Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[Biff Cooper]

Left-field idea: Thoughts about trading Prince and Naz for a player in the MLE range? I know we value Prince, but there's a roster crunch and he's in a strange salary range at just over $7 million.

I think that’s option #2. Option #1 would be to get that salary matching piece by breaking up DLo in trade.

I think Prince and his leadership makes him a more valuable piece to us than to other teams, which makes it hard to build a successful trade. However, several of the vet guys that Connelly probably wants to get back for Naz’ value are probably near MLE guys, who we can’t match with his tiny salary.

My hope is that Connelly finds a deal where we trade $30 mil DLo for a $20 and a $10. One of them is particularly useful to us, and the other one we attach Naz to, and trade for another useful player.

I was kind of messing around with Detroit: Bogdanovic, Noel, and Joseph for DLo and some combo of agreed upon smaller salary players (Naz, Nowell, Minott, Moore, Forbes, etc.). No clue where it would need to be value-wise. But would be $19.5 +$9.2 + $5.2 coming our way for DLo's $31.4. All 3 players could be useful for the rest of the season, or Noel flipped to a third team that would value him more.

[TimberKat]

Left-field idea: Thoughts about trading Prince and Naz for a player in the MLE range? I know we value Prince, but there's a roster crunch and he's in a strange salary range at just over $7 million.

I think that’s option #2. Option #1 would be to get that salary matching piece by breaking up DLo in trade.

I think Prince and his leadership makes him a more valuable piece to us than to other teams, which makes it hard to build a successful trade. However, several of the vet guys that Connelly probably wants to get back for Naz’ value are probably near MLE guys, who we can’t match with his tiny salary.

My hope is that Connelly finds a deal where we trade $30 mil DLo for a $20 and a $10. One of them is particularly useful to us, and the other one we attach Naz to, and trade for another useful player.

I was kind of messing around with Detroit: Bogdanovic, Noel, and Joseph for DLo and some combo of agreed upon smaller salary players (Naz, Nowell, Minott, Moore, Forbes, etc.). No clue where it would need to be value-wise. But would be $19.5 +$9.2 + $5.2 coming our way for DLo's $31.4. All 3 players could be useful for the rest of the season, or Noel flipped to a third team that would value him more.

Maybe do this deal in addition with Hyland for Reid. So Noel replace Reid, Hyland replace DLo, add a 3pt shooter. However, we are still missing a pg. I don't see Joseph as starting point and I don't think Ant is ready.

[Klomp]

Left-field idea: Thoughts about trading Prince and Naz for a player in the MLE range? I know we value Prince, but there's a roster crunch and he's in a strange salary range at just over $7 million.

I think that’s option #2. Option #1 would be to get that salary matching piece by breaking up DLo in trade.

I think Prince and his leadership makes him a more valuable piece to us than to other teams, which makes it hard to build a successful trade. However, several of the vet guys that Connelly probably wants to get back for Naz’ value are probably near MLE guys, who we can’t match with his tiny salary.

My hope is that Connelly finds a deal where we trade $30 mil DLo for a $20 and a $10. One of them is particularly useful to us, and the other one we attach Naz to, and trade for another useful player.

I think leadership is the major value for Prince here, which definitely is more valuable to us than others. However, I do think his shooting has significant value on the trade market. Honestly, I wouldn't even rule out that package potentially fetching a 1st.

I think some closet Brooklyn fans would try to argue that this is a mirage, but it's just as possible his Brooklyn shooting numbers were a mirage.

In Atlanta...a 38% shooter
In Cleveland...a 41% shooter
In Minnesota...a 39% shooter
In Brooklyn...a 34% shooter

[shrink]

Trade from Blazers Edge

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Naz Reid

Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Keon Johnson, 2024 second-round pick from Charlotte or Minnesota’s own (more favorable), 2027 second-round pick from New Orleans or Portland (less favorable)

Given how well Naz Reid has played this season, I’d be shocked if he were dealt by the trade deadline. But that also means Portland shouldn’t even hesitate if this deal was presented.

Reid, 24, is set to become a free agent this summer, and Minnesota likely won’t be able to sign him given the frontcourt logjam with Karl-Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert.

The Blazers would be giving up a lot for a player likely considered as a rental, but if the team wants to return to the playoffs, making this move would be in its best interest.

Keon Johnson was the #21 pick in 2021, but hasn’t done much in the NBA.

[Mamba4Goat]

Yeah, Keon does nothing for me but if we could get Winslow into the Vando TPE I’m all for that.

[old school 34]

Left-field idea: Thoughts about trading Prince and Naz for a player in the MLE range? I know we value Prince, but there's a roster crunch and he's in a strange salary range at just over $7 million.

I think that’s option #2. Option #1 would be to get that salary matching piece by breaking up DLo in trade.

I think Prince and his leadership makes him a more valuable piece to us than to other teams, which makes it hard to build a successful trade. However, several of the vet guys that Connelly probably wants to get back for Naz’ value are probably near MLE guys, who we can’t match with his tiny salary.

My hope is that Connelly finds a deal where we trade $30 mil DLo for a $20 and a $10. One of them is particularly useful to us, and the other one we attach Naz to, and trade for another useful player.

I think leadership is the major value for Prince here, which definitely is more valuable to us than others. However, I do think his shooting has significant value on the trade market. Honestly, I wouldn't even rule out that package potentially fetching a 1st.

I think some closet Brooklyn fans would try to argue that this is a mirage, but it's just as possible his Brooklyn shooting numbers were a mirage.

In Atlanta...a 38% shooter
In Cleveland...a 41% shooter
In Minnesota...a 39% shooter
In Brooklyn...a 34% shooter

I have started to consider the idea of moving TP as well....a couple thoughts along those lines:

1--While I definitely value his vet presence and 3-pt shooting...he might be our most valuable asset that you'd consider moving that isn't core piece?

2--Per Doogie, fwiw...guy that might have most interest and today mentioned specifically Denver being a team that's interested which makes sense from their side...complicated because Denver being at lux or just over...but might be your way to get Bones w/out draft capital being included?

3--If DLo is moved...I prefer a deal much more say towards Clips where your probably getting a 3/4 type back as part of deal that would be relatively comparable?

4--If Naz extension is real & not posturing...then he has to play some minutes at 4...not going to squeeze Slomo...TP would be the rotation guy that's squeezed.

5--If going along these lines...another Denver guy that Connelly is familiar with...that's more 2/3 type...PJ Dozier back available (Kings didn't sign him after 2nd 10-day expired)...still coming back from the ACL...but still a longer wing type that can guard a bit & switchable...a discount version of TP?

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[shangrila]

I think that’s option #2. Option #1 would be to get that salary matching piece by breaking up DLo in trade.

I think Prince and his leadership makes him a more valuable piece to us than to other teams, which makes it hard to build a successful trade. However, several of the vet guys that Connelly probably wants to get back for Naz’ value are probably near MLE guys, who we can’t match with his tiny salary.

My hope is that Connelly finds a deal where we trade $30 mil DLo for a $20 and a $10. One of them is particularly useful to us, and the other one we attach Naz to, and trade for another useful player.

I think leadership is the major value for Prince here, which definitely is more valuable to us than others. However, I do think his shooting has significant value on the trade market. Honestly, I wouldn't even rule out that package potentially fetching a 1st.

I think some closet Brooklyn fans would try to argue that this is a mirage, but it's just as possible his Brooklyn shooting numbers were a mirage.

In Atlanta...a 38% shooter
In Cleveland...a 41% shooter
In Minnesota...a 39% shooter
In Brooklyn...a 34% shooter

I have started to consider the idea of moving TP as well....a couple thoughts along those lines:

1--While I definitely value his vet presence and 3-pt shooting...he might be our most valuable asset that you'd consider moving that isn't core piece?

2--Per Doogie, fwiw...guy that might have most interest and today mentioned specifically Denver being a team that's interested which makes sense from their side...complicated because Denver being at lux or just over...but might be your way to get Bones w/out draft capital being included?

3--If DLo is moved...I prefer a deal much more say towards Clips where your probably getting a 3/4 type back as part of deal that would be relatively comparable?

4--If Naz extension is real & not posturing...then he has to play some minutes at 4...not going to squeeze Slomo...TP would be the rotation guy that's squeezed.

5--If going along these lines...another Denver guy that Connelly is familiar with...that's more 2/3 type...PJ Dozier back available (Kings didn't sign him after 2nd 10-day expired)...still coming back from the ACL...but still a longer wing type that can guard a bit & switchable...a discount version of TP?

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I'd be willing to bet an undisclosed body part that the Naz extension talk is some combination of posturing and asset retention...as in we extend him so we can trade him later.

I don't see any reasonable way to pay him what he's worth while also paying both KAT and Gobert when Naz clearly, with evidence, can't play with either of them.

[shrink]

Ok, let’s get crazy

BRK GETS: D’Angelo Russell, Naz Reid, Jaylen Nowell, Bryn Forbes, and either Knight/MacLaughlin/Rivers

MIN GETS: Joe Harris, Seth Curry, Patty Mills, Cam Thomas, DayRon Sharpe

Why for BRK? Their biggest need is a back up center, and Naz is at the top of their list. DLo can be the yin-yang to Ben Simmons, and may continue to be better with the ball out of his hands. Fans probably like getting their All Star back.

Why for MIN? Only Seth Curry is expiring, so they add team control. Harris struggled a bit to start the season, but he and Curry are two of the very best three point shooters in the league, spreading the floor for Ant and Rudy. Mills can be a pseudo-PG this year and next. Thomas and Sharpe were late 1st picks with team control to step in for Knight and Jaylen.

Why both may not do it? Mid-season players swaps are pretty disruptive for two teams competing for the playoffs.

[Nick K]

Trade from Blazers Edge

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Naz Reid

Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Keon Johnson, 2024 second-round pick from Charlotte or Minnesota’s own (more favorable), 2027 second-round pick from New Orleans or Portland (less favorable)

Given how well Naz Reid has played this season, I’d be shocked if he were dealt by the trade deadline. But that also means Portland shouldn’t even hesitate if this deal was presented.

Reid, 24, is set to become a free agent this summer, and Minnesota likely won’t be able to sign him given the frontcourt logjam with Karl-Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert.

The Blazers would be giving up a lot for a player likely considered as a rental, but if the team wants to return to the playoffs, making this move would be in its best interest.

Keon Johnson was the #21 pick in 2021, but hasn’t done much in the NBA.

Keon isn't an nba player. We can do much better. Reid is worth something so if we move him we had better get a decent reserve player back.

We could really use a Bones Hylund type. I don't think Denver is looking at Reid even though he'd be a good fit there. That trade would be good for both teams.

I think I heard Hylund removed all social media references to Denver. So it looks like he'll be moved.

[shrink]

Trade from Blazers Edge

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Naz Reid

Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Keon Johnson, 2024 second-round pick from Charlotte or Minnesota’s own (more favorable), 2027 second-round pick from New Orleans or Portland (less favorable)

… The Blazers would be giving up a lot for a player likely considered as a rental, but if the team wants to return to the playoffs, making this move would be in its best interest.

Keon Johnson was the #21 pick in 2021, but hasn’t done much in the NBA.

Keon isn't an nba player. We can do much better. Reid is worth something so if we move him we had better get a decent reserve player back.

Yeah, I had to look Keon up, so I included where he was drafted. Next year’s CHA pick is the prize, and Keon +the 2027 2nd is just additional value.

[old school 34]

I think leadership is the major value for Prince here, which definitely is more valuable to us than others. However, I do think his shooting has significant value on the trade market. Honestly, I wouldn't even rule out that package potentially fetching a 1st.

I think some closet Brooklyn fans would try to argue that this is a mirage, but it's just as possible his Brooklyn shooting numbers were a mirage.

In Atlanta...a 38% shooter
In Cleveland...a 41% shooter
In Minnesota...a 39% shooter
In Brooklyn...a 34% shooter

I have started to consider the idea of moving TP as well....a couple thoughts along those lines:

1--While I definitely value his vet presence and 3-pt shooting...he might be our most valuable asset that you'd consider moving that isn't core piece?

2--Per Doogie, fwiw...guy that might have most interest and today mentioned specifically Denver being a team that's interested which makes sense from their side...complicated because Denver being at lux or just over...but might be your way to get Bones w/out draft capital being included?

3--If DLo is moved...I prefer a deal much more say towards Clips where your probably getting a 3/4 type back as part of deal that would be relatively comparable?

4--If Naz extension is real & not posturing...then he has to play some minutes at 4...not going to squeeze Slomo...TP would be the rotation guy that's squeezed.

5--If going along these lines...another Denver guy that Connelly is familiar with...that's more 2/3 type...PJ Dozier back available (Kings didn't sign him after 2nd 10-day expired)...still coming back from the ACL...but still a longer wing type that can guard a bit & switchable...a discount version of TP?

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I'd be willing to bet an undisclosed body part that the Naz extension talk is some combination of posturing and asset retention...as in we extend him so we can trade him later.

I don't see any reasonable way to pay him what he's worth while also paying both KAT and Gobert when Naz clearly, with evidence, can't play with either of them.

If I bet...yeah, I'd lean posturing for better trade return. But even if you're going to extend him just to trade him later...going to have to keep him in rotation after KAT is back to keep trade value otherwise again what's the point? So if TP isn't long term here after his deal & he has significantly more trade value...it's a way to get something significant back now while creating that rotation spot for Naz albeit more @ the 4...but still minutes nonetheless?

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[BlacJacMac]

I don't see any reasonable way to pay him what he's worth while also paying both KAT and Gobert when Naz clearly, with evidence, can't play with either of them.

He barely even plays with KAT out. Minutes played his last 6 games:

15, 9, 13, 16, 13, 15

[Danimals]

I’d make Jevon Carter my top target in a Naz trade. He’s a beast defensively and shoots the 3 well enough to keep defenses honest.

[slick21]

I’d make Jevon Carter my top target in a Naz trade. He’s a beast defensively and shoots the 3 well enough to keep defenses honest.

He's a good player to target, but not sure MIL would want to give him up. Are they going to roll with George Hill as their only back-up PG?

[Danimals]

I’d make Jevon Carter my top target in a Naz trade. He’s a beast defensively and shoots the 3 well enough to keep defenses honest.

He's a good player to target, but not sure MIL would want to give him up. Are they going to roll with George Hill as their only back-up PG?

I was on the Bucks board and they seemed really open to moving him. The only concern was if they moved Hill in a deal for Crowder. They even liked Reid quite a bit.

[Nick K]

Trade from Blazers Edge



Keon Johnson was the #21 pick in 2021, but hasn’t done much in the NBA.

Keon isn't an nba player. We can do much better. Reid is worth something so if we move him we had better get a decent reserve player back.

Yeah, I had to look Keon up, so I included where he was drafted. Next year’s CHA pick is the prize, and Keon +the 2027 2nd is just additional value.

These trade speculations are pretty much sheer folly. As fans we've got nothing better to do. Something will probably happen but it will be something nobody saw coming.

That said, I really hope we do something. We need to shake things up. But not too much.

[Nick K]

I’d make Jevon Carter my top target in a Naz trade. He’s a beast defensively and shoots the 3 well enough to keep defenses honest.

I like that call but I don't know if he's enough to get back for Reid.

Can he drive to the basket and finish? That would go a long way for me.

[moss_is_1]

I’d make Jevon Carter my top target in a Naz trade. He’s a beast defensively and shoots the 3 well enough to keep defenses honest.

I like that call but I don't know if he's enough to get back for Reid.

Can he drive to the basket and finish? That would go a long way for me.

I'd say he's not a good finisher, but he's an elite level defender and solid 3 point shooter. Better version of Rivers.

[Danimals]

I’d make Jevon Carter my top target in a Naz trade. He’s a beast defensively and shoots the 3 well enough to keep defenses honest.

I like that call but I don't know if he's enough to get back for Reid.

Can he drive to the basket and finish? That would go a long way for me.

I'd say he's not a good finisher, but he's an elite level defender and solid 3 point shooter. Better version of Rivers.

Definitely a real 3&D guy who defends both on and off the ball. He’d look good next to Ant or Dlo even.

Another guy I love is De’Anthony Melton, but I think he’s much harder to get.

And if we’re trading with the Nuggets, I’d target Bruce Brown. I’m not interested in Bones.

[minimus]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10063752-nba-trade-rumors-knicks-prepared-to-offer-3-1st-round-picks-for-raptors-og-anunoby

If the Toronto Raptors decide to move OG Anunoby before the Feb. 9 trade deadline, the New York Knicks are expected to make a significant offer for the 25-year-old.

Per Michael Grange of SportsNet, the Knicks are "widely believed" to be preparing an offer of three first-round draft picks for Anunoby.

If TOR decides to blow up, I'd try to get Achuiwa. Will Naz Reid + Nowell be a fair offer?