Trade Talk (Part Four)

[KGdaBom]

Hawks fan back again:
Rumors from here in Atlanta is that Minny proposed #6 and Hunter for #1 - Hawks quickly declined. Atlanta is not as interested in moving up like they did last year.
Here's a Wolves/Magic trade said to have been discussed:
Top 5 protected 2021 1st, #15 pick and Aaron Gordon for LaMelo Ball, Minny wants Isaac instead of Gordon, ORL does not want to include him.
It's still early and things change but that's where things are at the moment - Minny is trying really hard to trade the pick.

Thanks! Source?

Two posters have a source (non RealGM) and they share info with us what they can. Most deals may or may not happen but they just tell us a framework of ongoing discussions. Some info they don't share. It's been mostly reliable, if nothing else it makes for some heated discussions/debates.

Thanks for the report. I will remain skeptical. It could be true or it could be a load of .............
I'm hopeful the Wolves will get Wiseman in for workouts and he is so impressive we don't even consider trading down.

[KGdaBom]

If we are going to trade back my thoughts go back to a suggestion of trading with Cleveland for Larry Nance Jr and #5 and possibly some additional asset. I know Neeva hates this as he sees very little value in Nance. I see Nance as an ideal PF for us. Can shoot 3s, can pass, defend the Rim and Perimeter. At #5 one of Okongwu or Avdija will be available. Since we'd have Nance Avdija would be preferable. Perhaps we go for Vassell. (yes Jedzz I've changed my opinion about him a lot) There's not a lot of downside to that deal and IMO Nance is a heck of a lot better than DeAndre Hunter.

[Neeva]

The Orlando trade I am more intrigued with (if they make that 2021 pick top 3 protected only) Gordon blows though. Isaac is made of glass though so that blows as well.

[Neeva]

Thanks! Source?

Two posters have a source (non RealGM) and they share info with us what they can. Most deals may or may not happen but they just tell us a framework of ongoing discussions. Some info they don't share. It's been mostly reliable, if nothing else it makes for some heated discussions/debates.

Thanks for the report. I will remain skeptical. It could be true or it could be a load of .............
I'm hopeful the Wolves will get Wiseman in for workouts and he is so impressive we don't even consider trading down.

Wiseman is falling in most mocks. I see this happening on draft night as well.

[KGdaBom]

Two posters have a source (non RealGM) and they share info with us what they can. Most deals may or may not happen but they just tell us a framework of ongoing discussions. Some info they don't share. It's been mostly reliable, if nothing else it makes for some heated discussions/debates.

Thanks for the report. I will remain skeptical. It could be true or it could be a load of .............
I'm hopeful the Wolves will get Wiseman in for workouts and he is so impressive we don't even consider trading down.

Wiseman is falling in most mocks. I see this happening on draft night as well.

You have your right to be wrong.
Just messing with you. You could be right, but I see it very differently from you.

[minimus]

Two posters have a source (non RealGM) and they share info with us what they can. Most deals may or may not happen but they just tell us a framework of ongoing discussions. Some info they don't share. It's been mostly reliable, if nothing else it makes for some heated discussions/debates.

I am glad that this framework was at least discussed. It looks logical to me to check how high are in ATL FO about Edwards because of his connection and positional fit. I also think that Rosas as trade partner had some good reputation in ATL because they worked together last deadline.

[shrink]

Hawks fan back again:
Rumors from here in Atlanta is that Minny proposed #6 and Hunter for #1 - Hawks quickly declined. Atlanta is not as interested in moving up like they did last year.
Here's a Wolves/Magic trade said to have been discussed:
Top 5 protected 2021 1st, #15 pick and Aaron Gordon for LaMelo Ball, Minny wants Isaac instead of Gordon, ORL does not want to include him.
It's still early and things change but that's where things are at the moment - Minny is trying really hard to trade the pick.

This is good information. True, they are rumors, but they are rumors about what the actual front offices will do - not what internet fans hope happens. Thanks for coming here and posting that.

Now here’s what this internet fan hopes:

I really hope the Wolves/Magic deal doesn’t happen. I just don’t see pieces of real value here. The Magic will likely chug along, avoiding a rebuild, and sliding into the bottom of the playoffs for their annual first round exit. Two non-lotto picks and Aaron Gordon don’t appear to me to have great value. This is a star league, and the best chance to find a star is with that first pick. The odds aren’t great, but I wouldn’t want to use the #1 pick for quantity role players.

[jayu70]

Thanks! Source?

Two posters have a source (non RealGM) and they share info with us what they can. Most deals may or may not happen but they just tell us a framework of ongoing discussions. Some info they don't share. It's been mostly reliable, if nothing else it makes for some heated discussions/debates.

Thanks for the report. I will remain skeptical. It could be true or it could be a load of .............
I'm hopeful the Wolves will get Wiseman in for workouts and he is so impressive we don't even consider trading down.

Like I said, nothing is set in stone...these are frameworks of deals being discussed with offers and counter offers.
The two guys have been giving us info over the years - the latest: he told us about the Hawks interest in Capela before any runors surfaced and that involved Denver as well (he didn't give the names, but I guessed Beasley and hoped he would be coming to Atlanta too) just wasn't privy to all the details and the exact framework of the deal. He mentioned CP3 asking for a trade to the Bucks before Donovan was let go. Knicks and Philly are interested but he wants to team up with Giannis.

[KGdaBom]

Two posters have a source (non RealGM) and they share info with us what they can. Most deals may or may not happen but they just tell us a framework of ongoing discussions. Some info they don't share. It's been mostly reliable, if nothing else it makes for some heated discussions/debates.

Thanks for the report. I will remain skeptical. It could be true or it could be a load of .............
I'm hopeful the Wolves will get Wiseman in for workouts and he is so impressive we don't even consider trading down.

Like I said, nothing is set in stone...these are frameworks of deals being discussed with offers and counter offers.
The two guys have been giving us info over the years - the latest: he told us about the Hawks interest in Capela before any runors surfaced and that involved Denver as well (he didn't give the names, but I guessed Beasley and hoped he would be coming to Atlanta too) just wasn't privy to all the details and the exact framework of the deal. He mentioned CP3 asking for a trade to the Bucks before Donovan was let go. Knicks and Philly are interested but he wants to team up with Giannis.

Interesting thoughts on Chris Paul. He played sensationally this past season, but he has bone on bone knees and is getting Old. Does he have one or two good years left. His contract is over $40 million a year.

[jayu70]

Two posters have a source (non RealGM) and they share info with us what they can. Most deals may or may not happen but they just tell us a framework of ongoing discussions. Some info they don't share. It's been mostly reliable, if nothing else it makes for some heated discussions/debates.

I am glad that this framework was at least discussed. It looks logical to me to check how high are in ATL FO about Edwards because of his connection and positional fit. I also think that Rosas as trade partner had some good reputation in ATL because they worked together last deadline.

He did mention that being in his hometown may not be the best for Edwards, would be better playing elsewhere...there are 'whispers'.

[jayu70]

Thanks for the report. I will remain skeptical. It could be true or it could be a load of .............
I'm hopeful the Wolves will get Wiseman in for workouts and he is so impressive we don't even consider trading down.

Like I said, nothing is set in stone...these are frameworks of deals being discussed with offers and counter offers.
The two guys have been giving us info over the years - the latest: he told us about the Hawks interest in Capela before any runors surfaced and that involved Denver as well (he didn't give the names, but I guessed Beasley and hoped he would be coming to Atlanta too) just wasn't privy to all the details and the exact framework of the deal. He mentioned CP3 asking for a trade to the Bucks before Donovan was let go. Knicks and Philly are interested but he wants to team up with Giannis.

Interesting thoughts on Chris Paul. He played sensationally this past season, but he has bone on bone knees and is getting Old. Does he have one or two good years left. His contract is over $40 million a year.

I think the long layoff did wonders for CP3's playoff availability.
OKC has a large tax bill looming the end of the season as a repeat offender, so it would be prudent on them to reduce salaries. A trade would be centered around Bledsoe, Illyasova, Wilson and what ever else to make up the salary difference plus a small incentive going to OKC.

[KGdaBom]

Like I said, nothing is set in stone...these are frameworks of deals being discussed with offers and counter offers.
The two guys have been giving us info over the years - the latest: he told us about the Hawks interest in Capela before any runors surfaced and that involved Denver as well (he didn't give the names, but I guessed Beasley and hoped he would be coming to Atlanta too) just wasn't privy to all the details and the exact framework of the deal. He mentioned CP3 asking for a trade to the Bucks before Donovan was let go. Knicks and Philly are interested but he wants to team up with Giannis.

Interesting thoughts on Chris Paul. He played sensationally this past season, but he has bone on bone knees and is getting Old. Does he have one or two good years left. His contract is over $40 million a year.

I think the long layoff did wonders for CP3's playoff availability.
OKC has a large tax bill looming the end of the season as a repeat offender, so it would be prudent on them to reduce salaries. A trade would be centered around Bledsoe, Illyasova, Wilson and what ever else to make up the salary difference plus a small incentive going to OKC.

I get OKC doing it. To me Milwaukee doing it would be pure desperation. This coming season could be the one where Paul falls off a cliff. At absolute most he has 2 years left. It just might work. It could bring Milwaukee a title. On the other hand it could easily be their demise. If I'm Milwaukee I try to find another way.

[Neeva]

Hawks fan back again:
Rumors from here in Atlanta is that Minny proposed #6 and Hunter for #1 - Hawks quickly declined. Atlanta is not as interested in moving up like they did last year.
Here's a Wolves/Magic trade said to have been discussed:
Top 5 protected 2021 1st, #15 pick and Aaron Gordon for LaMelo Ball, Minny wants Isaac instead of Gordon, ORL does not want to include him.
It's still early and things change but that's where things are at the moment - Minny is trying really hard to trade the pick.

This is good information. True, they are rumors, but they are rumors about what the actual front offices will do - not what internet fans hope happens. Thanks for coming here and posting that.

Now here’s what this internet fan hopes:

I really hope the Wolves/Magic deal doesn’t happen. I just don’t see pieces of real value here. The Magic will likely chug along, avoiding a rebuild, and sliding into the bottom of the playoffs for their annual first round exit. Two non-lotto picks and Aaron Gordon don’t appear to me to have great value. This is a star league, and the best chance to find a star is with that first pick. The odds aren’t great, but I wouldn’t want to use the #1 pick for quantity role players.

I don’t see Orlando making the playoffs next season. That 2021 pick from them will wind up around 8 which would probably be the same value as the fourth pick in the 2020 draft.
Would be better for the wolves if a third team is involved however if Orlando refuses to budge on including injured Isaac over Gordon (even if Minny adds the 17)

So adding Phoenix
Minny gives 1, 17 and Johnson and gets 2021 top 3 protected Magic pick, Oubre, 10 and 15.
Phoenix gives Oubre and 10 and gets Gordon and 17
Orlando gives top 3 protected 2021 pick, 15, Gordon (maybe throw in 40th pick for Minny) and gets 1 and Johnson.

I might do it for Minny, Oubre would help (with okc tanking there is opening in west playoff spots) and it makes Booker less happy without one of his best friends Oubre and which team will have all of his best friends? The Wolves.

[Wolveswin]

Two posters have a source (non RealGM) and they share info with us what they can. Most deals may or may not happen but they just tell us a framework of ongoing discussions. Some info they don't share. It's been mostly reliable, if nothing else it makes for some heated discussions/debates.

Thanks for the report. I will remain skeptical. It could be true or it could be a load of .............
I'm hopeful the Wolves will get Wiseman in for workouts and he is so impressive we don't even consider trading down.

Like I said, nothing is set in stone...these are frameworks of deals being discussed with offers and counter offers.
The two guys have been giving us info over the years - the latest: he told us about the Hawks interest in Capela before any runors surfaced and that involved Denver as well (he didn't give the names, but I guessed Beasley and hoped he would be coming to Atlanta too) just wasn't privy to all the details and the exact framework of the deal. He mentioned CP3 asking for a trade to the Bucks before Donovan was let go. Knicks and Philly are interested but he wants to team up with Giannis.

I think Paul to Bucks makes a lot of sense. They should have a little bit of desperation and overpay in their blood.

I like these options...

Bucks and Thunder straight up:
Paul + Muscala for DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24

Depends on how negative Bledsoe is in trade value. OKC might not like thought of rerouting and dumping him. So enter the Warriors...

Warriors Give: Iggy TPE
Warriors Get: Bledsoe (via Iggy TPE) + #24

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala
Thunder Get: DDV + Hill + Ersan

Bucks Give: DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala

Or if Warriors want to use Bledsoe value to offset Wiggins value, and Presti is drooling over #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st...

Warriors Give: Wiggins + Iggy TPE + #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st
Warriors Get: Adams or Schroder (both expiring) + Bledsoe (via Iggy TPE) + #24

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala + Adams or Schroder
Thunder Get: Wiggins + DDV + Hill + Ersan (could also go to Warriors) + #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st

Bucks Give: DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala

Warriors could move Wiggins while getting expiring filler to make subsequent win-now trade with their draft capital remaining.

[Klomp]

In two seasons, they'd be paying Paul and Middleton a combined $79,711,146 with no guarantee of Antetokounmpo being on the roster

[Wolveswin]

In two seasons, they'd be paying Paul and Middleton a combined $79,711,146 with no guarantee of Antetokounmpo being on the roster

Paul would be an expiring contract. And unless he fell off a cliff (like literally) they could trade him for some value. I would bet if the timing was Giannis bolted, Paul may even opt out and ring chase (or very aggressive buyout and ring chase).

If Bucks wanted to tear it down after Giannis bolt, Middleton would fetch some value. Nice injection into roster rebuild.

[KGdaBom]

Thanks for the report. I will remain skeptical. It could be true or it could be a load of .............
I'm hopeful the Wolves will get Wiseman in for workouts and he is so impressive we don't even consider trading down.

Like I said, nothing is set in stone...these are frameworks of deals being discussed with offers and counter offers.
The two guys have been giving us info over the years - the latest: he told us about the Hawks interest in Capela before any runors surfaced and that involved Denver as well (he didn't give the names, but I guessed Beasley and hoped he would be coming to Atlanta too) just wasn't privy to all the details and the exact framework of the deal. He mentioned CP3 asking for a trade to the Bucks before Donovan was let go. Knicks and Philly are interested but he wants to team up with Giannis.

I think Paul to Bucks makes a lot of sense. They should have a little bit of desperation and overpay in their blood.

I like these options...

Bucks and Thunder straight up:
Paul + Muscala for DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24

Depends on how negative Bledsoe is in trade value. OKC might not like thought of rerouting and dumping him. So enter the Warriors...

Warriors Give: Iggy TPE
Warriors Get: Bledsoe (via Iggy TPE) + #24

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala
Thunder Get: DDV + Hill + Ersan

Bucks Give: DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala

Or if Warriors want to use Bledsoe value to offset Wiggins value, and Presti is drooling over #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st...

Warriors Give: Wiggins + Iggy TPE + #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st
Warriors Get: Adams or Schroder (both expiring) + Bledsoe (via Iggy TPE) + #24

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala + Adams or Schroder
Thunder Get: Wiggins + DDV + Hill + Ersan (could also go to Warriors) + #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st

Bucks Give: DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala

Warriors could move Wiggins while getting expiring filler to make subsequent win-now trade with their draft capital remaining.

If Bucks can get Paul for free like you're suggesting it might be worth the risk. If they have to give up anything or anybody legit it's not IMO. Paul could easily wash out this very coming season. He's outlived his NBA life expectancy already in my estimation.

[KGdaBom]

In two seasons, they'd be paying Paul and Middleton a combined $79,711,146 with no guarantee of Antetokounmpo being on the roster

[KGdaBom]

In two seasons, they'd be paying Paul and Middleton a combined $79,711,146 with no guarantee of Antetokounmpo being on the roster

Paul would be an expiring contract. And unless he fell off a cliff (like literally) they could trade him for some value. I would bet if the timing was Giannis bolted, Paul may even opt out and ring chase (or very aggressive buyout and ring chase).

If Bucks wanted to tear it down after Giannis bolt, Middleton would fetch some value. Nice injection into roster rebuild.

I don't believe there will be a Giannis bolt. He's going to sign a supermax with them like every player ever offered it upon completion of his rookie deal has.

[mademan]

In two seasons, they'd be paying Paul and Middleton a combined $79,711,146 with no guarantee of Antetokounmpo being on the roster

If Giannis leaves, would that even matter? Paul would be expiring and Middleton should still have value and they wouldnt be in the tax without Giannis. It doesnt really hurt you future wise if Giannis leaves, and winning a title is probably the best way to convince him to stay.