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[KGdaBom]

All you know how to do is lie. Do you ever have the honest conversation or is it just easier to distort the persons positions to something they never said so you can score points off of that? Name one player in the last 3 years who thrived in Finch’s half rotation set up? Name one player in the league who genuinely improved in 6-8 minutes per night with an understanding that if they make mistakes the will be benched. Minott got yanked, Dilly got yanked, TSJ got yanked. But of course being given a short leash and a poorly defined role with people you have almost never played with is stress free.

You need to stop throwing that word around. I don't think you even know what it means. What does it's a lie mean?
a. : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive. Who is Klomp trying to deceive with that comment. He's being sarcastic or using hyperbole. He's exaggerating so obviously that nobody is going to be misled.

When you use a quote that you attribute to someone else and you know they neither said it nor believe it that is a lie. When you do it for the purpose of distorting that persons view in a public forum that makes it deceptive. I am not gonna spend the time to dig through the board and find your original post, but if/when you post it again I will prove it to be dishonest as well.

You remembered that post incorrectly. First you say I was defending Klomp. Not correct. I acknowledged you had a point that he would make mischaracterizations sometimes. My defense of that would be it's just a posting style. It's a form of hyperbole, but I'd rather he didn't go to the extremes he goes to. What quote did he attribute to you that he knew you didn't say. If he did that with the "intent to deceive" he would be lying. What he does is take a stand that somebody is taking and extrapolates it out so extremely that nobody could possibly be deceived. As stated above I wish he wouldn't do that, but it doesn't bother me very much at all because I get the point he is trying to make.

[winforlose]

You need to stop throwing that word around. I don't think you even know what it means. What does it's a lie mean?
a. : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive. Who is Klomp trying to deceive with that comment. He's being sarcastic or using hyperbole. He's exaggerating so obviously that nobody is going to be misled.

When you use a quote that you attribute to someone else and you know they neither said it nor believe it that is a lie. When you do it for the purpose of distorting that persons view in a public forum that makes it deceptive. I am not gonna spend the time to dig through the board and find your original post, but if/when you post it again I will prove it to be dishonest as well.

You remembered that post incorrectly. First you say I was defending Klomp. Not correct. I acknowledged you had a point that he would make mischaracterizations sometimes. My defense of that would be it's just a posting style. It's a form of hyperbole, but I'd rather he didn't go to the extremes he goes to. What quote did he attribute to you that he knew you didn't say. If he did that with the "intent to deceive" he would be lying. What he does is take a stand that somebody is taking and extrapolates it out so extremely that nobody could possibly be deceived. As stated above I wish he wouldn't do that, but it doesn't bother me very much at all because I get the point he is trying to make.

In a public forum when you use quotation marks and sign someone else’s name that is flat out deception. Only people who have the context of reading everything will know what he was doing. Moreover, having a debate where someone distorts their opponents position constantly and responds to the extremes rather than the original is both intellectually and literally dishonest. I could exaggerate your positions to an extreme and make you sound like you are claiming things you are not, but I don’t. Doing so once or twice is unpleasant but tolerable, continually doing so moots the point of the conversation.

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[Klomp]

Name one player in the last 3 years who thrived in Finch’s half rotation set up?

I'll give you five for starters....

Anthony Edwards
Julius Randle
Karl-Anthony Towns
Donte DiVincenzo
Mike Conley

[Klomp]

"Trade away Ant and give all of his minutes to Rob! Who knows....maybe he's ready. If not, you learn by playing." -winforlose

All you know how to do is lie. Do you ever have the honest conversation or is it just easier to distort the persons positions to something they never said so you can score points off of that? Name one player in the last 3 years who thrived in Finch’s half rotation set up? Name one player in the league who genuinely improved in 6-8 minutes per night with an understanding that if they make mistakes the will be benched. Minott got yanked, Dilly got yanked, TSJ got yanked. But of course being given a short leash and a poorly defined role with people you have almost never played with is stress free.

OK, this one was intentionally a little over the edge, I'll concede.

But essentially, you are arguing that you would rather give those PF/C minutes to an unproven 19-year old (and an even less proven 18-year old) over two all-NBA players and a guy one year removed from winning Sixth Man of the Year. So pardon me for trying to make a point by mischaracterizing that you would rather give minutes to an unproven 20-year old Rob Dillingham over an all-NBA talent in Anthony Edwards.

I think you bring up a good word with the phrase "short leash" though. Have you ever tried to train a dog? You do so by starting it on a short leash. As the dog matures and improves, you lengthen the leash. If they backslide, you tighten it again and retrain until the training sticks. You don't just let the dog run free and say "they'll figure it out eventually.

[jscott]

"Trade away Ant and give all of his minutes to Rob! Who knows....maybe he's ready. If not, you learn by playing." -winforlose

All you know how to do is lie. Do you ever have the honest conversation or is it just easier to distort the persons positions to something they never said so you can score points off of that? Name one player in the last 3 years who thrived in Finch’s half rotation set up? Name one player in the league who genuinely improved in 6-8 minutes per night with an understanding that if they make mistakes the will be benched. Minott got yanked, Dilly got yanked, TSJ got yanked. But of course being given a short leash and a poorly defined role with people you have almost never played with is stress free.

OK, this one was intentionally a little over the edge, I'll concede.

But essentially, you are arguing that you would rather give those PF/C minutes to an unproven 19-year old (and an even less proven 18-year old) over two all-NBA players and a guy one year removed from winning Sixth Man of the Year. So pardon me for trying to make a point by mischaracterizing that you would rather give minutes to an unproven 20-year old Rob Dillingham over an all-NBA talent in Anthony Edwards.

I think you bring up a good word with the phrase "short leash" though. Have you ever tried to train a dog? You do so by starting it on a short leash. As the dog matures and improves, you lengthen the leash. If they backslide, you tighten it again and retrain until the training sticks. You don't just let the dog run free and say "they'll figure it out eventually.

Nah - I wouldn’t concede.

Dude is just being a jackass non-stop and not realizing that no one wants him around or gives jack **** about this clearly slanted opinion.

He’s an embarrassment to TWolves fans. We should all just put him on block and let him have this discourse with himself. Eventually he’ll get the idea.

[KGdaBom]

All you know how to do is lie. Do you ever have the honest conversation or is it just easier to distort the persons positions to something they never said so you can score points off of that? Name one player in the last 3 years who thrived in Finch’s half rotation set up? Name one player in the league who genuinely improved in 6-8 minutes per night with an understanding that if they make mistakes the will be benched. Minott got yanked, Dilly got yanked, TSJ got yanked. But of course being given a short leash and a poorly defined role with people you have almost never played with is stress free.

OK, this one was intentionally a little over the edge, I'll concede.

But essentially, you are arguing that you would rather give those PF/C minutes to an unproven 19-year old (and an even less proven 18-year old) over two all-NBA players and a guy one year removed from winning Sixth Man of the Year. So pardon me for trying to make a point by mischaracterizing that you would rather give minutes to an unproven 20-year old Rob Dillingham over an all-NBA talent in Anthony Edwards.

I think you bring up a good word with the phrase "short leash" though. Have you ever tried to train a dog? You do so by starting it on a short leash. As the dog matures and improves, you lengthen the leash. If they backslide, you tighten it again and retrain until the training sticks. You don't just let the dog run free and say "they'll figure it out eventually.

Nah - I wouldn’t concede.

Dude is just being a jackass non-stop and not realizing that no one wants him around or gives jack **** about this clearly slanted opinion.

He’s an embarrassment to TWolves fans. We should all just put him on block and let him have this discourse with himself. Eventually he’ll get the idea.

I liked W4L even though he could get like a dog with a bone regarding his theories. W4L you really need to think about what you've been doing recently. Getting a little too confrontational. Calling me a liar is one thing. I don't deserve it, but calling the very well liked Klomp a liar is going to turn the board against you. You feel wronged and I get it, but try to play nice and others I believe will play nice with you. I don't want to lose you or any of our veteran posters over personality clashes.

[winforlose]

Name one player in the last 3 years who thrived in Finch’s half rotation set up?

I'll give you five for starters....

Anthony Edwards
Julius Randle
Karl-Anthony Towns
Donte DiVincenzo
Mike Conley

Yeah, pretty sure each of them got more than 6-8 minutes a game. Try again for Zenny?

[winforlose]

"Trade away Ant and give all of his minutes to Rob! Who knows....maybe he's ready. If not, you learn by playing." -winforlose

All you know how to do is lie. Do you ever have the honest conversation or is it just easier to distort the persons positions to something they never said so you can score points off of that? Name one player in the last 3 years who thrived in Finch’s half rotation set up? Name one player in the league who genuinely improved in 6-8 minutes per night with an understanding that if they make mistakes the will be benched. Minott got yanked, Dilly got yanked, TSJ got yanked. But of course being given a short leash and a poorly defined role with people you have almost never played with is stress free.

OK, this one was intentionally a little over the edge, I'll concede.

But essentially, you are arguing that you would rather give those PF/C minutes to an unproven 19-year old (and an even less proven 18-year old) over two all-NBA players and a guy one year removed from winning Sixth Man of the Year. So pardon me for trying to make a point by mischaracterizing that you would rather give minutes to an unproven 20-year old Rob Dillingham over an all-NBA talent in Anthony Edwards.

I think you bring up a good word with the phrase "short leash" though. Have you ever tried to train a dog? You do so by starting it on a short leash. As the dog matures and improves, you lengthen the leash. If they backslide, you tighten it again and retrain until the training sticks. You don't just let the dog run free and say "they'll figure it out eventually.

Dilly’s minutes last year would have come from Mike, (who if you recall was terrible for the first half the season and apparently hurt,) not Ant. Joan’s minutes this season come from playing Naz and Randle together with a big which takes minutes from… Mike. The common theme, less Mike minutes. It is not random, it is to fill a role that the team is missing. Dilly is a bust, but I do believe his progress/progression was damaged by Finch not giving him enough leash. You don’t train anything with all stick and no carrot.

Your argument is essentially that Joan would be worse now had he been playing since the start of the season. He needed the practice and G league time to learn the game (and perhaps the language.) I disagree. The conventional wisdom is players cannot learn an NBA pace without NBA minutes. Joan didn’t need to adapt his skill set like Dilly (who could really use time in the G,) but rather he needs reps in the NBA. Half of those opportunities are gone, and if he is going to help against elite teams in the playoffs, I absolutely believe he needs every rep he can get.

As for Rocco, I want to rest Rudy and let his hip heal, but I also don’t to be short a big. Naz is still sore in his shoulder (presumably,) and Rocco should be fine against a tanking Jazz. Seems like a win/win.

[winforlose]

All you know how to do is lie. Do you ever have the honest conversation or is it just easier to distort the persons positions to something they never said so you can score points off of that? Name one player in the last 3 years who thrived in Finch’s half rotation set up? Name one player in the league who genuinely improved in 6-8 minutes per night with an understanding that if they make mistakes the will be benched. Minott got yanked, Dilly got yanked, TSJ got yanked. But of course being given a short leash and a poorly defined role with people you have almost never played with is stress free.

OK, this one was intentionally a little over the edge, I'll concede.

But essentially, you are arguing that you would rather give those PF/C minutes to an unproven 19-year old (and an even less proven 18-year old) over two all-NBA players and a guy one year removed from winning Sixth Man of the Year. So pardon me for trying to make a point by mischaracterizing that you would rather give minutes to an unproven 20-year old Rob Dillingham over an all-NBA talent in Anthony Edwards.

I think you bring up a good word with the phrase "short leash" though. Have you ever tried to train a dog? You do so by starting it on a short leash. As the dog matures and improves, you lengthen the leash. If they backslide, you tighten it again and retrain until the training sticks. You don't just let the dog run free and say "they'll figure it out eventually.

Nah - I wouldn’t concede.

Dude is just being a jackass non-stop and not realizing that no one wants him around or gives jack **** about this clearly slanted opinion.

He’s an embarrassment to TWolves fans. We should all just put him on block and let him have this discourse with himself. Eventually he’ll get the idea.

I am blocking you after this post, please block me, problem solved.

[winforlose]

OK, this one was intentionally a little over the edge, I'll concede.

But essentially, you are arguing that you would rather give those PF/C minutes to an unproven 19-year old (and an even less proven 18-year old) over two all-NBA players and a guy one year removed from winning Sixth Man of the Year. So pardon me for trying to make a point by mischaracterizing that you would rather give minutes to an unproven 20-year old Rob Dillingham over an all-NBA talent in Anthony Edwards.

I think you bring up a good word with the phrase "short leash" though. Have you ever tried to train a dog? You do so by starting it on a short leash. As the dog matures and improves, you lengthen the leash. If they backslide, you tighten it again and retrain until the training sticks. You don't just let the dog run free and say "they'll figure it out eventually.

Nah - I wouldn’t concede.

Dude is just being a jackass non-stop and not realizing that no one wants him around or gives jack **** about this clearly slanted opinion.

He’s an embarrassment to TWolves fans. We should all just put him on block and let him have this discourse with himself. Eventually he’ll get the idea.

I liked W4L even though he could get like a dog with a bone regarding his theories. W4L you really need to think about what you've been doing recently. Getting a little too confrontational. Calling me a liar is one thing. I don't deserve it, but calling the very well liked Klomp a liar is going to turn the board against you. You feel wronged and I get it, but try to play nice and others I believe will play nice with you. I don't want to lose you or any of our veteran posters over personality clashes.

I state my opinions, no more no less. I don’t play games with people, I don’t misquote them, distort their arguments, or pick fights with them. If people won’t pay me the same courtesy then what is the point of conversing with them. I have been saying play Joan in the rotation since the summer league. He succeeds and now people want to dispute that I was right, that is their prerogative. It doesn’t change the fact that Rudy’s on off numbers are crazy and Joan is stating to display the same results in a small sample size.

[KGdaBom]

Nah - I wouldn’t concede.

Dude is just being a jackass non-stop and not realizing that no one wants him around or gives jack **** about this clearly slanted opinion.

He’s an embarrassment to TWolves fans. We should all just put him on block and let him have this discourse with himself. Eventually he’ll get the idea.

I liked W4L even though he could get like a dog with a bone regarding his theories. W4L you really need to think about what you've been doing recently. Getting a little too confrontational. Calling me a liar is one thing. I don't deserve it, but calling the very well liked Klomp a liar is going to turn the board against you. You feel wronged and I get it, but try to play nice and others I believe will play nice with you. I don't want to lose you or any of our veteran posters over personality clashes.

I state my opinions, no more no less. I don’t play games with people, I don’t misquote them, distort their arguments, or pick fights with them. If people won’t pay me the same courtesy then what is the point of conversing with them. I have been saying play Joan in the rotation since the summer league. He succeeds and now people want to dispute that I was right, that is their prerogative. It doesn’t change the fact that Rudy’s on off numbers are crazy and Joan is stating to display the same results in a small sample size.

I would say I've been an even bigger proponent of Le Berricade than you have and IMO we are both well vindicated for our faith in him. Maybe you really don't see it, but IMO you have been very confrontational. I got irritated with you when you replied to my post with responses that IMO were not related to my post at all. You've been looking for every chance to harp on your theories. Remember me telling you it's not what you say it's the tone of how you say them. For me your tone this season has been all wrong and that wasn't the case in prior seasons. Yes Klomp has mischaracterized your stances, but you're IMO taking way too much offense to his hyperbole. Try chilling out a little and converse with others in a more friendly manner and things will get better for you and everybody else here.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Damn, you guys, might i suggest going to a tanning salon maybe? Get a bit of light on you? Winter is bringing out some angst

[winforlose]

I liked W4L even though he could get like a dog with a bone regarding his theories. W4L you really need to think about what you've been doing recently. Getting a little too confrontational. Calling me a liar is one thing. I don't deserve it, but calling the very well liked Klomp a liar is going to turn the board against you. You feel wronged and I get it, but try to play nice and others I believe will play nice with you. I don't want to lose you or any of our veteran posters over personality clashes.

I state my opinions, no more no less. I don’t play games with people, I don’t misquote them, distort their arguments, or pick fights with them. If people won’t pay me the same courtesy then what is the point of conversing with them. I have been saying play Joan in the rotation since the summer league. He succeeds and now people want to dispute that I was right, that is their prerogative. It doesn’t change the fact that Rudy’s on off numbers are crazy and Joan is stating to display the same results in a small sample size.

I would say I've been an even bigger proponent of Le Berricade than you have and IMO we are both well vindicated for our faith in him. Maybe you really don't see it, but IMO you have been very confrontational. I got irritated with you when you replied to my post with responses that IMO were not related to my post at all. You've been looking for every chance to harp on your theories. Remember me telling you it's not what you say it's the tone of how you say them. For me your tone this season has been all wrong and that wasn't the case in prior seasons. Yes Klomp has mischaracterized your stances, but you're IMO taking way too much offense to his hyperbole. Try chilling out a little and converse with others in a more friendly manner and things will get better for you and everybody else here.

I try to address the things people say not talk around them. If you could provide some examples that would be helpful. The difference in tone is more that I am less confident about the team this year. I get frustrated that the same mistakes are repeated year after year. I think you may be seeing my disapproval as pessimism and then translating that to confrontation when I explain my position to those who disagree. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, likewise as long as I am civil I find it unreasonable for people to take offense with my disagreeing with them. JScott took extreme offense to what I was saying, so he should block me and vice versa.

[jscott]

I state my opinions, no more no less. I don’t play games with people, I don’t misquote them, distort their arguments, or pick fights with them. If people won’t pay me the same courtesy then what is the point of conversing with them. I have been saying play Joan in the rotation since the summer league. He succeeds and now people want to dispute that I was right, that is their prerogative. It doesn’t change the fact that Rudy’s on off numbers are crazy and Joan is stating to display the same results in a small sample size.

I would say I've been an even bigger proponent of Le Berricade than you have and IMO we are both well vindicated for our faith in him. Maybe you really don't see it, but IMO you have been very confrontational. I got irritated with you when you replied to my post with responses that IMO were not related to my post at all. You've been looking for every chance to harp on your theories. Remember me telling you it's not what you say it's the tone of how you say them. For me your tone this season has been all wrong and that wasn't the case in prior seasons. Yes Klomp has mischaracterized your stances, but you're IMO taking way too much offense to his hyperbole. Try chilling out a little and converse with others in a more friendly manner and things will get better for you and everybody else here.

I try to address the things people say not talk around them. If you could provide some examples that would be helpful. The difference in tone is more that I am less confident about the team this year. I get frustrated that the same mistakes are repeated year after year. I think you may be seeing my disapproval as pessimism and then translating that to confrontation when I explain my position to those who disagree. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, likewise as long as I am civil I find it unreasonable for people to take offense with my disagreeing with them. JScott took extreme offense to what I was saying, so he should block me and vice versa.

I didn’t take offense. I think you’re an arrogant jackass who isn’t worth wasting time on. Maybe try to hear what KG is telling you. He might be the only person who still wants you around here.

[Klomp]

Name one player in the last 3 years who thrived in Finch’s half rotation set up?

I'll give you five for starters....

Anthony Edwards
Julius Randle
Karl-Anthony Towns
Donte DiVincenzo
Mike Conley

Yeah, pretty sure each of them got more than 6-8 minutes a game. Try again for Zenny?

I misunderstood.

When Finch was hired, Jaden's minutes took a slight dip as Finch was adjusting to the roster. Went from averaging 23 mpg under Saunders to averaging 13 mpg in his first 3 games. But in the chances he got for a bigger role, he took advantage. As he kept stacking big performances, Finch never looked back.

[winforlose]

I would say I've been an even bigger proponent of Le Berricade than you have and IMO we are both well vindicated for our faith in him. Maybe you really don't see it, but IMO you have been very confrontational. I got irritated with you when you replied to my post with responses that IMO were not related to my post at all. You've been looking for every chance to harp on your theories. Remember me telling you it's not what you say it's the tone of how you say them. For me your tone this season has been all wrong and that wasn't the case in prior seasons. Yes Klomp has mischaracterized your stances, but you're IMO taking way too much offense to his hyperbole. Try chilling out a little and converse with others in a more friendly manner and things will get better for you and everybody else here.

I try to address the things people say not talk around them. If you could provide some examples that would be helpful. The difference in tone is more that I am less confident about the team this year. I get frustrated that the same mistakes are repeated year after year. I think you may be seeing my disapproval as pessimism and then translating that to confrontation when I explain my position to those who disagree. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, likewise as long as I am civil I find it unreasonable for people to take offense with my disagreeing with them. JScott took extreme offense to what I was saying, so he should block me and vice versa.

I didn’t take offense. I think you’re an arrogant jackass who isn’t worth wasting time on. Maybe try to hear what KG is telling you. He might be the only person who still wants you around here.

All the more reason to block me and pretend I don’t exist.

[KGdaBom]

I would say I've been an even bigger proponent of Le Berricade than you have and IMO we are both well vindicated for our faith in him. Maybe you really don't see it, but IMO you have been very confrontational. I got irritated with you when you replied to my post with responses that IMO were not related to my post at all. You've been looking for every chance to harp on your theories. Remember me telling you it's not what you say it's the tone of how you say them. For me your tone this season has been all wrong and that wasn't the case in prior seasons. Yes Klomp has mischaracterized your stances, but you're IMO taking way too much offense to his hyperbole. Try chilling out a little and converse with others in a more friendly manner and things will get better for you and everybody else here.

I try to address the things people say not talk around them. If you could provide some examples that would be helpful. The difference in tone is more that I am less confident about the team this year. I get frustrated that the same mistakes are repeated year after year. I think you may be seeing my disapproval as pessimism and then translating that to confrontation when I explain my position to those who disagree. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me, likewise as long as I am civil I find it unreasonable for people to take offense with my disagreeing with them. JScott took extreme offense to what I was saying, so he should block me and vice versa.

I didn’t take offense. I think you’re an arrogant jackass who isn’t worth wasting time on. Maybe try to hear what KG is telling you. He might be the only person who still wants you around here.

I don't think that's true. I hope it's not.

[cmoss84]

Damn, you guys, might i suggest going to a tanning salon maybe? Get a bit of light on you? Winter is bringing out some angst

Do tanning salons have happy endings???

[Slim Tubby]

Damn, you guys, might i suggest going to a tanning salon maybe? Get a bit of light on you? Winter is bringing out some angst

Do tanning salons have happy endings???

Yes, but you have to purchase the spray-on package upgrade.

I heard this from a friend.

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