Trade Talk (Part Six)

[bluethunder0005]

Always a bad look when the worst team in the league doesn't want to trade the only tradeable people away. I get that Russell and Towns are buddies and really haven't gotten to play with each other much but Russell should be the first one out the door. Maybe could trick some team into giving us a 1st rounder back since the team is likely to lose theirs.

[Battletrigger]

Honestly think Rosas wants to see what this team is when Russell, Beasley, Edwards and Towns are all available.

Easy, a sh it.

It's laughable if Rosas can't already see a huge problem trying to play Edwards with these guys. No vision? He has to see it first? Beasley might sweep his leg if Edwards is ballhogging and jacking 20 3s at 28%.

My guess it's that Rosas knows that his time is running low and he is between praying for a miracle and that four can play together and using the excuses of covid and injuries to hold his job a little more.

Ryan was the perfect fit for Rosas, both incompetent in their jobs.

[younggunsmn]

Well Orlando basically got the same return for Gordon that we got for Covington.
Covington had a better contract than Gordon with an extra year of team control at the time of trade, but Orlando also had to eat an extra year of Gary Harris's deal compared to the expiring that we got.

Go get Lauri Markannen, sounds like he can be had for 25 cents on the dollar.
I know he's not the ideal fit next to KAT and he has his flaws (not a shotblocker or offensive rebounder), but he's been surrounded by awful center play his entire career. Time to bet on the upside and see if we can get him on a beasley-range deal in the offseason if things go well. He's 7 ft and a legit shooter on a legit sample size. Sounds like a great Finch project, developing guys like this is supposed to be his forte.

It's too bad we are giving up our 2nd this year because it would be a nice piece to offer (and further proof Rosas got absolutely spitroasted in the Russell deal). I was for a Russell for lauri+Porter expiring before the Vuc trade.

Culver probably has no value. Beasley maybe a little too much value, could also get some 2nd round picks and dump juancho+layman for expirings. Rubio = they probably balk at the 17 mil owed next year.

[Merc_Porto]

It's laughable if Rosas can't already see a huge problem trying to play Edwards with these guys. No vision? He has to see it first?

You and your vision that Edwards is the problem in that group of 4. Lol

You will likely get the next 4 years to slowly learn the lesson the hard way.

Yes. Because with the other 3 we are going to start winning by magic. They are proven winners.
Superstars... the best trio in the NBA

[NebWolvesFan]

My last prediction of a trade: Hernangomez to the Raptors for Rodney Hood. Hood's deal is up after this year, and I feel the Raptors might be the only team with interest in Hernangomez - who in his last nine games is hitting 39 percent from three. Getting off his 7 million next year will give the Wolves enough room to sign their top-3 pick and stay under the tax.

Hood was simply a throw in in the Trent for Powell trade.

[Jedzz]

You and your vision that Edwards is the problem in that group of 4. Lol

You will likely get the next 4 years to slowly learn the lesson the hard way.

Yes. Because with the other 3 we are going to start winning by magic. They are proven winners.
Superstars... the best trio in the NBA

You have to build something. This was what Rosas started and yes they can build something around that if they kept on it. They already had two Max deals in place, and a third good deal on a shooter. All three are showing capable of 40% seasons here. That's no small feat here. Adding fit around them was the move to make. Instead he drafted a good way to destroy it.

Go ahead, list all the "superstars" the team has a chance to get instead. Because I guarantee you your imaginations of Edwards are just that because sub30% uncoachable chuckers just don't qualify and stacking up Top FRPs from consecutive drafts is called total rebuilding mode and long development futures of overplaying them minutes on this franchise. Maybe a more substantial development system could have started Edwards off better, but that's not here and it was a visible risk going into it. They already seemingly locked in his bigHead. Good luck with him doing this all on his own. In the meantime he will alienate and ruin the values of others better players. Sky's the limit, but hell has none.

[NattaNerNutta]

My last prediction of a trade: Hernangomez to the Raptors for Rodney Hood. Hood's deal is up after this year, and I feel the Raptors might be the only team with interest in Hernangomez - who in his last nine games is hitting 39 percent from three. Getting off his 7 million next year will give the Wolves enough room to sign their top-3 pick and stay under the tax.

Hood was simply a throw in in the Trent for Powell trade.

What sense does it make trading for another player at the position we are most flooded at?!?

[winforlose]

My last prediction of a trade: Hernangomez to the Raptors for Rodney Hood. Hood's deal is up after this year, and I feel the Raptors might be the only team with interest in Hernangomez - who in his last nine games is hitting 39 percent from three. Getting off his 7 million next year will give the Wolves enough room to sign their top-3 pick and stay under the tax.

Hood was simply a throw in in the Trent for Powell trade.

What sense does it make trading for another player at the position we are most flooded at?!?

Salary dump. Gets out of Juancho’s contract a year earlier

[Jedzz]

My last prediction of a trade: Hernangomez to the Raptors for Rodney Hood. Hood's deal is up after this year, and I feel the Raptors might be the only team with interest in Hernangomez - who in his last nine games is hitting 39 percent from three. Getting off his 7 million next year will give the Wolves enough room to sign their top-3 pick and stay under the tax.

Hood was simply a throw in in the Trent for Powell trade.

What sense does it make trading for another player at the position we are most flooded at?!?

He's just targeting cap space when Hood expires. But that also might have been what Raptors were looking for.

[NebWolvesFan]

My last prediction of a trade: Hernangomez to the Raptors for Rodney Hood. Hood's deal is up after this year, and I feel the Raptors might be the only team with interest in Hernangomez - who in his last nine games is hitting 39 percent from three. Getting off his 7 million next year will give the Wolves enough room to sign their top-3 pick and stay under the tax.

Hood was simply a throw in in the Trent for Powell trade.

What sense does it make trading for another player at the position we are most flooded at?!?

Minnesota needs to clear space from its 21-22 payroll in order to sign potential draft picks or sign any free agents this summer. Depending on where the tax ends up, Minnesota is only 4-8 million under the tax. Getting off of a player like Hernangomez or even Culver would create 10+ million in space below the tax.

[thinktank]

Edwards is better than LaVine was in his rookie year.

LaVine is now doubling us in wins (19 wins to our 10), and the 7th leading scorer in the NBA.

Meanwhile, the Bulls just acquired Vucevic and are ready to push for the playoffs.

Edwards can at least bring us to the same point the Bulls are at, and getting to.

And that's significantly better than we are now.

[Note30]

Edwards is better than LaVine was in his rookie year.

LaVine is now doubling us in wins (19 wins to our 10), and the 7th leading scorer in the NBA.

Meanwhile, the Bulls just acquired Vucevic and are ready to push for the playoffs.

Edwards can at least bring us to the same point the Bulls are at, and getting to.

And that's significantly better than we are now.

Except if we have to wait three years for edwards Towns is gone.

[Merc_Porto]

You will likely get the next 4 years to slowly learn the lesson the hard way.

Yes. Because with the other 3 we are going to start winning by magic. They are proven winners.
Superstars... the best trio in the NBA

You have to build something. This was what Rosas started and yes they can build something around that if they kept on it. Instead he drafted a good way to destroy it.

Go ahead, list all the "superstars" the team has a chance to get instead. Because I guarantee you your imaginations of Edwards are just that because sub30% uncoachable chuckers just don't qualify. Maybe a more substantial development system could have started him off better, but that's not here and it was a visible risk going into it. They already seemingly locked in his bigHead for life. Good luck with him doing this all on his own.

Geeez. I'm not a big fan of Edwards either but he's a rookie showing some things where he can improve. With 19yo on a rookie deal

Dlo is in the league for 5 years with every stat showing you how bad he is for a basketball team trying to "build something" and on a 30M per season.

Why the hell you would chose the 25yo / 30M per season over the 19yo rookie on a rookie deal to build something in the worst team in the NBA?

Are you blind or something to call Edwards the big problem here?

[thinktank]

Edwards is better than LaVine was in his rookie year.

LaVine is now doubling us in wins (19 wins to our 10), and the 7th leading scorer in the NBA.

Meanwhile, the Bulls just acquired Vucevic and are ready to push for the playoffs.

Edwards can at least bring us to the same point the Bulls are at, and getting to.

And that's significantly better than we are now.

Except if we have to wait three years for edwards Towns is gone.

Sure. But one could argue that LaVine is better than Towns now, and the same might be said of Edwards in three years

Who scores more? LaVine, +5 points.

Who has better efficiency? LaVine, +4% TS%!!!

Whose team has more wins? LaVine, 2x more wins.

LaVine, LaVine, LaVine.

KAT is OVERRATED.

[NebWolvesFan]

Edwards is better than LaVine was in his rookie year.

LaVine is now doubling us in wins (19 wins to our 10), and the 7th leading scorer in the NBA.

Meanwhile, the Bulls just acquired Vucevic and are ready to push for the playoffs.

Edwards can at least bring us to the same point the Bulls are at, and getting to.

And that's significantly better than we are now.

Except if we have to wait three years for edwards Towns is gone.

Sure. But one could argue that LaVine is better than Towns now, and the same might be said of Edwards in three years

Who scores more? LaVine, +5 points.

Who has better efficiency? LaVine, +4% TS%!!!

Whose team has more wins? LaVine, 2x more wins.

LaVine, LaVine, LaVine.

KAT is OVERRATED.

What you're saying is correct, but you are judging LaVine's best season with Towns' injury and Covid-ridden worst.

[Note30]

Edwards is better than LaVine was in his rookie year.

LaVine is now doubling us in wins (19 wins to our 10), and the 7th leading scorer in the NBA.

Meanwhile, the Bulls just acquired Vucevic and are ready to push for the playoffs.

Edwards can at least bring us to the same point the Bulls are at, and getting to.

And that's significantly better than we are now.

Except if we have to wait three years for edwards Towns is gone.

Sure. But one could argue that LaVine is better than Towns now, and the same might be said of Edwards in three years

Who scores more? LaVine, +5 points.

Who has better efficiency? LaVine, +4% TS%!!!

Whose team has more wins? LaVine, 2x more wins.

LaVine, LaVine, LaVine.

KAT is OVERRATED.

I was comparing Edwards KAT to Zach and Vuc

Just as an aside, I never wanted to trade Zach. The Butler trade was one of the worst moves we've ever made as a franchise. Not as bad as Woggins contract or the DLo swap but pretty bad.

Markannen and LaVine on this team over Beasley and Juancho any day of the week.

But what's done is done.

I say full teardown.

[jpatrick]

Edwards is better than LaVine was in his rookie year.

LaVine is now doubling us in wins (19 wins to our 10), and the 7th leading scorer in the NBA.

Meanwhile, the Bulls just acquired Vucevic and are ready to push for the playoffs.

Edwards can at least bring us to the same point the Bulls are at, and getting to.

And that's significantly better than we are now.

Lavine’s development, like Butler, are the exception. Not the rule. If you expect your young players to have jumps like those two, you’re going to be very disappointed.

I think Edwards will put up a lot of numbers on bad teams. I just don’t think he will ever be efficient enough offensively to drive an offense. Doesn’t help he craters any semblance of a team offense. And his IQ is just bad on defense.

Will he improve? Hopefully. Will he take monumental leaps like Lavine/Butler? I have serious doubts.

Lavine would have actually been a really nice compliment to Butler. Damn. If we had only traded Wiggins instead of Lavine.

[Jedzz]

Edwards is better than LaVine was in his rookie year.

LaVine is now doubling us in wins (19 wins to our 10), and the 7th leading scorer in the NBA.

Meanwhile, the Bulls just acquired Vucevic and are ready to push for the playoffs.

Edwards can at least bring us to the same point the Bulls are at, and getting to.

And that's significantly better than we are now.

Edwards is the Wiggins that was in LaVine's way until LaVine was traded away. LaVine's body was less ready and he had less experience coming in but had more shooting ability in him and did more without the team locking him into an early role of his own like they are doing with Edwards, like they did for Wiggins.

This year I'd say LaVine made a major leap as his fluky hot and cold 3pt shooting of years leveled out at the highest he's ever shot (44%) and he started to be consistent on rebounds and assists. But he's never shown a significant issue trying to stay above 34% and targeting 40, often lingering around 38, where as Edwards has only flashed an occasional ability to get over 30%. It's a massive difference and there is no guarantee it gets better.

But if you are giving Edwards the same kind of time LaVine needed to show this, sure...who knows what Edwards will be in 7 years. I don't care about 7 years from now as there probably won't be anyone but him left standing if he's still here then.

[ChiefKeith91]

Now with Aaron Gordon to Denver, maybe JaMychal will decline his player option and we offer him a deal at like $10-12 a year. Rosas offered him contract last year but he choose Denver. He brings defense and shooting


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[Worm Guts]

Wiggins, Lavine and Edwards are all similar in that they came into the league with exceptional physical talent, but never really understood the game. Lavine was every bit as terrible as Edwards at the beginning of his career. Is Lavine the exception? Sure both in his improvement but also in his natural physical ability which Edwards also has.
Personality-wise, I always saw Wiggins as passive and Lavine as a hard worker who loved the game. I don't know that Edwards is similar to either in that respect. Edwards could succeed or fail, and I don't I'd make bet either direction.