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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1241 » by Klomp » Tue Jul 2, 2019 4:52 pm

Macwolf527 wrote:Somebody mentioned the strange closeness in value of

Russell, Napier and Graham at $30.85m

to

Teague and Covington at $30.3m

No big deal there, but what I do find strange is the fact that both Teague and Covington are accompanying the Wolves summer league team to Vegas, supposedly to assist in coaching the young bucks. Now, that is very STRANGE! Can someone say, PHYSICALS & MEDICAL CLEARANCE!

I think a pick/prospect or two would have to be added from our end to even out the value. Teague makes less sense in GS than Russell does.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1242 » by shrink » Tue Jul 2, 2019 4:53 pm

Macwolf527 wrote:Somebody mentioned the strange closeness in value of

Russell, Napier and Graham at $30.85m

to

Teague and Covington at $30.3m

No big deal there, but what I do find strange is the fact that both Teague and Covington are accompanying the Wolves summer league team to Vegas, supposedly to assist in coaching the young bucks. Now, that is very STRANGE! Can someone say, PHYSICALS & MEDICAL CLEARANCE!

I hope you’re wrong, but that’s very interesting! Good post.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1243 » by Jedzz » Tue Jul 2, 2019 4:55 pm

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shrink wrote:I think a lot of fans wished for Russell, not because he was anything special, but because they think he was their only choice in Minnesota, and no good player will ever want to come here.

That’s not true. Free agents go to where there are successful franchises. The Warriors were the laughingstocks of the 90’s and 00’s, and they were the winner of the Kevin Durant sweepstakes. Who’d have thought Paul George would choose a small city in the middle of Oklahoma over hometown LA? Cold weather isn’t making Kawhi remove Toronto from consideration. LeBron returned to Cleveland because he happened to be born nearby,

The very best players on the NBA are not automatically going to big markets any more. We may have missed on Russell, and need some patience, but if the team develops under Rosas (and having KAT is a great first step), and we manage our finances better to be ready, a successful program will attract star free agents.

Worth noting....

1. George didn't initially sign with OKC in FA, he was traded there.
2. Leonard didn't initially sign with TOR in FA, he was traded there.
3. How many star players in the league were born close to Minneapolis?


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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1244 » by Worm Guts » Tue Jul 2, 2019 4:56 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:I see that as the opposite. READY as in PREPARED. Already had the trades worked out in advance. No canvassing needed.

Jon's report was made after Marc's. How can you be prepared to make a trade if you don't talk to teams about said trade? Think these GMs are mind-readers?

Can't they talk trades for players under contract? He wouldn't need to canvas last night if he had worked things out in advance. To me K was saying it was all worked out in advance and Stein was saying we were completely winging it. Klomp you are always defending the media because you are the media, but some times the media gets it wrong.


You need to canvass to make sure nothing has changed, or possibly just to buy time while Russell makes his decision. You really need to continuously talking to teams in this situation.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1245 » by Macwolf527 » Tue Jul 2, 2019 4:57 pm

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Macwolf527 wrote:Somebody mentioned the strange closeness in value of

Russell, Napier and Graham at $30.85m

to

Teague and Covington at $30.3m

No big deal there, but what I do find strange is the fact that both Teague and Covington are accompanying the Wolves summer league team to Vegas, supposedly to assist in coaching the young bucks. Now, that is very STRANGE! Can someone say, PHYSICALS & MEDICAL CLEARANCE!

I think a pick/prospect or two would have to be added from our end to even out the value. Teague makes less sense in GS than Russell does.


Perhaps as a rotational player, but not as cap filler you can move come December 15. Actually, sooner because he was not recently signed.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1246 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:19 pm

Klomp wrote:Both reports can be (and probably are) correct. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

If we were firmly ready we would not need to be canvassing. I see no way they can both be correct.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1247 » by Mattya » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:23 pm

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Klomp wrote:Both reports can be (and probably are) correct. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

If we were firmly ready we would not need to be canvassing. I see no way they can both be correct.


There are multiple conflicting reports here, that's why even Jonny K thinks something is fishy on this situation.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1248 » by Klomp » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:26 pm

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Klomp wrote:Both reports can be (and probably are) correct. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

If we were firmly ready we would not need to be canvassing. I see no way they can both be correct.

After canvassing, they became firmly ready. Not that hard.

It's like going to a restaurant. You canvas the menu looking for the best option, and when you're firmly ready you make your order.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1249 » by packforfreedom » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:35 pm

I think the Russell ship has sailed. There will be not surprising plot twist.
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Post#1250 » by DaKid » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:41 pm

packforfreedom wrote:I think the Russell ship has sailed. There will be not surprising plot twist.


I would love to say that I know what's going on...

But, it's really interesting that the only guys we are rumored to be making deals with are all from the warriors. I mean, 40% of NBA players are free agents this year and we are only interested in players from gsw? And when you add the sum of their contracts to Russell's it equals the contracts of teague and roco.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1251 » by packforfreedom » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:43 pm

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packforfreedom wrote:I think the Russell ship has sailed. There will be not surprising plot twist.


I would love to say that I know what's going on...

But, it's really interesting that the only guys we are rumored to be making deals with are all from the warriors. I mean, 40% of NBA players are free agents this year and we are only interested in players from gsw? And when you add the sum of their contracts to Russell's it equals the contracts of teague and roco.


Too much conspiracy for my taste. I really hope I'm wrong though
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1252 » by fattymcgee » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:49 pm

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Macwolf527 wrote:Somebody mentioned the strange closeness in value of

Russell, Napier and Graham at $30.85m

to

Teague and Covington at $30.3m

No big deal there, but what I do find strange is the fact that both Teague and Covington are accompanying the Wolves summer league team to Vegas, supposedly to assist in coaching the young bucks. Now, that is very STRANGE! Can someone say, PHYSICALS & MEDICAL CLEARANCE!

I think a pick/prospect or two would have to be added from our end to even out the value. Teague makes less sense in GS than Russell does.


I think Teague actually makes more sense. He replaces Klay this year and is gone when Klay comes back. Curry/Russell/Thompson at the 1/2/3 is not good defensively. Plus GS is up against the hard cap, this would give them some room when Teague expires next year.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1253 » by DaKid » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:51 pm

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packforfreedom wrote:I think the Russell ship has sailed. There will be not surprising plot twist.


I would love to say that I know what's going on...

But, it's really interesting that the only guys we are rumored to be making deals with are all from the warriors. I mean, 40% of NBA players are free agents this year and we are only interested in players from gsw? And when you add the sum of their contracts to Russell's it equals the contracts of teague and roco.


Too much conspiracy for my taste. I really hope I'm wrong though


What's being reported just doesn't add up right now. Nobody is even reporting what we are sending back in the Napier, graham deal. Bell is a restricted fa that warriors have used a lot and they don't want to match a really cheap contract? Especially when their front court is depleted? And he has interest from other teams and he comes here on a cheap deal? Mn doesn't get free agent discounts
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1254 » by DaKid » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:54 pm

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Klomp wrote:
Macwolf527 wrote:Somebody mentioned the strange closeness in value of

Russell, Napier and Graham at $30.85m

to

Teague and Covington at $30.3m

No big deal there, but what I do find strange is the fact that both Teague and Covington are accompanying the Wolves summer league team to Vegas, supposedly to assist in coaching the young bucks. Now, that is very STRANGE! Can someone say, PHYSICALS & MEDICAL CLEARANCE!

I think a pick/prospect or two would have to be added from our end to even out the value. Teague makes less sense in GS than Russell does.


I think Teague actually makes more sense. He replaces Klay this year and is gone when Klay comes back. Curry/Russell/Thompson at the 1/2/3 is not good defensively. Plus GS is up against the hard cap, this would give them some room when Teague expires next year.


The expiring deal is why it makes sense. The warriors aren't winning until Klay comes back next year. Teague's contract can be used later on for a superstar trade at the deadline or just come off the books for them.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1255 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:56 pm

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Klomp wrote:Both reports can be (and probably are) correct. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

If we were firmly ready we would not need to be canvassing. I see no way they can both be correct.

After canvassing, they became firmly ready. Not that hard.

It's like going to a restaurant. You canvas the menu looking for the best option, and when you're firmly ready you make your order.

IMO that doesn't fly. K said they were Firmly ready at the start of the meeting. Not 2 or 3 hours into the meeting. What time did Stein's tweet come out? IIRC it was at least 2 hours after the start of the meeting. I know you want them both to be correct, but it doesn't match the timelines. To me Stein was implicating that we were buffoons who went into the meeting without a solid plan. Then Russell said I'd like to join you. At that point Rosas said Oh you really want to join us. Let me make some phone calls to see if we can pay you.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1256 » by packforfreedom » Tue Jul 2, 2019 5:57 pm

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packforfreedom wrote:
DaKid wrote:
I would love to say that I know what's going on...

But, it's really interesting that the only guys we are rumored to be making deals with are all from the warriors. I mean, 40% of NBA players are free agents this year and we are only interested in players from gsw? And when you add the sum of their contracts to Russell's it equals the contracts of teague and roco.


Too much conspiracy for my taste. I really hope I'm wrong though


What's being reported just doesn't add up right now. Nobody is even reporting what we are sending back in the Napier, graham deal. Bell is a restricted fa that warriors have used a lot and they don't want to match a really cheap contract? Especially when their front court is depleted? And he has interest from other teams and he comes here on a cheap deal? Mn doesn't get free agent discounts


But why the secrecy then?
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1257 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 2, 2019 6:02 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Macwolf527 wrote:Somebody mentioned the strange closeness in value of

Russell, Napier and Graham at $30.85m

to

Teague and Covington at $30.3m

No big deal there, but what I do find strange is the fact that both Teague and Covington are accompanying the Wolves summer league team to Vegas, supposedly to assist in coaching the young bucks. Now, that is very STRANGE! Can someone say, PHYSICALS & MEDICAL CLEARANCE!

I think a pick/prospect or two would have to be added from our end to even out the value. Teague makes less sense in GS than Russell does.


I think Teague actually makes more sense. He replaces Klay this year and is gone when Klay comes back. Curry/Russell/Thompson at the 1/2/3 is not good defensively. Plus GS is up against the hard cap, this would give them some room when Teague expires next year.

The Wolves would not need to throw in a pick. Teague and RoCo are excellent compensation for Russell. RoCo meets their needs better than Russell is signed for three years at less than half Russell's price. Teague would fill in this year until Klay comes back. Then the warriors could just let him go or sign and trade him if I understand things correctly to get another asset. If the Wolves are willing to part with Covington I think the Warriors would have to be brain-dead to turn down a Teague/Covington for Russell offer.
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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1258 » by DaKid » Tue Jul 2, 2019 6:08 pm

packforfreedom wrote:
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packforfreedom wrote:
Too much conspiracy for my taste. I really hope I'm wrong though


What's being reported just doesn't add up right now. Nobody is even reporting what we are sending back in the Napier, graham deal. Bell is a restricted fa that warriors have used a lot and they don't want to match a really cheap contract? Especially when their front court is depleted? And he has interest from other teams and he comes here on a cheap deal? Mn doesn't get free agent discounts


But why the secrecy then?


I'm thinking maybe they are waiting for something. Media usually only knows something if someone wants them to know.
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Post#1259 » by SO_MONEY » Tue Jul 2, 2019 6:16 pm

DaKid wrote:
packforfreedom wrote:
DaKid wrote:
I would love to say that I know what's going on...

But, it's really interesting that the only guys we are rumored to be making deals with are all from the warriors. I mean, 40% of NBA players are free agents this year and we are only interested in players from gsw? And when you add the sum of their contracts to Russell's it equals the contracts of teague and roco.


Too much conspiracy for my taste. I really hope I'm wrong though


What's being reported just doesn't add up right now. Nobody is even reporting what we are sending back in the Napier, graham deal. Bell is a restricted fa that warriors have used a lot and they don't want to match a really cheap contract? Especially when their front court is depleted? And he has interest from other teams and he comes here on a cheap deal? Mn doesn't get free agent discounts
It adds up as far as I am concerned. Nothing seems odd to me at all. People are grasping at straws. We lost, deal with it. At least we were cut in on the deal when nearly any team could have done what we did to help facilitate.

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Re: Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell 

Post#1260 » by jscott » Tue Jul 2, 2019 6:24 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
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KGdaBom wrote:Which one wasn't saying that at all? To me that is what each of them was saying

I think you are reading into it too much and overreacting based on that.

I'm fully with Klomp on this.

Jon K posted a write-up on The Athletic yesterday about how it all went down. Rosas had trades lined up had he said he would sign with the Wolves. DLo never said yes, he decided to go with the Warriors instead. End of story.

Klomp is defending the Stein report that says we were canvassing. I am choosing to believe the K Report that we were Firmly Ready. So you are actually with me not Klomp.

Oh - ha, fair enough. Then yeah, after the Jon K report I firmly believe that we had a way to do it but that DLo never bit.

My mistake. Sorry man!

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