Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

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Fultz and Wendell Carter Ок are available

[TimberKat]

Fultz and Wendell Carter Ок are available

Fultz at 17mil a year and not a good 3pt shooter may not be a good fit. Maybe after buyout. Looks like he was finally got over all the health issues last year, then something happened again this year.

[BlacJacMac]

Fultz and Wendell Carter Ок are available

I'm sure they are. Fultz is not at all in their future plans and WCJ has a very reasonable salary the next 2 years, but he's never healthy.

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I think that's about his value to certain teams, while being negative to others. If I was a young rebuilding team (Wizards playing Delon Wright for instance) would I rather kick the tires and hope Davion needs a change, or continue giving the minutes to Delon? In those scenarios, Davion's 6 million won't kill you next year, and if you are able to turn him into a solid backup pg then you got a free small win.

This is how I feel too. In fact, WAS just traded a 32 and 35 year old player for a 24 and 25 year old in a similar trade.

Here’s a similar deal with four guys that might benefit from a change of scenery

SAC GIVES: Davion Mitchell
SAC GETS: Shake Milton

WAS GIVES: Delon Wright
WAS GETS: Davion Mitchell + Wendell Moore Jr.

MIN GIVES: Shake Milton + Wendell Moore Jr
MIN GETS: Delon Wright

Why for SAC? Get off Davion Mitchell without giving up a 2nd. Rather bet on Shake at $5 than Wright at $8
Why for WAS? Trade a 31 year old to roll the dice on a couple ex-first round prospects in their 20’s
Why for MIN? Maybe Wright on a new team can outperform Shake staying here.

We’d need to sign a 0-year-experience pro-rated vet min to get back to a 14-man roster.

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MIN IN: Jalen McDaniels, Garrett Temple
TOR IN: Shake Milton, Wendell Moore Jr

Why for MIN: Trade a free agent signing who is not working out for a potential KA bench replecement for next year and 3/4 injury insurance for this year.
Get off of Moore's 2.5 mil guarantee and open a roster spot for next year.
Temple is a "break glass in case of emergency" veteran wing defende.

Why for TOR: Get off the 4.7 mil guaranteed for next year to McDaniels who is a free agent signing that is not working out well.
Take a chance on Milton, who was a good player last year and might thrive in a change of scenery.
If it doesn't work he is owed no money next year. If it does, they have a really cheap bench piece to potentially replace Gary Trent Jr.
They get a look at a former late 1st in Moore and the chance to see if a change of scenery might help, for very little investment.

Wolves also get the added bonus of bringing Jaden's brother here, and hope that helps Jaden to mature and feel at home here.

I would even throw Minott in for free and use that roster spot on a minimum PG.

I think there's a good chance we don't exericse Minott's '24 option and he is waived before free agency starts because we prefer to fill that roster spot with a veteran who can actually contribute, since we will be potentially adding 2 more draft picks.

I like it. Even if we run the risk of Jalen not improving much, he doesn’t have to be very good at all for another team to justify sliding his $4.7 into a TPE, since his young, long, wing defender prototype is so desired in the NBA right now. When Jalen signed, many were surprised his contract was so low, and at that price, they thought their team should have jumped in. For us, it’s a low bar to clear with many potential suitors. And even if he never returns to form or improves, the chance of Jalen improving Jaden in practice, even 10%, would make it all worthwhile.

Good use of our bench slots!

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Not sure any team trades for him just to buy him out. Also not sure the Rudy connection is enough to bring him to us.

Maybe the #1 seed is though.

Minutes, opportunity to play trumps everything
Wolves would be near bottom for any buyout player as roster stands now

My hope would be Chris Paul. I don’t like the guy, but he’d be a ring chaser, he’d have a big role, and his years throwing lobs to DeAndre Jordan might make us his first choice.

But I could see a role for Hayward. I think in the playoffs, we’ll run SloMo as our back up “PG” which would leave Gordon with more minutes at SF and PF. His shooting could help too, though he’d get attacked on defense all the time.

[winforlose]

Maybe the #1 seed is though.

Minutes, opportunity to play trumps everything
Wolves would be near bottom for any buyout player as roster stands now

My hope would be Chris Paul. I don’t like the guy, but he’d be a ring chaser, he’d have a big role, and his years throwing lobs to DeAndre Jordan might make us his first choice.

But I could see a role for Hayward. I think in the playoffs, we’ll run SloMo as our back up “PG” which would leave Gordon with more minutes at SF and PF. His shooting could help too, though he’d get attacked on defense all the time.

Dream scenario is both.

Conley, Ant, MCD, KAT, Rudy
CP3, NAW, Hayward, Kyle, Naz
JMAC, Minott, TBJ, Miller, ?

Trade Moore into space, trade Shake into space, sign CP3 and Hayward as buyouts and maybe use Shake’s TPE to sign someone for two years. Of course instead of trading them into space we could bundle them and trade for a player, maybe even with TBJ, depending on who we get back.

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I think it's a lock that we will get Tyus Jones for KA + pick for this season.

I had an interesting discussion about Tyus on the Trade Board last week.

My position was that Mike Conley is the main guy that Connelly would go after for next season with Bird rights. We could pay a certain trade price to get Tyus for a playoff run, but another team would pay more, because they could get the playoff run, and USE Tyus’ Bird rights to sign him to a new deal. We can’t afford to sign Conley and Tyus.

HartfordWhalers made the point that maybe that other potential buyer doesn’t exist? Most teams already have their starting PG all lined up, and almost all are better than Tyus. The 5-month rental price we’d offer would be competing with other team’s 5-month rental offers. Maybe that early 2nd would be enough, or Josh Minott.

And Tyus Bird rights aren’t valueless to us, either. What do we do if Mike decides to retire? What if he asks for a big contract? We have no leverage, since we have no one who could step into the PG1 role, and if we are over the second apron, we don’t have a CBA mechanism to find one in free agency. It’s always good business in negotiating contracts, to have other options available - it means the other person doesn’t have all the leverage.

So at this point, I still think a Tyus trade is unlikely, but lately I have been thinking it’s a possibility.

[winforlose]

I think it's a lock that we will get Tyus Jones for KA + pick for this season.

I had an interesting discussion about Tyus on the Trade Board last week.

My position was that Mike Conley is the main guy that Connelly would go after for next season with Bird rights. We could pay a certain trade price to get Tyus for a playoff run, but another team would pay more, because they could get the playoff run, and USE Tyus’ Bird rights to sign him to a new deal. We can’t afford to sign Conley and Tyus.

HartfordWhalers made the point that maybe that other potential buyer doesn’t exist? Most teams already have their starting PG all lined up, and almost all are better than Tyus. The 5-month rental price we’d offer would be competing with other team’s 5-month rental offers. Maybe that early 2nd would be enough, or Josh Minott.

And Tyus Bird rights aren’t valueless to us, either. What do we do if Mike decides to retire? What if he asks for a big contract? We have no leverage, since we have no one who could step into the PG1 role, and if we are over the second apron, we don’t have a CBA mechanism to find one in free agency. It’s always good business in negotiating contracts, to have other options available - it means the other person doesn’t have all the leverage.

So at this point, I still think a Tyus trade is unlikely, but lately I have been thinking it’s a possibility.

Anyone who signs Tyus next year is either a bad team like Washington or signing him as a backup. As far as I know we are the only contender with real interest in making him the starter of the future.

[shangrila]

I think it's a lock that we will get Tyus Jones for KA + pick for this season.

I had an interesting discussion about Tyus on the Trade Board last week.

My position was that Mike Conley is the main guy that Connelly would go after for next season with Bird rights. We could pay a certain trade price to get Tyus for a playoff run, but another team would pay more, because they could get the playoff run, and USE Tyus’ Bird rights to sign him to a new deal. We can’t afford to sign Conley and Tyus.

HartfordWhalers made the point that maybe that other potential buyer doesn’t exist? Most teams already have their starting PG all lined up, and almost all are better than Tyus. The 5-month rental price we’d offer would be competing with other team’s 5-month rental offers. Maybe that early 2nd would be enough, or Josh Minott.

And Tyus Bird rights aren’t valueless to us, either. What do we do if Mike decides to retire? What if he asks for a big contract? We have no leverage, since we have no one who could step into the PG1 role, and if we are over the second apron, we don’t have a CBA mechanism to find one in free agency. It’s always good business in negotiating contracts, to have other options available - it means the other person doesn’t have all the leverage.

So at this point, I still think a Tyus trade is unlikely, but lately I have been thinking it’s a possibility.

There's a way to match the money without using Anderson, but it requires going into the tax a decent amount this season which I know most of you are averse to.

Aside from that it won't happen. The team is having it's best season possibly ever and Anderson, for all his faults, is a key part of that. I can guarantee you they aren't moving him.

[Klomp]

So at this point, I still think a Tyus trade is unlikely, but lately I have been thinking it’s a possibility.

There's a way to match the money without using Anderson, but it requires going into the tax a decent amount this season which I know most of you are averse to.

Aside from that it won't happen. The team is having it's best season possibly ever and Anderson, for all his faults, is a key part of that. I can guarantee you they aren't moving him.

I totally understand the fears around Anderson, but I don't think they really exist inside Mayo Clinic Square or inside the Target Center home locker room.

I think Anderson is one of the two biggest embodiments of the new Timberwolves play style on the roster...along with Naz Reid. It's a "skilled big" thing, and I think the team will continue to lean into it, not shy away from it. There are other ways that Minnesota can fill the backup PG role, and I think the franchise is comfortable knowing this.

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I agree, and I also would question how badly our playoff defense would decline if we traded Anderson.

Defense is a team goal. Kyle is not the best defender on the team, but if you put him out there with Jaden, Gobert, KAT, Mike, NAW etc, you don’t create a weak spot for opponents to switch and mercilessly attack.

[Klomp]

I also would question how badly our playoff defense would decline if we traded Anderson.

Defense is a team goal. Kyle is not the best defender on the team, but if you put him out there with Jaden, Gobert, KAT, Mike, NAW etc, you don’t create a weak spot for opponents to switch and mercilessly attack.

He's also arguably our biggest weapon against zone defenses, which is something I suspect we'll see in the playoffs.

[jpatrick]

We need more shooting and some second unit playmaking. What would be the cost of Alec Burks? I think makes about 10m and is on a shooting heater at the moment. TBJ, Shake, Minott, and a couple seconds? Would allow us to keep Anderson while adding a vet that can handle a bit and shoot. Also on an expiring deal.

[Klomp]

We need more shooting and some second unit playmaking. What would be the cost of Alec Burks? I think makes about 10m and is on a shooting heater at the moment. TBJ, Shake, Minott, and a couple seconds? Would allow us to keep Anderson while adding a vet that can handle a bit and shoot. Also on an expiring deal.

Yeah I was actually on the same train of thought, even down to a potential trade offer...I think they could get an offer together without Anderson.

[KGdaBom]

We need more shooting and some second unit playmaking. What would be the cost of Alec Burks? I think makes about 10m and is on a shooting heater at the moment. TBJ, Shake, Minott, and a couple seconds? Would allow us to keep Anderson while adding a vet that can handle a bit and shoot. Also on an expiring deal.

Yeah I was actually on the same train of thought, even down to a potential trade offer...I think they could get an offer together without Anderson.

Price just went way up on Burks after his 34 point game today.

[Klomp]

We need more shooting and some second unit playmaking. What would be the cost of Alec Burks? I think makes about 10m and is on a shooting heater at the moment. TBJ, Shake, Minott, and a couple seconds? Would allow us to keep Anderson while adding a vet that can handle a bit and shoot. Also on an expiring deal.

Yeah I was actually on the same train of thought, even down to a potential trade offer...I think they could get an offer together without Anderson.

Price just went way up on Burks after his 34 point game today.

Nah, I think he's still further down the list of priorities for a lot of teams. I think he'll be under the radar.

[Neeva]

Burks has been trash most of the season. Pistons fans loathe him, he tries to do hero ball(and fails) and is all smiles after losses.

[Neeva]

How about Lonnie Walker instead?
Wolves really should have brought back Malik Beasley for the vet minimum. We know he will do nothing in playoffs but would have helped shooting wise in regular season off the bench.

[andyhop]

How about Lonnie Walker instead?
Wolves really should have brought back Malik Beasley for the vet minimum. We know he will do nothing in playoffs but would have helped shooting wise in regular season off the bench.

Don't think not signing someone who was terrible for 3 teams including the Wolves over the last few years can be counted as a mistake.