Around the NBA (Part Two)

[Note30]

Lol without that trade ant is the one with the trade request not giannis

Yeah he would have asked out before even signing his rookie max while we're still making the playoffs. Idiot.



The only thing that trade did was make us competitive enough to get past the first round.

You keep bang your head like that, you will need therapy very soon What makes anyone think that Giannis is really available and the GM cares whatever assets you think we may have? Late first round picks are useless for most part. Would Giannis even want to be here?

You can't have it both ways. Either Gobert is a top 10 player worthy of 5 picks that were valuable enough to pry him away.

If that's true, its definitely good enough of a package along with what would be a few more role players and rookies post trade that it could get Giannis.

Or he's not that valuable, which means overrated, and we paid a fair price for him (late first rounders).

Could def use the two buttons meme here.

Also fear of attracting a guy who spent his whole career in MIL is defeatist behavior. It's exactly why you justify the trade because you're too chicken **** to admit there was a universe where we could have positioned ourselves for a ring.

Sorry I ain't okay with 4th place.

[TimberKat]

Yeah he would have asked out before even signing his rookie max while we're still making the playoffs. Idiot.



The only thing that trade did was make us competitive enough to get past the first round.

You keep bang your head like that, you will need therapy very soon What makes anyone think that Giannis is really available and the GM cares whatever assets you think we may have? Late first round picks are useless for most part. Would Giannis even want to be here?

You can't have it both ways. Either Gobert is a top 10 player worthy of 5 picks that were valuable enough to pry him away.

If that's true, its definitely good enough of a package along with what would be a few more role players and rookies post trade that it could get Giannis.

Or he's not that valuable, which means overrated, and we paid a fair price for him.

Could def use the two buttons meme here.

Also fear of attracting a guy who spent his whole career in MIL is defeatist behavior. It's exactly why you justify the trade because you're too chicken **** to admit there was a universe where we could have positioned ourselves for a ring.

Sorry I ain't okay with 4th place.

I always like and supported of the Gobert trade and is fine with what we give up for him. We just have different opinions. I always like the core of Gobert, Towns, and Ant. You can try to get Giannis but you won't get him. What would you offer Bucks to make that trade? A buck head on a bed?

[Note30]

You keep bang your head like that, you will need therapy very soon What makes anyone think that Giannis is really available and the GM cares whatever assets you think we may have? Late first round picks are useless for most part. Would Giannis even want to be here?

You can't have it both ways. Either Gobert is a top 10 player worthy of 5 picks that were valuable enough to pry him away.

If that's true, its definitely good enough of a package along with what would be a few more role players and rookies post trade that it could get Giannis.

Or he's not that valuable, which means overrated, and we paid a fair price for him.

Could def use the two buttons meme here.

Also fear of attracting a guy who spent his whole career in MIL is defeatist behavior. It's exactly why you justify the trade because you're too chicken **** to admit there was a universe where we could have positioned ourselves for a ring.

Sorry I ain't okay with 4th place.

I always like and supported of the Gobert trade and is fine with what we give up for him. We just have different opinions. I always like the core of Gobert, Towns, and Ant. You can try to get Giannis but you won't get him. What would you offer Bucks to make that trade? A buck head on a bed?

It's impossible to determine what outside of the 5 picks is at play, you can't predict who they would have drafted for two years, or what other trades or pickups they would have made. Who knows what a competent GM could have done. You also can't ignore the seismic shifts that moving Gobert for made possible. Mitchell, KD, Bridges asking price went through the roof because of that trade, certain players were traded, entire teams shifted balance. To guess how the NBA landscape would have unfolded is guesswork. So is guessing what we would have had. Had we not traded and just stayed in our own lane and KAT got injured again? We might have plunged to the bottom and had our 2023 pick, had we gotten first? We would have Wemby who by himself is worth Giannis.

No way we would have traded that as a Wemby Ant KAT core would run the league for a decade.

So doing a what if is **** stupid.

[TimberKat]

You can't have it both ways. Either Gobert is a top 10 player worthy of 5 picks that were valuable enough to pry him away.

If that's true, its definitely good enough of a package along with what would be a few more role players and rookies post trade that it could get Giannis.

Or he's not that valuable, which means overrated, and we paid a fair price for him.

Could def use the two buttons meme here.

Also fear of attracting a guy who spent his whole career in MIL is defeatist behavior. It's exactly why you justify the trade because you're too chicken **** to admit there was a universe where we could have positioned ourselves for a ring.

Sorry I ain't okay with 4th place.

I always like and supported of the Gobert trade and is fine with what we give up for him. We just have different opinions. I always like the core of Gobert, Towns, and Ant. You can try to get Giannis but you won't get him. What would you offer Bucks to make that trade? A buck head on a bed?

It's impossible to determine what outside of the 5 picks is at play, you can't predict who they would have drafted for two years, or what other trades or pickups they would have made. Who knows what a competent GM could have done. You also can't ignore the seismic shifts that moving Gobert for made possible. Mitchell, KD, Bridges asking price went through the roof because of that trade, certain players were traded, entire teams shifted balance. To guess how the NBA landscape would have unfolded is guesswork. So is guessing what we would have had. Had we not traded and just stayed in our own lane and KAT got injured again? We might have plunged to the bottom and had our 2023 pick, had we gotten first? We would have Wemby who by himself is worth Giannis.

No way we would have traded that as a Wemby Ant KAT core would run the league for a decade.

So doing a what if is **** stupid.

However if you look at all the picks Bucks already traded away and the swaps they have, they need to reload and can't tank. Expecting any income picks to be high picks is unrealistic. They don't control any picks until 2031. So unless someone hand them a #1 or multiple all stars. It's not happening.

Gobert didn't set the price. If there is anyone, it's at least Harden to Nets that set the price. Notice Nets also loss Allen and LeVert in the process.

[winforlose]

The Gobert trade is long past settled. The more time passes the more variable come into existence, (draft picks, subsequent free agent signings, other teams trades, injuries, ect…) The question for the rest of this series and beyond is what is wrong with Rudy? Is it his back, his confidence, or something else? Whatever the case may be he is making putrid sound like an understatement. His defense is still good enough, but his offense and rebounding are not. He was a -11 in a 3 point win, and I believe it was well earned. We need Rudy to at least be playable in rounds 2 and beyond.

[TimberKat]

The only series that is 2-2 is DEN vs LAC. OKC is going to get another easy round. It's looking like GSW at MIN for second round.

[Note30]

I always like and supported of the Gobert trade and is fine with what we give up for him. We just have different opinions. I always like the core of Gobert, Towns, and Ant. You can try to get Giannis but you won't get him. What would you offer Bucks to make that trade? A buck head on a bed?

It's impossible to determine what outside of the 5 picks is at play, you can't predict who they would have drafted for two years, or what other trades or pickups they would have made. Who knows what a competent GM could have done. You also can't ignore the seismic shifts that moving Gobert for made possible. Mitchell, KD, Bridges asking price went through the roof because of that trade, certain players were traded, entire teams shifted balance. To guess how the NBA landscape would have unfolded is guesswork. So is guessing what we would have had. Had we not traded and just stayed in our own lane and KAT got injured again? We might have plunged to the bottom and had our 2023 pick, had we gotten first? We would have Wemby who by himself is worth Giannis.

No way we would have traded that as a Wemby Ant KAT core would run the league for a decade.

So doing a what if is **** stupid.

However if you look at all the picks Bucks already traded away and the swaps they have, they need to reload and can't tank. Expecting any income picks to be high picks is unrealistic. They don't control any picks until 2031. So unless someone hand them a #1 or multiple all stars. It's not happening.

Gobert didn't set the price. If there is anyone, it's at least Harden to Nets that set the price. Notice Nets also loss Allen and LeVert in the process.

You're right. Arguing with you is gonna send me to therapy. I'm done here.

[TimberKat]

It's impossible to determine what outside of the 5 picks is at play, you can't predict who they would have drafted for two years, or what other trades or pickups they would have made. Who knows what a competent GM could have done. You also can't ignore the seismic shifts that moving Gobert for made possible. Mitchell, KD, Bridges asking price went through the roof because of that trade, certain players were traded, entire teams shifted balance. To guess how the NBA landscape would have unfolded is guesswork. So is guessing what we would have had. Had we not traded and just stayed in our own lane and KAT got injured again? We might have plunged to the bottom and had our 2023 pick, had we gotten first? We would have Wemby who by himself is worth Giannis.

No way we would have traded that as a Wemby Ant KAT core would run the league for a decade.

So doing a what if is **** stupid.

However if you look at all the picks Bucks already traded away and the swaps they have, they need to reload and can't tank. Expecting any income picks to be high picks is unrealistic. They don't control any picks until 2031. So unless someone hand them a #1 or multiple all stars. It's not happening.

Gobert didn't set the price. If there is anyone, it's at least Harden to Nets that set the price. Notice Nets also loss Allen and LeVert in the process.

You're right. Arguing with you is gonna send me to therapy.

Good luck with that.

[Domejandro]

If only we had cap space, multiple picks, rookies, and role players to offer.

And if only we had two All Star level players to make us look attractive.

Oh wait we wasted that on a guy averaging 3.5 pts per game this series.

Minnesota would not be in this series (nor would they have made it to the Western Conference Finals last year) without making that trade.

Frankly, I have no idea how any Minnesota fans could be negative about the Rudy Gobert trade, given how well it has worked out.

Any Minnesota fan that thinks that trade was a good one is short sighted.

Personally, I think it is short-sighted to fantasize over picks and blockbuster trades instead of actually investing in the development of Anthony Edwards. I really don't think failing to make the Playoffs (or being play-in fodder) and wasting his developmental years like Minnesota did with Karl-Anthony Towns is a particularly sound strategy. Additionally, shaking the "loser franchise" reputation has a tremendous amount of value.

[Note30]

Minnesota would not be in this series (nor would they have made it to the Western Conference Finals last year) without making that trade.

Frankly, I have no idea how any Minnesota fans could be negative about the Rudy Gobert trade, given how well it has worked out.

Any Minnesota fan that thinks that trade was a good one is short sighted.

Personally, I think it is short-sighted to fantasize over picks and blockbuster trades instead of actually investing in the development of Anthony Edwards. I really don't think failing to make the Playoffs (or being play-in fodder) and wasting his developmental years like Minnesota did with Karl-Anthony Towns is a particularly sound strategy. Additionally, shaking the "loser franchise" reputation has a tremendous amount of value.

Ah yes, no successful players who have ever struggled to make it out of the first round for a few years have ever developed properly. Guess the Bulls should have traded all of their assets for an aging Moses Malone in 1988, because how else would Michael Jordan develop?

[younggunsmn]

Minnesota would not be in this series (nor would they have made it to the Western Conference Finals last year) without making that trade.

Frankly, I have no idea how any Minnesota fans could be negative about the Rudy Gobert trade, given how well it has worked out.

Any Minnesota fan that thinks that trade was a good one is short sighted.

Personally, I think it is short-sighted to fantasize over picks and blockbuster trades instead of actually investing in the development of Anthony Edwards. I really don't think failing to make the Playoffs (or being play-in fodder) and wasting his developmental years like Minnesota did with Karl-Anthony Towns is a particularly sound strategy. Additionally, shaking the "loser franchise" reputation has a tremendous amount of value.

I don't agree with us not making the runs we did without the Gobert trade.
The first season after the Gobert trade was a massive disappointment, and Anthony Edward and Jaden McDaniels, two players who were already here, have been the primary reasons for our playoff success the past 2 years. Along with KAT's defense on Durant and Jokic.

There was a TREMENDOUS amount of opportunity cost given up with that trade, whether you measure that in draft picks, available salary, or on court spacing and chemistry, and there has been significant offensive downside for Anthony Edwards in particular.
That trade also turned KAT from a 25-12 player into a 19-8 player.

It may simply be way too much for any non-superstar player to ever realistically live up to.

What could have we done with all of those assets? We will never know.
Will we lose 1 or 2 very good players this summer because of adding Gobert's contract? I hope not, but it's still very possible.

I think what was "wasting An'ts development" (And KAT's prime) was surrounding them with low IQ numbskulls like DeAngelo Russell and Malik Beasley.
Adding higher IQ guys like Conley and Kyle Anderson and subtracting the nitwits had as much to do with our leap as adding Rudy Gobert.

[KGdaBom]

Yeah he would have asked out before even signing his rookie max while we're still making the playoffs. Idiot.



The only thing that trade did was make us competitive enough to get past the first round.

You keep bang your head like that, you will need therapy very soon What makes anyone think that Giannis is really available and the GM cares whatever assets you think we may have? Late first round picks are useless for most part. Would Giannis even want to be here?

You can't have it both ways. Either Gobert is a top 10 player worthy of 5 picks that were valuable enough to pry him away.

If that's true, its definitely good enough of a package along with what would be a few more role players and rookies post trade that it could get Giannis.

Or he's not that valuable, which means overrated, and we paid a fair price for him (late first rounders).

Could def use the two buttons meme here.

Also fear of attracting a guy who spent his whole career in MIL is defeatist behavior. It's exactly why you justify the trade because you're too chicken **** to admit there was a universe where we could have positioned ourselves for a ring.

Sorry I ain't okay with 4th place.

Gobert is worth less now than when we acquired him.

[KGdaBom]

Shame about Damian Lillard's injury. His career might be over.

[minimus]

Why HOU despite having trio of elite defenders Brooks-Thompson-Eason cant stop Butler?

[shrink]

Personally, I think it is short-sighted to fantasize over picks and blockbuster trades instead of actually investing in the development of Anthony Edwards. I really don't think failing to make the Playoffs (or being play-in fodder) and wasting his developmental years like Minnesota did with Karl-Anthony Towns is a particularly sound strategy. Additionally, shaking the "loser franchise" reputation has a tremendous amount of value.

This is my take as well. Connelly believes that to properly develop star talent, you need to put them into important playoff-level situations as possible. He believes that year after year of playing on a losing team hurts development, and Ant and Jaden have certainly become players who excel in the playoffs, in higher pressure situations. Maybe it’s because they’ve been there, even though they are young?

Anyway, my point is that thinking Tim Connelly was just going to sit on those assets for three years, waiting for a CHANCE at Giannis, was never going to happen.

[shrink]

Gobert is worth less now than when we acquired him.

Yes, and that makes sense though. We paid for, and received, his age 30, 31, and 32 seasons, and they propelled us to success.

I believe this first two years, Gobert led the team in playoff +/-, by a pretty significant number? Let’s see what happens when we face our next opponent.

[Klomp]

Any Minnesota fan that thinks that trade was a good one is short sighted.

Personally, I think it is short-sighted to fantasize over picks and blockbuster trades instead of actually investing in the development of Anthony Edwards. I really don't think failing to make the Playoffs (or being play-in fodder) and wasting his developmental years like Minnesota did with Karl-Anthony Towns is a particularly sound strategy. Additionally, shaking the "loser franchise" reputation has a tremendous amount of value.

Ah yes, no successful players who have ever struggled to make it out of the first round for a few years have ever developed properly. Guess the Bulls should have traded all of their assets for an aging Moses Malone in 1988, because how else would Michael Jordan develop?

We're not just talking about not making it out of the first round though. We're talking about one of the worst franchises in professional sports history at the time. There is no way a management team should have been thinking about that 2021-22 run as a foregone conclusion going forward. Tim Connelly knew this. He was there in Denver in 2013, when Masai Ujiri was hired away. The Nuggets were coming off a 57-win regular season, but it was pretty obvious the run was fool's gold. That group had largely capped itself out. So he went to work rebuilding the team. Do you think anyone in Denver is pining for that 2012-13 team now instead of the past 5 seasons?

[KGdaBom]

Gobert is worth less now than when we acquired him.

Yes, and that makes sense though. We paid for, and received, his age 30, 31, and 32 seasons, and they propelled us to success.

I believe this first two years, Gobert led the team in playoff +/-, by a pretty significant number? Let’s see what happens when we face our next opponent.

I was just pointing out we already got three seasons out of him. Nobody should expect his value to be the same now as it was then. It's time to let his contract run down and let him go unless he's willing to sign on the cheap. I have zero problem with Connelly trading for him and giving up what he gave up.

[winforlose]

Minnesota would not be in this series (nor would they have made it to the Western Conference Finals last year) without making that trade.

Frankly, I have no idea how any Minnesota fans could be negative about the Rudy Gobert trade, given how well it has worked out.

Any Minnesota fan that thinks that trade was a good one is short sighted.

Personally, I think it is short-sighted to fantasize over picks and blockbuster trades instead of actually investing in the development of Anthony Edwards. I really don't think failing to make the Playoffs (or being play-in fodder) and wasting his developmental years like Minnesota did with Karl-Anthony Towns is a particularly sound strategy. Additionally, shaking the "loser franchise" reputation has a tremendous amount of value.

I agree, but I want to take that a step further. Jaden, Naz, NAW, and future young players also benefit from that playoff experience. Even when they don’t get into action (Clark,) or get limited minutes (TSJ,) at least they are around it. There is no substitute for playoff experience and playoff culture.

[Note30]

Personally, I think it is short-sighted to fantasize over picks and blockbuster trades instead of actually investing in the development of Anthony Edwards. I really don't think failing to make the Playoffs (or being play-in fodder) and wasting his developmental years like Minnesota did with Karl-Anthony Towns is a particularly sound strategy. Additionally, shaking the "loser franchise" reputation has a tremendous amount of value.

Ah yes, no successful players who have ever struggled to make it out of the first round for a few years have ever developed properly. Guess the Bulls should have traded all of their assets for an aging Moses Malone in 1988, because how else would Michael Jordan develop?

We're not just talking about not making it out of the first round though. We're talking about one of the worst franchises in professional sports history at the time. There is no way a management team should have been thinking about that 2021-22 run as a foregone conclusion going forward. Tim Connelly knew this. He was there in Denver in 2013, when Masai Ujiri was hired away. The Nuggets were coming off a 57-win regular season, but it was pretty obvious the run was fool's gold. That group had largely capped itself out. So he went to work rebuilding the team. Do you think anyone in Denver is pining for that 2012-13 team now instead of the past 5 seasons?

He lost Iggy for nothing. Ty decided to full embrace I do me **** everything after the injury. Kenneth Faried was never gonna be skilled enough to overcome his athletic runway.

He had to rebuild there. But rebuilding is not throwing your assets down a drain.

He majorly lucked out into having Jokic, did the same BS he did here where he traded or let go of a bunch of talent to the point that when he left they barely have the players to get by. He handed out terrible contracts. He traded 3 picks to get Aaron Gordon, and traded away players like Harris after they had already slumped. The Nuggets succeeded despite TC. Him lucking out with the Joker turning into one of the best centers of all time has nothing to do with his ability to GM.

He guts the teams assets by spending them to get them to a high point and then when it's clear he can't really do much more he lets go of the weight and flees to another team.

Guarantee he's out sooner rather than later. And all we'll have to show for it is Gobert, NAW, Dillingham and no assets.

This team is only as good as Anthony Edwards, Jaden McDaniels. Both players who were here before this guy showed up. Our wins and losses are determined by how well those two and Randle (KAT substitute) play.