College players thread/ Draft Related thread

[revprodeji]

I know Watters would rather eat rusty nails

Well, hopefully the ones Dr Krap attached you to the wall with aren't rusty...

IE, you probably ought to focus on posting factually correct information instead of what I would do before admitting you posted correct information.

You missed the part where Rakocevicftw validated what I said? For those of you newbies, I do have sources both within the media side and the scouting side. it is something that has come up before. At tourney time I had a big prospect-crush on Mayo and had some of my sources close to the situation informed me of the same information that Rakocevicftw sited.

Attached me to the wall? What are you talking about?

[Worm Guts]

Attached me to the wall? What are you talking about?

It was a metaphor

[Krapinsky]

I know Watters would rather eat rusty nails

Well, hopefully the ones Dr Krap attached you to the wall with aren't rusty...

IE, you probably ought to focus on posting factually correct information instead of what I would do before admitting you posted correct information.

You missed the part where Rakocevicftw validated what I said? For those of you newbies, I do have sources both within the media side and the scouting side. it is something that has come up before. At tourney time I had a big prospect-crush on Mayo and had some of my sources close to the situation informed me of the same information that Rakocevicftw sited.

Attached me to the wall? What are you talking about?

Not exactly. That quote was from the Pac 10 tournament--- before March Madness started. He was just being PC and the latter part of that quote clearly illustrates that. Why would a player say they are going pro right before March Madness and become a distraction to his team?

[Dandy]

Personally I think the Wolves should position themselves to draft both Tyreke Evans and Demar DeRozan. That would make this team dynamic and two oversized athletic players at the one and two to combat Al and Love who are super skilled but un athletic. With Foye and Gomes we would be a back up center away from a night mare on every teams schedule.

[the_bruce]

Personally I think the Wolves should position themselves to draft both Tyreke Evans and Demar DeRozan. That would make this team dynamic and two oversized athletic players at the one and two to combat Al and Love who are super skilled but un athletic. With Foye and Gomes we would be a back up center away from a night mare on every teams schedule.

Really depends. Definately like evans, Derozan is aight, but I'd rather get....

Player x + evans (use whatever to move up and nab him MIA pick + xyz)

[_AIJ_]

Im in love with Alrich.
13 pts 20 rebounds 10 blocks

hope we could get him with at least one of the late three picks.

[Krapinsky]

I'm loving Derozan right now. If USC wins this game against MSU I think that's going to blow his stock up.

My love for Henderson was short lived. Watching yesterday I was convinced he was closer to 6'3" than the 6'"5 I saw him listed at. I'd rather have Derozan's potential as a super athletic legit 6'6" wing.

Harden has looked strange in the tourney. He sort of looks like Mayo if May really let himself go. Like if he got dumped by his girlfriend and stopped caring about life. Or like the part in Anchorman where Ron Bergundy is fired and is later walking down the street and yells "Its hot... milk was a bad choice."

[Jonathan Watters]

You missed the part where Rakocevicftw validated what I said?

Yes, I missed it. I saw a pathetic attempt to validate what you said, which he probably knew did no such thing before he posted it. But keep trying, it is only going to get more fun from here...

For those of you newbies, I do have sources both within the media side and the scouting side. it is something that has come up before. At tourney time I had a big prospect-crush on Mayo and had some of my sources close to the situation informed me of the same information that Rakocevicftw sited.

Ooh, do you hear that folks? He's got sources!

Attached me to the wall? What are you talking about?

What were you talking about when you started rambling on about rusty nails? I didn't get that at all, I'm just a stupid newbie! Nothing like you in all your source-backed glory!!

[revprodeji]

Honest question. Do you enjoy being a prick or is it something you do not think about? I mentioned sources because that is what I heard about Mayo from. Also, it is who I was discussing the Miller/love trade with the morning before the draft. I have spoke about it before when I hear anything good about trades or anything else. It is hardly a new claim. You are new to this board. You do not know who is who yet, but you get off being a prick. It is simply annoying and superficial.

[revprodeji]

Attached me to the wall? What are you talking about?

It was a metaphor

I have never heard of it. So I was not sure what to take from it. I know JW has made some religious comments in the past and I was not sure if he was playing that card again.

[Jonathan Watters]

Honest question. Do you enjoy being a prick or is it something you do not think about?

Do you really need to ask that question?

Once again, I'll say it - if you were more worried about being right instead of whether or not I'll admit you were right, you wouldn't get a peep out of me!

And I told ya this was only going to get more fun!!

Do your sources indicate that I'm having fun?

[jpatrick]

Derozan isn't going in the top 7. Just not going to happen. He's 6'7" with crazy athleticism but with no range on his jumper (didn't hit more then 1 three in a game this year) and a poor handle. He's got really nice potential because he's a crazy athlete and his jumper has nice form but you can't draft that at pick that at number 7. He kinda reminds me of Maggatte when he was at Duke; who also was slightly disappointing during the regulary season but had a couple nice March games and went #13 in the draft. I think that's about where Derozan will go too if he comes out.

[Mayoistooslow]

After the first week of games, here are some things I've noted.

1. Harden's stock has probably dropped a little. Biggest 2 games of his life, yet he doesn't even show up. Really disappointing, but if we stay at the 5th spot, it might be good news if other teams pass on him.
2. Aldrich's value has increased. He's going to be a solid bigman in the NBA. Obviously not enough to use a top 10 pick on, but definitely nab him if he's there for us with the other picks.
3. Thabeet's value has increased slightly. With guards like Teague and Harden not bringing anything amazing to the tournament, Thabeet has to look a little better for the Wolves to take. He would fit perfect next to Big Al down low.

[Pumaman]

I would rather take my chances with Thabeet with our 1st pick, rather than Alrich. I know alot of people will say Thabeet's not that skilled offensively, but will he really need to be? In my mind what we need is a shot-blocking force in the middle, I guy who can defend both on and off the ball handler. We get burned by a lot of little guards driving the lane, if we had an eraser like Thabeet to put in there when Tony Parker, Chris Paul, etc. are getting into the lane at will, that would help quite a bit. He is super long, can jump and has good timing, it would make it a lot more difficult for penetrators. The great thing about having a guy like that is he can block shots without fouling, or even getting near the ball-handler, he can just jump and stick those long arms out and hit the ball out of the air, he can block shots from several feet away, that's a huge weapon. Also, he has gotten alot better offensively (actually has a bit of a mid-range jumper now), and with Love and Jefferson both being high-skill post-players, he is the perfect guy to complete our 3-headed monster, this way we can go with whatever is needed at the time, he would only need to play about 24 minutes a game, Jefferson could play 34 and Love about 32 (I don't think Love is best suited to pley 36-40 minutes a game anyways).

I would try to move whatever other picks I can out to next year, when they will be much more valuable for us. Because of economic concerns and salary-cap issues, we may be able to steal a big-time player for expirings/draft picks (I think draft picks will be worth a lot because they entail both potential and cost savings compared to veteran players). I would keep one of our 2-3 extra 1st rounders and get Terrence Williams. I think he is tremendously under-valued, and would be more of a prototypical 2 guard with great athleticsm, good ball-handling and passing skills, and is an amazing rebounder for a guard (and creates turnovers, something we lack) Personally I think Foye has to at some point become decent at running the point for us to be successful, he is too small and is too often non-existent at the 2. If in 2-3 years Foye is our starting point (with Telfair or another young off the bench) and Williams at the 2 (with Brewer or Gomes at the 3) that would put us in a good spot. We would have Thabeet, Gomes/Brewer, extra PG, and next years rookie as our main bench players, that would be a nice 8-9 man rotation. And if next year we are able to trade Miller/Cardinal/picks for an all-star type player, then we could have the makings of a championship contending team in 2-3 years. Well, them's my thoughts, what do you all think?

[hotshotschamp]

I don't think it's a given that Thabeet will go first if both players decide to enter the 2009 nba draft.

Thabeet sure he's 7"3 and thats rare height even for nba standards, but Aldrich is 6"11 and plenty big to play the center position in the nba, has a good frame on him also, can get thick.

Aldrich is simply a MUCH better post scorer, way better basketball IQ and is even a better rebounder than Thabeet. They are pretty close in blocking shots.

Although Thabeet is the more rare specimen given his height I feel Aldrich will have a better nba career, and has way less bust potential. Aldrich to me has the feel of a 16 pt, 11 reb- 2-3 block center and there is nothing wrong with that. Most teams would kill to have a center who can put up a double double and play very good defense.

I get a real bad vibe with Thabeet, he's way too inconsistent even on the college level where he should be dominating at high height nightly.

I for one am sold on Aldrich over Thabeet.
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[Mayoistooslow]

Though I love your enthusiasm for Aldrich, I don't see why we would draft him over Thabeet. Thabeet is almost 4 inches taller, and would work so much better for the Wolves next to Jefferson. We don't need a kid who can score well in the post. We need a giant who can lock the paint up on defense. On the offensive end, he'll throw it down when he has to, but I don't think the Wolves will draft a bigman for his offense.

[big3_8_19_21]

Aldrich probably has lower bust potential, but Thabeet has higher overall potential and judging by the leaps and bounds he has improved by in each of his college seasons, it seems very likely that Thabeet should reach that potential or at least become a very good C.

However, I must say Aldrich would be a very tempting option. I'd love to see either one in a Wolves uni this fall. Thabeet may be gone by our pick anyway, though.

[Pumaman]

I was surprised to see a reply at this time of the night. I would probably agree that Aldrich is a better overall player at this point, and I really think that the Twolves would do fine drafting either, but I think Thabeet would just be the better pick for us. Obviously Aldrich is much more polished, but I don't think he brings that much to the table that is different than what Love and Jefferson bring (and Pekovic for that matter, if we ever actually get him). If we had only one of the two, I would maybe be in the other boat, but Aldrich duplicates alot of what they already do. But with Thabeet we can do different things...if Big Al is getting double teamed in the post, maybe we can throw it up near the rim for Thabeet, we could also do some lobs ala Paul to Chandler.

Aldrich is the better overall rebounder, but we already have two guys who rebound the ball like him, aka not a foot above the rim, a big chunk of rebounds we do NOT get are the ones that other teams simply out-jump us for, this is one area Thabeet would help more than Aldrich. The other thing that needs to be considered it Thabeet hasn't been playing basketball that long, he is going to get better, while Aldrich is not going to get a lot better. With Thabeet we would have a more versatile set of big men, one that could match up with any type of team we play. I know Aldrich gets a lot of blocks now, but I do not believe he will be as successful in the NBA in that regard (Ex: Kevin Love, 1.5 bpg at UCLA, .6 in the NBA, about .8 when adjusting for minutes). I would say Aldrich, not being as athletic) would average about 1.2 bpg at about 24 minutes, I think Thabeet would do about 2.

This is obviously just my personal opinion, and I think Aldrich will make a solid pro - but I don't think he makes the impact of Brook Lopez. This debate, however, is going to go on until draft day, at which point it will continue just like the Love/Mayo debate and the Foye/Roy debate. What I really want to know is what everyone thinks about Terrence Williams, I think he has star potential, I read something about him being a lot like Antonio Daniels - but I think more like a poor man's Wade, or maybe he will fill a Stephen Jackson type role, either way I like him a lot.

[big3_8_19_21]

So I was looking at the end of the 1st round mock on DX and we have the 28th pick and the most interesting guys they have left are:

Darren Collison
Sam Young
Wayne Ellington
Damion James
Patty Mills
DaJuan Summers
Marcus Thornton

I was wondering what you guys thought of Sam Young? I have only seen limited amounts of him, but reading his scouting report he sounds like a more athletic Ryan Gomes...is this accurate?

[MINNY4LYFE]

I'm biased, but from those picks listed above I'd like to get Damion James. I bleed burnt orange, but I was James' trainer when he use to work out in HS and use to come to college campus to work on his game with our collegiate players when he was still in high school. He's 6'7 235lbs and will be the hardest working player that gets drafted. He rebounds well, pretty nasty midrange jumper, can also shoot 3ball when needs be, but he also plays solid D. If he's there with one of our latter picks, I vote take him.