rebuild, send DD or LMA East and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Trade #2::
Suns Give: Bridges + C. Johnson + #10
Suns Get: Spellman + Vanderbilt + #1
Suns Reasoning: move up in draft for GOF, who will sit and learn a lot with Rubio starting and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Lineup::
C: Towns | Reid
F: Hernangomez or C. Johnson or Lyles
F: Bridges | Layman
G: Russell | Beasley (6th man) | Okogie (some SF?)
G: Murray | Russell | McJordan
Plus #10 and #33.

Thunder Tank::
Bucks Give: Bledsoe* + DDV + Ersan + G. Hill + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala
Bucks Reasoning: all-in to make Giannis happy with wins.

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala
Thunder Get: Bledsoe* + DDV + Ersan + G. Hill + #24
Thunder Reasoning: go into rebuild around SGA and DDV.
*Bledsoe shopped to 3rd team.

Pelicans Holiday in New York::
Knicks Give: Randle + Barrett + #8 + #27
Knicks Get: Holiday + Hart + #13
Knicks Reasoning: Thibs gets his defensive vet at cost of guy he didn’t draft.

Pelicans Give: Holiday + Hart + #13
Pelicans Get: Randle + Barrett + #8 + #27
Pelicans Reasoning: Randle starts at center and Zion insurance at PF. Getting Zion’s college teammate can’t be bad.

Warriors Blockbuster::
Grizzlies Give: Clarke + Winslow + Dieng
Grizzlies Get: Wiggins + Looney + #2 + 2022 Warriors 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Warriors 1st (now unprotected)
Grizzlies Reasoning: one more high draft pick to add guard next to Morant and JJJ.

Jazz Give: Gobert
Jazz Get: Clarke + Dieng + 2021 Wolves 1st
Jazz Reasoning: get good value for expiring Gobert.

Warriors Give: Wiggins + Looney + #2 + 2021 Wolves 1st + 2022 1st (unprotected) + 2024 1st (reduced protections)
Warriors Get: Gobert + Winslow
Warriors Reasoning: all-in on defensive center and Winslow as 3D SF/PF.

2020/2021 West Playoff Race::
Lakers
Clippers
Warriors
Rockets
Nuggets
Mavericks
Blazers
Wolves

Jazz (traded Gobert to become Mitchell’s team)
Spurs (could fully dismantle by trade deadline)
Suns (trade should slow them down)
Pelicans (traded Holiday East, Zion healthy?)

Grizzlies (Wiggins on board)
Kings (should be tanking)
Thunder (now tanking)

Not bad but as a knick fan its hard to do that Pelicans trade to watch Jrue come here and have absolutely nothing to work with. It's not bad but I rather keep it smaller. Something like Randle and pick 8 for Jrue and thats it.

But I originally came here to see what the Wolves fans would give up for Randle and maybe the 27th pick. Would you consider James Johnson and Jared Culver? Same with the Pelicans it gives you a starting C who could play next to KAT and still leaves your 1st pick untouched and now you've picked up 27 as well. I think Randles flaws are partly a result of being the best player on a bad team and that he plays better with better players touching it first, not to mention hes really more of a stretch 5 than a point forward.

[shrink]

But I originally came here to see what the Wolves fans would give up for Randle and maybe the 27th pick. Would you consider James Johnson and Jared Culver? Same with the Pelicans it gives you a starting C who could play next to KAT and still leaves your 1st pick untouched and now you've picked up 27 as well. I think Randles flaws are partly a result of being the best player on a bad team and that he plays better with better players touching it first, not to mention hes really more of a stretch 5 than a point forward.

Randle really isn’t a fit here.

MIN plays a 5-out system that maximizes KAT’s inside-outside game. With Towns prolific outside shooting, it forces a big man to come out and challenge him. We need credible three point threats at all five positions, but especially at the 4, so opposing coaches can’t keep a slow big man on the floor down deep, and wait for Randle (or other wolves) to drive inside.

Randle is a sub 30% three point shooter for his career, so his defenders will cheat down low. As the Wolves saw in the first half of last season with ineffective three point shooting, it hurts Towns great ability to stretch the floor, to help the team.

[TheProdigy]

99% sure we could, but Doumbouya by himself is far below what it would take for us to trade back from 1 to 7.

I like Sekou a lot...but agree I'd want a future pick in that deal to drop to 7. Detroit's future pick could have real value as they could be looking at a long rebuild?

Separate note, KG...what am I missing about PJ Washington? Your love for him is obvious and while I haven't seen a ton of him...can tell he's probably most attractive piece they might have & positionally fits. But I'm perceiving you think he could really blow up more than his rookie #'s suggest? I can't argue, but interested in what you see?

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I would prefer Doumbouya over Washington. Washington is 22 and has limited athletic ability and size. He had a high floor but not a ton of upside. His ceiling is probably at best an average NBA starter.

Doumbouya was the youngest player in the NBA last year and is still only 19. The fact he got minutes and showed flashes was pretty remarkable. He has great athleticism/size and flashes a jumper, although inconsistent. Could he be the next Giannis or Siakim? Probably not but he has significant upside. His floor is pretty low but I’ll gamble on upside. You win with stars.

I like Doumbouya quite a bit as well. In fact, before we traded up to draft Culver last year, Doumbouya and PJ Washington were the guys I wanted us to pick.

I disagree with the notion that PJ Washington's ceiling is "at best an average NBA starter". In my opinion, his ceiling is a premier 3 & D that can switch and defend multiple positions. That type of player is in high demand right now. What makes you think his ceiling is capped to an average starter? Yes he's a little older for a rookie, but in his 1st year he's already shooting 37.4% from 3. He also has a ridiculous 7'3 wingspan which obviously helps on the defensive end.

[Mattya]

I am going to run with the theme of Wolves/Rosas being strategic with his trade(s), having a positive byproduct that makes other Western conference teams weaker — teams that are close to competing with Wolves for that 8th playoff spot.

Wolves Trade #1::
Spurs Give: Murray + Lyles
Spurs Get: Culver + J. Johnson + #17
Spurs Reasoning: might symbol rebuild, send DD or LMA East and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Trade #2::
Suns Give: Bridges + C. Johnson + #10
Suns Get: Spellman + Vanderbilt + #1
Suns Reasoning: move up in draft for GOF, who will sit and learn a lot with Rubio starting and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Lineup::
C: Towns | Reid
F: Hernangomez or C. Johnson or Lyles
F: Bridges | Layman
G: Russell | Beasley (6th man) | Okogie (some SF?)
G: Murray | Russell | McJordan
Plus #10 and #33.

Thunder Tank::
Bucks Give: Bledsoe* + DDV + Ersan + G. Hill + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala
Bucks Reasoning: all-in to make Giannis happy with wins.

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala
Thunder Get: Bledsoe* + DDV + Ersan + G. Hill + #24
Thunder Reasoning: go into rebuild around SGA and DDV.
*Bledsoe shopped to 3rd team.

Pelicans Holiday in New York::
Knicks Give: Randle + Barrett + #8 + #27
Knicks Get: Holiday + Hart + #13
Knicks Reasoning: Thibs gets his defensive vet at cost of guy he didn’t draft.

Pelicans Give: Holiday + Hart + #13
Pelicans Get: Randle + Barrett + #8 + #27
Pelicans Reasoning: Randle starts at center and Zion insurance at PF. Getting Zion’s college teammate can’t be bad.

Warriors Blockbuster::
Grizzlies Give: Clarke + Winslow + Dieng
Grizzlies Get: Wiggins + Looney + #2 + 2022 Warriors 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Warriors 1st (now unprotected)
Grizzlies Reasoning: one more high draft pick to add guard next to Morant and JJJ.

Jazz Give: Gobert
Jazz Get: Clarke + Dieng + 2021 Wolves 1st
Jazz Reasoning: get good value for expiring Gobert.

Warriors Give: Wiggins + Looney + #2 + 2021 Wolves 1st + 2022 1st (unprotected) + 2024 1st (reduced protections)
Warriors Get: Gobert + Winslow
Warriors Reasoning: all-in on defensive center and Winslow as 3D SF/PF.

2020/2021 West Playoff Race::
Lakers
Clippers
Warriors
Rockets
Nuggets
Mavericks
Blazers
Wolves

Jazz (traded Gobert to become Mitchell’s team)
Spurs (could fully dismantle by trade deadline)
Suns (trade should slow them down)
Pelicans (traded Holiday East, Zion healthy?)

Grizzlies (Wiggins on board)
Kings (should be tanking)
Thunder (now tanking)

Not bad but as a knick fan its hard to do that Pelicans trade to watch Jrue come here and have absolutely nothing to work with. It's not bad but I rather keep it smaller. Something like Randle and pick 8 for Jrue and thats it.

But I originally came here to see what the Wolves fans would give up for Randle and maybe the 27th pick. Would you consider James Johnson and Jared Culver? Same with the Pelicans it gives you a starting C who could play next to KAT and still leaves your 1st pick untouched and now you've picked up 27 as well. I think Randles flaws are partly a result of being the best player on a bad team and that he plays better with better players touching it first, not to mention hes really more of a stretch 5 than a point forward.

I can’t imagine that Randle has more than neutral value at this point. I could see a team trading an expiring and a late second rounder. We need someone who maximizes KAT more than we need KAT to maximize a player the caliber of Randle. He doesn’t shoot or defend and about the only good thing from the Randle and KAT pairing is the space it gives Randle to drive.

[Jedzz]

sigh
reading all these trades all centered around adding more guards.

[GopherIt!]

Can you elaborate on this rumour? I haven't seen it mentioned before.

I'm guessing something like Atlanta gets 8+27 from NY, we get 6 and a future pick from you/NY respectively and NY lands the 1?

Let me see if I understand you correctly. Atlanta would be giving up 6 and a future #1 to get 8 and 27? Sounds like Atlanta is getting totally hosed if they're including a future #1 that is likely to be better than the 27 pick they got for trading back from 6 to 8.

No.
Atlanta trades #6 to NYK for #8 and #27.
NYK then trade #6 and Dallas 2021 1st to Minny for #1. Minny prefers the NYK 2021 1st in lieu of the Dallas 1st.

thats terrible for MN.

[KGdaBom]

Think we could get Doumbouya from Detroit if they wanted to move up from 7 for Ball?

99% sure we could, but Doumbouya by himself is far below what it would take for us to trade back from 1 to 7.

I like Sekou a lot...but agree I'd want a future pick in that deal to drop to 7. Detroit's future pick could have real value as they could be looking at a long rebuild?

Separate note, KG...what am I missing about PJ Washington? Your love for him is obvious and while I haven't seen a ton of him...can tell he's probably most attractive piece they might have & positionally fits. But I'm perceiving you think he could really blow up more than his rookie #'s suggest? I can't argue, but interested in what you see?

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I could swear I replied to this already, but if I did it's gone. Washington is a full sized SF that can shoot 3s and defend. As for Doumbouya I just don't see it. He showed nothing his rookie year that I saw as encouraging. I think he's a wing and a prayer. Hoping he will turn into something he's not. So Doumbouya in deal almost irrelevant to me. Washington in deal very relevant. Obviously some people think Doumbouya has great potential.

[old school 34]

99% sure we could, but Doumbouya by himself is far below what it would take for us to trade back from 1 to 7.

I like Sekou a lot...but agree I'd want a future pick in that deal to drop to 7. Detroit's future pick could have real value as they could be looking at a long rebuild?

Separate note, KG...what am I missing about PJ Washington? Your love for him is obvious and while I haven't seen a ton of him...can tell he's probably most attractive piece they might have & positionally fits. But I'm perceiving you think he could really blow up more than his rookie #'s suggest? I can't argue, but interested in what you see?

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I could swear I replied to this already, but if I did it's gone. Washington is a full sized SF that can shoot 3s and defend. As for Doumbouya I just don't see it. He showed nothing his rookie year that I saw as encouraging. I think he's a wing and a prayer. Hoping he will turn into something he's not. So Doumbouya in deal almost irrelevant to me. Washington in deal very relevant. Obviously some people think Doumbouya has great potential.

I feel both guys had about what I expected for rookie years just by looking @ stats which could be misleading of course? I leaned more Sekou in past because of the higher upside, length, and athleticism....but not as ready as PJ for sure.

Would your opinion change on PJ if he's a 4 in our system instead? I know your preference is to play bigger than what wolves have done under Rosas...while I'd like to have a bigger 3 as well...my concern would be that PJ could play the 3 for us defensively. Not that he may not guard some 3s, but if our starting backcourt is DLo & Beasley....our 3 in most ideal situation guards the best or at minimum 2nd of the 1 thru 3 spots...from what I remember more from his college days tells me he could guard those types consistently?

Not deal breaker...but with current starters...seems like 4 is better fit?

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[NebWolvesFan]

99% sure we could, but Doumbouya by himself is far below what it would take for us to trade back from 1 to 7.

I like Sekou a lot...but agree I'd want a future pick in that deal to drop to 7. Detroit's future pick could have real value as they could be looking at a long rebuild?

Separate note, KG...what am I missing about PJ Washington? Your love for him is obvious and while I haven't seen a ton of him...can tell he's probably most attractive piece they might have & positionally fits. But I'm perceiving you think he could really blow up more than his rookie #'s suggest? I can't argue, but interested in what you see?

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I could swear I replied to this already, but if I did it's gone. Washington is a full sized SF that can shoot 3s and defend. As for Doumbouya I just don't see it. He showed nothing his rookie year that I saw as encouraging. I think he's a wing and a prayer. Hoping he will turn into something he's not. So Doumbouya in deal almost irrelevant to me. Washington in deal very relevant. Obviously some people think Doumbouya has great potential.

The thing about the PJ Washington deal is that if you make that deal, you could still make a deal for Doumbouya if you wanted. Charlotte is most likely moving up to get Wiseman from GS. GS isn't taking Ball. He's available for Minnesota to trade down again. If you trade all the way down to seven, you probably can't trade down again. In the three-person draft, trading from 1-3 has serious advantages beyond PJ.